Pros can play 5.0?

[MarinaHighTennis]

Just played the Michael Chang 5.0 mixed doubles vs a 5.0/wta 600 combo (my team = me4.5/girl5.0). The girl was super good (better than the guy) and after the match we learned she's ranked top 600 wta. What would the ntrp be for a wta player generally?

Super fun match but lost 4-6, 6-2, 18-20 had like 12 match points but luck wasn't in our side

 

[Moveforwardalways]

Yes they can play 5.0 in certain circumstances, or at least in so called “4.5+” leagues (I suppose technically a tour player is 4.5+). However, I have never heard of a currently active tour player playing in an NTRP event. From what I’ve seen though, a 600 ranked WTA player may indeed be at the level of a 5.0 male in some circumstances. It just depends. I would be thankful for the opportunity of getting to hit with a tour level player.

 

[Deleted member 23235]

wow that would be fun!
there’s not a lot of vetting going on in tourneys imo.
it’s not like usta is a central rating system that connects to wta and atp rankings.
utr on the other hand...

 

[5sets]

6.0

Anything less will be looking for a new career pretty soon

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[MarinaHighTennis]

Yeah it was a lot of fun! It was just a shock as a 4.5 to come into a 5.0 and I was holy snap she's hella good bc my girl wasn't that level and she was the best player on the court. Had about 10 match pts but wta came rlly clutch and luck wasnt in our favor

 

[Moveforwardalways]

But what everyone on this board really wants to know is...

Did she have a WTA or ATP forehand?

 

[BounceHitBounceHit]

But what everyone on this board really wants to know is...

Did she have a WTA or ATP forehand?

No, sorry. What everyone wants to know is can she beat LeeD or Suresh!!!


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[mmk]

6.0

Anything less will be looking for a new career pretty soon

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Any player ranked in the 600s needs another career - as an example, the #600 player as of today is 24 and has made $47K in her career, <$6K ytd. Take out coaching, travel costs, stringing, etc, she has likely spent more than she's made.

 

[5sets]

Any player ranked in the 600s needs another career - as an example, the #600 player as of today is 24 and has made $47K in her career, <$6K ytd. Take out coaching, travel costs, stringing, etc, she has likely spent more than she's made.

Exactly.

Shared hotel rooms, long days on the road traveling, no cushy endorsments...

Lot of time waiting for that one break. That one good match.

Touring players don't even use NTRP. It was designed for us rec and league players. As it increases the differences are harder to tell. Top guys like Rafa and Fed are probably 6.832 and lower guys like Mannorino and Chung like 6.431 but I doubt they are running to look up Tennis Record or emailing Schmke for a report after every match [emoji6]

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[Moveforwardalways]

I heard Andy Murray was not really hurt but rather throwing matches so he could get bumped down and play 7.0 mixed to meet hot women.

 

[J_R_B]

I heard Andy Murray was not really hurt but rather throwing matches so he could get bumped down and play 7.0 mixed to meet hot women.

Tell him to move to Houston and contact Jason Freeman. It's not impossible.

 

[S&V-not_dead_yet]

...but I doubt they are running to look up Tennis Record or emailing Schmke for a report after every match.

I'll concede the TR part but I bet some of them secretly consult @schmke to scout their opponents.

 

[schmke]

I'll concede the TR part but I bet some of them secretly consult @schmke to scout their opponents.

Hey now, I have calculated my ratings from ATP and WTA players. Google "schmidt computer ratings atp" and you should find what I wrote on the subject.

 

[J011yroger]

I heard Andy Murray was not really hurt but rather throwing matches so he could get bumped down and play 7.0 mixed to meet hot women.

Better get his teeth fixed first!

J

 

[mmk]

Better get his teeth fixed first!

J

Or he could just wear a kilt while playing

 

[Moveforwardalways]

Better get his teeth fixed first!

J

Savage

 

[ShaunS]

For what it's worth, the USTA has defined this situation. She technically should be 7.0 if ranked in the top 1000.

https://www.usta.com/content/dam/usta/pdfs/10013_experience_player_ntrp_guidelines.pdf

 

[MarinaHighTennis]

But what everyone on this board really wants to know is...

