How does leather grip or synthetic grip affect the use of open pattern frame?Will never understand how can you play with an open pattern spin oriented frame and leather grip...!!!
Prince Textreme Tour 100 (310) Thread
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edelp
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Will never understand how can you play with an open pattern spin oriented frame and leather grip...!!!
Jeje, why???
liftordie
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liftordie
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Roland G
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You should tell Fed, Novak, Stan etc etc they've been doing it all wrong...For me, leather grip = flat and volley player!
Edberg style!!!
Roland G
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Leather grip = a few more grams in the handle, a firmer feel, more defined bevels... I'm confused too???
2nd Serve Ace
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I've preferred ports on stiffer frames (68 ra +). That way they perform the way I like but aren't too mushy.
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to me excellent blend of the feel is one of the highlights of the stick... (along with all the other things that it is able to blend so well).... feel is not too stiff, not too mushy.. perfect connected crisp feeling.. no interest in O3 from me..
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markwillplay
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I hit some serves with my buddy's vcore pro 33 and there is no doubt that that frame gives me more easy power on serve than my tours. That frame does not feel stiff at all to me either and I like the thin beam. I am looking forward to demoing that stick (310 verson) and the prince tt310 side by side. I want to compare the string spacing all with the tt100p (2015) that I have here. That frame was not a string eater at all. I get more spin with my tour 18 20's than I did with the tt100p. I do think that the ports contribute a bit to spin. One thing I liked about the tt100p was that I did not need to use a dampener with it. I don't use one with my tours anymore either. I am a fan of the more dampened sticks these days even if I am 49. If one of these demos jives with my serve and feels good I may actually switch. I serve and volley so I would lead either of them up a bit I suspect. 1hbh does not love the thicker beams but that is an adjustment I would be willing to make for more free points.
LeftyJunk
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Matched! Here are the UNSTRUNG specs from TW...
Weight: 10.8 oz
Swingweight: 287
Balance: 9 points HL
Flexibility: 63
I now have them both strung at 51lbs. One with Ytex's Hexagon-X red and the other with Ytex Square-X black.
Weight: 10.8 oz
Swingweight: 287
Balance: 9 points HL
Flexibility: 63
I now have them both strung at 51lbs. One with Ytex's Hexagon-X red and the other with Ytex Square-X black.
danbrenner
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They’re beautiful
danbrenner
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Funny. I have the 2012 blde as well.
LeftyJunk
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I'm just stringing them up for a buddy who has been out of the game for a while.
GrandSlam45
Rookie
What's the best string set up for this racquet? I tried a soft poly @ 48lbs but it seems too powerful. Would a hybrid at higher tension be a better way to go?
Which poly? I am guessing something like rs lyon or tour sniper or YPTP should be ok.. I am playing with full bed grapplesnake alpha and it's borderline controlled power.. to me perfect combo.. will try tour sniper next.. also will try rs lyon.. at this point I have a setup that works great without destroying my arm... that's all I wanted...I tried xperience before.. it was way too much power
danbrenner
Legend
This pattern is nice and open. So I would suggest a super firm round poly. I put tec ice 16 in one of mine. I’ll try it out this week. Another string I think would be great is bbo.
danbrenner
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I’ll put hyper g against the form round poly this week and report back.
GrandSlam45
Rookie
I'm using Kirschbaum Pro Line Evolution 17. 48lbs seems arm friendly so far, but I'm spraying a lot of balls long so need to reign it in a bit.
danbrenner
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Let’s not forget Ferrer was the most consistent player in the world for many years using an open prince 16x18. His string of choice was BBO @50.
markwillplay
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I noticed that even with full multi head velocity, the tt100p did not like tensions much above 50. Not sure why but this was a definite. I don’t know why. I NEVER had an issue of balls flying on me with full vel at 52. Have any of you compared the string pattern on the 310 to the 100p?
One thing I noticed on TW is that the sweet spot on the 310 is almost identical to the sweet spot in my tour 100s. Little larger than the 100p or Yonex vcore 310.
Also, I am sure it is talked about in the many pages of this thread, but can someone give me a direct comparison between the vcore pro and the tt310? My demos did not come today so I would love to hear what you think.
One thing I noticed on TW is that the sweet spot on the 310 is almost identical to the sweet spot in my tour 100s. Little larger than the 100p or Yonex vcore 310.
Also, I am sure it is talked about in the many pages of this thread, but can someone give me a direct comparison between the vcore pro and the tt310? My demos did not come today so I would love to hear what you think.
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/vcore-pro-97-310-vs-prince-tour-100-310.636852/
I used both sticks... I agree with Sean...in my opinion
Power: tt100
Directional control: vcp97
Depth control: more spin with tt100
Comfort: tt100
Feel: string plays quite a bit of role in this and this is very much preference.. I prefer tt100 bc it feels crisper to me. Vcp has tiny bit of buzz/vibration.. similar to pp100p.
Stability: tt100 solid/stable as a tank for 310gr racquet so tt100 more stable
Manuevaribility: vcp97
I used both sticks... I agree with Sean...in my opinion
Power: tt100
Directional control: vcp97
Depth control: more spin with tt100
Comfort: tt100
Feel: string plays quite a bit of role in this and this is very much preference.. I prefer tt100 bc it feels crisper to me. Vcp has tiny bit of buzz/vibration.. similar to pp100p.
Stability: tt100 solid/stable as a tank for 310gr racquet so tt100 more stable
Manuevaribility: vcp97
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I had a similar problem and tried a few strings including AluPower Soft, RPM Rough, ProLine Evolution, HyperG, Cyclone and recently SignumPro X-Perience.
