Pushers lose when they make unforced errors

[slicefox]

Part of pushing is to not make unforced errors. When a pusher has a bad day and makes unforced errors, and the opponent in his turn makes few UEs, the pusher loses because he can't hit any winners.

That's what happened today. GG

 

[Breaker]

What a concept.

 

[TennisandMusic]

Hmm..partially true but...

"Part of winning is to not make unforced errors. When a shotmaker has a bad day and makes unforced errors, and the opponent in his(sic) turn makes few UE's, the shotmaker loses because he can't hit any winners."

That's what happens all the time.

 

[dwhiteside]

Mind=Blown

 

[batz]

Wow - what a revelation. Thanks for that dude.

Do you have any news on what religion the pope is? I've also been wondering where bears defecate - you heard anything on that one?

 

[slicefox]

I've also been wondering where bears defecate - you heard anything on that one?

Yes.

They do it in your mouth.

 

[Nadalator]

So Federer loses when he makes unforced errors

 

[batz]

Yes.

They do it in your mouth.

What a comeback dude. You really owned me there.

 

[slicefox]

What a comeback dude. You really owned me there.

Natural reflex sir. No personal offense.

And yes, Fed loses when he makes unforced errors, he rarely gets outplayed.

 

[TennisandMusic]

Natural reflex sir. No personal offense.

And yes, Fed loses when he makes unforced errors, he rarely gets outplayed.

Yes the best players tend to lose when they aren't playing their best. A "best player" playing their best tends to win.

"Truly you have a dizzying intellect." (That ain't a personal shot, it just came to mind. Quick, name that movie!)

 

[slicefox]

Federer won a lot of matches where he commited many unforced errors.

The difference is that PUSHERS cannot win matches unless they make less than 3 UEs per set. That is because PUSHERS PUSH AND DONT GO FOR WINNERS.

 

[Max G.]

Part of playing tennis is not making UEs. Regardless of style.

Making more UEs than the opponent is the same thing as being outplayed - it's just less flashy.

 

[slicefox]

no,

outplayed is when you pull off sick shots, and you show genius on the court.

grinding and winning off an opponent's error is not called out-played.

 

[raiden031]

I think its more accurate to say a pusher lets the opponent decide who wins the match. If the opponent plays well and limits their UEs, then the pusher's lack of pressure will make it hard to win the match.

 

[slicefox]

and today federer decided he will win.

 

[DarthMaul]

So Federer loses when he makes unforced errors

Hey Mungo. How are you?

 

[sh@de]

Doesn't everybody lose when they make too many unforced errors... check Verdasco and Fed out in their matches against Nadal during AO 09...

 

[slicefox]

"too many unforced errors" is different than "too many for a pusher".

a pusher will lose if he makes 10 UEs per set

an agressive player (like fed) can win with 25 UEs.

 

[sh@de]

Yeah but if an aggressive player (like Fed) makes more UEs than usual e.g. 35 then he'll lose too. It's all relative...

 

[mandy01]

Yeah but if an aggressive player (like Fed) makes more UEs than usual e.g. 35 then he'll lose too. It's all relative...

Not really.Not always.Most of the times Fed backs them up with an equal or more number of winners.
For Fed ,its his serve ( both first and second) that is crucial unlike for Nadal who thrives on getting his opponents to make mistakes.

 

[backhand winner]

Yep Fed wasn't making unforced errors today. Thus he won.

 

[Mick]

a 'real' pusher would let his opponent beat himself, he doesn't beat himself.

 

[sh@de]

Not really.Not always.Most of the times Fed backs them up with an equal or more number of winners.
For Fed ,its his serve ( both first and second) that is crucial unlike for Nadal who thrives on getting his opponents to make mistakes.

What I'm trying to say is this: Say as an example, Murray (supposedly a pusher, but I don't believe it) makes an average of 10 UE's per match. If he makes 20 in a match all of a sudden, he'll likely lose. Fed on the other hand makes 20 UE's every match anyway, but he backs them up with winners, hence he wins. My point is though, that if Fed makes 30 (i.e. his UE number goes up by 10, the same as Murray's) then he is equally likely to lose his match that day. So the concept of pusher's making more UE's means he'll lose the match is kinda... stupid, because even if an aggressive player makes more UE's, he'll lose too.

 

[mandy01]

What I'm trying to say is this: Say as an example, Murray (supposedly a pusher, but I don't believe it) makes an average of 10 UE's per match. If he makes 20 in a match all of a sudden, he'll likely lose. Fed on the other hand makes 20 UE's every match anyway, but he backs them up with winners, hence he wins. My point is though, that if Fed makes 30 (i.e. his UE number goes up by 10, the same as Murray's) then he is equally likely to lose his match that day. So the concept of pusher's making more UE's means he'll lose the match is kinda... stupid, because even if an aggressive player makes more UE's, he'll lose too.

The title of this thread should be "Pusher's lose when their opponents dont make too many unforced errors" which is kinda true for the typical pushers ,not necessarily Nadal considering how much he's improved.But like I said he is still prone to reverting to that side when under pressure.

 

[Deleted member 21996]

i also heard the earth revolves around the sun and it's shape is actually round and not flat... is this true? are we doomed?

 

[nfor304]

insightful....

 

[Hot Sauce]

What a concept.

Mind=Blown

Wow - what a revelation. Thanks for that dude.

Do you have any news on what religion the pope is? I've also been wondering where bears defecate - you heard anything on that one?

i also heard the earth revolves around the sun and it's shape is actually round and not flat... is this true? are we doomed?

insightful....

These.......

 

[Blade0324]

no,

outplayed is when you pull off sick shots, and you show genius on the court.

grinding and winning off an opponent's error is not called out-played.

I completely disagree. If you make fewer errors on the court then you outplayed your oponent. Period.

 

[mordecai]

Generally you win a tennis match when you win the last point.

 

[boojay]

Generally you win a tennis match when you win the last point.

Unless you run head first into one of the side poles while chasing after a shot. Hey, at least you won the last point (ever).

 

[SerbWhoLovesDelPo]

"Part of pushing is to not make unforced errors. When a pusher has a bad day and makes unforced errors, and the opponent in his turn makes few UEs, the pusher loses because he can't hit any winners.

That's what happened today. GG"

No way, man. It thought the pushers lose because they spray the balls all over the place.

 

[okdude1992]

Unless you run head first into one of the side poles while chasing after a shot. Hey, at least you won the last point (ever).

hahaha thats f*cked up man. imagine if that actually happened:twisted:

 

[nevisben]

As this board is about pro players and no pro players are pushers this thread is a fail

 

[slicefox]

As this board is about pro players and no pro players are pushers this thread is a fail

roflmfao!!!!