Did she have a WTA or ATP forehand?

wta but it did have a lot of topspin

 

[SavvyStringer]

Just played the Michael Chang 5.0 mixed doubles vs a 5.0/wta 600 combo (my team = me4.5/girl5.0). The girl was super good (better than the guy) and after the match we learned she's ranked top 600 wta. What would the ntrp be for a wta player generally?

Super fun match but lost 4-6, 6-2, 18-20 had like 12 match points but luck wasn't in our side

She would be a 5.5 at minimum and at 600ish WTA she should be a 6.0. One of my college guys picked up 1 ATP point a couple years ago and got bumped from 5.0 to 6.0 over night and had to default the matches he had already played in 5.0. That was at a ranking of like 1400 ATP with 1 point.

 

[Nostradamus]

Just played the Michael Chang 5.0 mixed doubles vs a 5.0/wta 600 combo (my team = me4.5/girl5.0). The girl was super good (better than the guy) and after the match we learned she's ranked top 600 wta. What would the ntrp be for a wta player generally?

Super fun match but lost 4-6, 6-2, 18-20 had like 12 match points but luck wasn't in our side

I thought michal Chang was still like 8.0 level. how did you take him and WTA player to 3rd set ?

 

[sureshs]

I thought michal Chang was still like 8.0 level. how did you take him and WTA player to 3rd set ?

C'mon Nosty you are better than that.

He is talking about the Michael Chang Tennis Classic tournament, not playing against Chang. You should note the "the" in the sentence.

Though Chang/Chang did win the Mixed 5.0 - I assume that was Michael and Amber. But OP played against someone else. The woman was actually from India: Parija Maloo.

https://www.itftennis.com/procircuit/players/player/profile.aspx?playerid=100050315

But her rankings are not recent.

Career High Singles Ranking 616 (17/11/2008)
Current Doubles Ranking
Career High Doubles Ranking 538 (18/05/2009)

Also it is ITF ranking which is for juniors, not WTA

PS: I think Chang/Chang was not Michael Chang

 

[PrinceMoron]

I thought michal Chang was still like 8.0 level. how did you take him and WTA player to 3rd set ?

He is using an APD so has gone to ****


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[sureshs]

He is using an APD so has gone to ****


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No dude he won:

NTRP Men's 5.5 Singles
F (2) Michael Chang d. Kevin Springer 2-6; 6-3; 6-4

 

[PrinceMoron]

No dude he won:

NTRP Men's 5.5 Singles
F (2) Michael Chang d. Kevin Springer 2-6; 6-3; 6-4

Sadly gone to the dark side

 

[J_R_B]

C'mon Nosty you are better than that.

He is talking about the Michael Chang Tennis Classic tournament, not playing against Chang. You should note the "the" in the sentence.

Though Chang/Chang did win the Mixed 5.0 - I assume that was Michael and Amber. But OP played against someone else. The woman was actually from India: Parija Maloo.

https://www.itftennis.com/procircuit/players/player/profile.aspx?playerid=100050315

But her rankings are not recent.

Career High Singles Ranking 616 (17/11/2008)
Current Doubles Ranking
Career High Doubles Ranking 538 (18/05/2009)

Also it is ITF ranking which is for juniors, not WTA

PS: I think Chang/Chang was not Michael Chang

Ok, so this is much better information. She's not currently ranked, which would be an automatic 7.0. She's in the "ranked outside the top 400 more than 5 years ago" category:

https://www.usta.com/content/dam/usta/pdfs/10013_experience_player_ntrp_guidelines.pdf

For this, given age 29, the guideline is still 6.0, but if they considered the draw a 10.0 instead of a 5.0, then her partner is 4.5, so she'd really only need to be 5.5, not 5.0, to enter with him. Based on that, I suppose it's feasible they made an exception. It's not like they dominated the tournament, they lost in the semis.

The Changs that won were Carl & Katie. Carl Chang is likely Michael's brother. It would be cool if Katie Chang was the (unrelated) actress, but I've never heard her associated with high level tennis.

 

[J_R_B]

Actually, Katie Chang would have to be Carl's daughter (Michael's neice):

http://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/wten/2017-18/bios/Chang?view=bio

She looks frighteningly like Michael and Carl.