My 2 favourites by a mile are ProLine Evo & X-Perience but you need to string tighter than usual, which I reluctant to do due to a long history of tennis elbow.
Don't ask me why, but I have zero problems with TE with this racket. I'm using polys that I would have never dared to use and at higher tensions also.
My gut was telling me about 48lbs and I'm up around 53 for both strings and loving it.
If I had to choose only 1, it would be X-Perience by a whisker.
soulfree914
Rookie
I had a very similar experience as well, and can second the part where you said "Don't ask me why, but I have zero problems with TE with this racket. I'm using polys that I would have never dared to use and at higher tensions also."
Out of curiosity, how did X-Perience compare to Hyper G? Also, can you elaborate on Pro Line Evo vs. X-Perience?
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X-Perience has a touch more power than HyperG, Spin equal and better comfort. If you get the tension right, it has a really nice crisp feel to it but never harsh. Both hold tension fairly well for polys, with X-Perience being slightly better according to my RacquetTune measurements. I try not to get too caught up in the hype but after several recommendations for X-Perience, I thought I would give it a try. I'm very impressed with it, have ordered 6 more sets and plan to purchase a reel of it. I strung 16G mains and 17G crosses on both my TT100 310 and TT100P.
X-Perience is a shaped poly vs Evo which is round. Evo is hands down the best of approximately 30 round polys that I have tried. I purchased a reel of it about 18 months ago and strung it way too tight in my DR98 and didn't use it again until recently in my TT100 and loved it.
It is soft but lively (not at all mushy), holds tension and playability exceptionally well after the initial tension drop that all polys have after stringing. I'm stringing it at 55.5 on my drop weight machine with floating clamps - it feels like about 53 on an electronic machine with fixed clamps.
Evo vs X-Perience: Evo has more power and is very plush, but has a lively feel to it. As mentioned earlier, both are fairly lively and comfortable (don't be fooled by the stiffness rating of X-Perience (around 220), it is much more comfortable than I imagined). X-Perience has a touch more spin (but Evo has the most spin of the round polys that I have tried), X-Perience is crisper and has a bit more control.
Occasionally when I hit a serve with good form (particularly hitting Up & Out) I get unbelievable spin from Evo and the ball just jumps off the court a foot or two higher than expected. This has only happened a few times and helps me understand how the pros get such good spin with round polys...of course they can do it on demand whereas I'm more like once each leap-year.
In summary - I prefer XP over HyperG in pretty much every area...just string it a few pounds tighter.
Evo is an amazing round poly in every respect, but it is powerful so go up 3-4 pounds over a normal poly.
Do yourself a favour and buy some XP and see what you think.
When my new batch of XP arrives, I'll be trying XP 16G mains with Evo 16L crosses - I've got a good feeling about that combo.
LeftyJunk
Rookie
A fellow lefty! Sounded like your hitting partner was killing a goat...
ludde
Rookie
Agree, stability is okay, but I do not like the muted feeling. It plays more like a Phantom Pro 100 2.0 with more power and stability, fast maneuverability, nice sound by contact (ports) but overall no WoW Effect.
2nd Serve Ace
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2nd Serve Ace
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I tried it at 3/9 and saw no benefit, just extra drag.
A smidge @ 12 did seem to offer a bit more plow, though.
TimeToPlaySets
Legend
That opponent is a heavy hitter. My timing is totally thrown off, so this does not represent my typical rally ball
not surprised... for me last thing this stick needs is more stability... it's twistweight is quite high already... 15.3... if anything it could use more maneuverability.. you may want to test out more Head light setups. Honestly, for me stock is probably the best setup for this one...
Try to use more than your arm. Tension won’t fix that. Learning to use your core will
TimeToPlaySets
Legend
Not sure who you're talking to, but I don't arm the ball.
Clear and obvious unit turn
Clear and obvious unit turn
Lol ok. Even though your hips don’t move and it’s a complete arm movement in about every shot. It’s not bad for a 3.0. Good job. The leg kick on the back hand could be cleaned up and land forward but you are rallying I guess not trying to hit a winner...
TimeToPlaySets
Legend
Shoulders almost a 180* rotation.
TTW: "You're arming the ball!!"
Dude does not even know what arming the ball means.
TTW: "You're arming the ball!!"
Dude does not even know what arming the ball means.
Where? You barely moved yours shoulders till your arm came around and never once turned your hips with you back foot coming around after contact and landing square and seeing you are offended your back leg kick up on the two hand.... well that’s new.
And by come around I mean the ball was coming back before your shoulder moved. Try getting the racquet back as soon as you can tell if it’s FH or BH rotate the core which should bring the back foot up as you rotate.
End of the day just getting It back is better than most so good on you.
Lol I know he’s a 4.5. What do I know
TimeToPlaySets
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The technique has tons of room for improvement, no denying that.
But "arming the ball" is laughable.
But "arming the ball" is laughable.
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TimeToPlaySets
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Totally arming the ball with almost 180* shoulder rotation
Love this forum.
Love this forum.
danbrenner
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NO NEED TO GET PERSONAL HERE BOYS. I DONT BELIEVE ANY OF US WILL BE ENTERING ANY ATP EVENT AS PLAYERS ANY TIME SOON
Another shattered dream.
most importantly @TimeToPlaySets what do you think of the frame?
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Hahaha.. yes agreed. Pretty badass outfit..
Though it's the damn racquet thread after all..