 

[navigator]

No dude he won:

NTRP Men's 5.5 Singles
F (2) Michael Chang d. Kevin Springer 2-6; 6-3; 6-4

Different Michael Chang, actually (and no relation). This Michael Chang is a doctor up in the LA area. Same name (obviously), right around the same age, and a very strong player... but not THE Michael Chang.

 

[navigator]

For this, given age 29, the guideline is still 6.0, but if they considered the draw a 10.0 instead of a 5.0, then her partner is 4.5, so she'd really only need to be 5.5, not 5.0, to enter with him. Based on that, I suppose it's feasible they made an exception. It's not like they dominated the tournament, they lost in the semis.

The Changs that won were Carl & Katie. Carl Chang is likely Michael's brother. It would be cool if Katie Chang was the (unrelated) actress, but I've never heard her associated with high level tennis.

Agreed, I see no issue here. I play with a woman who was around WTA 500 three years ago and she would be a 5.0/5.5 on the Female scale today, so your comments seem about right.

 

[sureshs]

Different Michael Chang, actually (and no relation). This Michael Chang is a doctor up in the LA area. Same name (obviously), right around the same age, and a very strong player... but not THE Michael Chang.

Oh man so many Changs in the Michael Chang classic

 

[PrinceMoron]

Oh man so many Changs in the Michael Chang classic

A Chang Gang

I have played Roscoe Tanner, Tracy Austin, Michael Stich, even a whole bunch of Sergio Tacchinis.... no similarity other than the names

Could be a Facebook project, find players who share a famous name and play them


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[J_R_B]

A Chang Gang

I have played Roscoe Tanner, Tracy Austin, Michael Stich, even a whole bunch of Sergio Tacchinis.... no similarity other than the names

Could be a Facebook project, find players who share a famous name and play them


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I won't out him, but there was a poster who used to post here all the time a couple years ago who shared a name with an NBA hall-of-fame player. He was/is a 4.0 league player.

 

[S&V-not_dead_yet]

Sadly gone to the dark side

Why is Reebok the dark side?

 

[jhick]

A couple of years ago my sister's (both 4.5 level former D3 players) played in a small money tournament (open) against a girl who's around 500 in the world and has been ranked as high as 150 in doubles. The said WTA player's partner was a state HS champ who was 7 or 8 position at the U of Minnesota a few years prior. My sisters ended up losing the match 6-1, 6-3 I think. They told me after the match that the WTA player didn't miss a shot the entire first set.

 

[jhick]

A couple of years ago my sisters (both 4.5 level former D3 players) played in a small money tournament (open) against a girl who's around 500 in the world and has been ranked as high as 150 in doubles. The said WTA player's partner was a state HS champ who was 7 or 8 position at the U of Minnesota a few years prior. My sisters ended up losing the match 6-1, 6-3 I think. They told me after the match that the WTA player didn't miss a shot the entire first set.

 

[sureshs]

A Chang Gang

I have played Roscoe Tanner, Tracy Austin, Michael Stich, even a whole bunch of Sergio Tacchinis.... no similarity other than the names

Could be a Facebook project, find players who share a famous name and play them


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The closest I have come is seeing an ad somewhere, maybe a tennis group, by a visitor from South America called Nadal who was looking for a tennis partner

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[BounceHitBounceHit]

What would you rank the former #1 player for a women’s team that won both the SEC and D1 national title during her tenure (now two years out of college and off the tour)??


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[J011yroger]

What would you rank the former #1 player for a women’s team that won both the SEC and D1 national title during her tenure (now two years out of college and off the tour)??


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6.0.

J

 

[J_R_B]

What would you rank the former #1 player for a women’s team that won both the SEC and D1 national title during her tenure (now two years out of college and off the tour)??


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Did she try playing ITF tournaments at all or not?

 

[BounceHitBounceHit]

Yes and did well. Got injured and decided to focus on professional school. Healthy now. [emoji41]


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[Moveforwardalways]

Yes and did well. Got injured and decided to focus on professional school. Healthy now. [emoji41]


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Sounds like she is still secretly injured and deserves a 4.5 rating. Would fit in nicely on my 9.0 mixed team.

 

[BounceHitBounceHit]

Sounds like she is still secretly injured and deserves a 4.5 rating. Would fit in nicely on my 9.0 mixed team.

I like her chances in a two on one situation there!


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