Question on Stringing Natural Gut

shake&bake

Rookie
Hey guys, I'm stringing a few racquets for a new client this week, and he wants Babolat VS Natural Gut in it. I have a crank machine, and I have never strung gut before.I am going to ask my client if he wants it pre-stretched or not. If he wants it pre-stretched, should I do it the old fashioned way on a pole, or would pulling tension twice do the same thing? Also any other tips that I should know when stringing gut? Thanks.
 

dancraig

Hall of Fame
Take your time. Watch out for kinks, fix them before pulling against them.
Don't pull too hard when tying knots, it can snap.
He probably won't want pre-stretch.

I think your Comet 11 is a great choice. I really like the single action mounting arms. One of the best stringer values around.
 

jim e

Legend
You do need to take extra precautions, one of the biggest is to avoid kinks in the string(I usually do a light manual prestretch of the gut to eliminate coil memory, it makes life easier and less chance of a kink). The prestretch, I clamp one end to machine (heavy machine) , and walk back to end, wrap the string around my hand and give it a pull back and you will feel the gut give in slightly, to help with the coil memory.With gut I normally string it as a 2 piece job, as there is less handeling of the string that way, but thats an individule preference.I always string the crosses top down as well even if the racquet you have allows bottom up,as the gut gets handled less on the top and thats where most of the hitting is. And the knots, be sure to hand pull only! Others here will tell you it is okay to pull with pliers or starting clamp, and that is fine but once every so often gut will get ruined by doing this as it can snap, and tying a good cinched up knot is possible using your fingers only, as there is no reason to over pull the knot as it will cinch up only so much, the rest puts extra stress on the string, I use the so called Parnell knot, as that cinches up nicely with your fingers.
The last couple cross strings you have to be very careful with as the string can unravel if it is overhandled, and if you do that, you will see it untwist, you would then need to retwist the string. This does not happen that much as it once did in the past, as todays guts have a coating to protect it so its less of an issue now,but can still happen so on the last couple crosses sometimes you need to pull the string all the way through each weave like you were sewing to keep the string from untwisting on the last cross string
You can also push or pull a loop on last 2 cross strings as less twisting of string that way.
Just be careful and you will be okay, just don't be rough with it , take your time and it will go well with no problems.If you rush, and pull hard when it kinks, and you can ruin an expensive piece of string, so take your time and go for it.

Oh, one more thing, if your machine has a diablo(nosecone), its best to use it, as it puts less stress on the string, as the tension jaws don't have to apply as much tension to hold the string, and the string will enter the tension clamp at the same angle. Also, if you have to pull a string twice for any reason, I will then wrap the gut two times around the diablo the second time as that way the tension clamp will be at a different spot on the string, so less wear is placed in one spot.
 
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Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
+1 for 'jim e's' response. Except don't ask the customer if he wants pre-stretch or not just do it for natty gut.

Irvin
 

quest01

Hall of Fame
On a crank I generally string natural gut at 10% higher then the requested tension. So if I wanted 60 pounds tension with gut I would set the tension at around 66 pounds.
 

Niel

New User
On a crank I generally string natural gut at 10% higher then the requested tension. So if I wanted 60 pounds tension with gut I would set the tension at around 66 pounds.

Hi Quest01, Can you please explain why you add 10% higher tension? Is this to compensate for tension loss later after stringing and do you do this on natural gut only? Sorry for the noobie questions...Thanks
 

jim e

Legend
Hi Quest01, Can you please explain why you add 10% higher tension? Is this to compensate for tension loss later after stringing and do you do this on natural gut only? Sorry for the noobie questions...Thanks

!0% is in the ballpark here, especially if it is an oversize racquet and with nat. gut.and the customer typically has a stringer that uses a constant pull machine.
A crank machine is a lock out tension head where the tension reaches the set tension then locks out and no longer pulls tension, then you clamp the string with the machines clamp therefore by time you clamp the stretching of the string is occuring and once clamped would be less tension, where a drop weight and electronic constant pull machine keeps pulling the reference tension until you clamp with machines clamp and release tension.
Now with more elongation type strings like nat. gut that would stretch more, and a larger racquet, the difference would be in the 10% ballpark, but if a lower elongation type string like a poly string that is stiffer and a smaller frame there would be less stretching and the difference would be a little less of a % .
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
I wouldn't assume to simply pre-stretch natural gut. Although It is great for stringing because it helps erase coil memory thus making it easier and "safer" to string, not everyone wants their gut pre-stretched. For starters, it takes away some of the guts elasticity, which many players enjoy.

I would absolutely ask the client and give them the option.
 

Niel

New User
!0% is in the ballpark here, especially if it is an oversize racquet and with nat. gut.and the customer typically has a stringer that uses a constant pull machine.
A crank machine is a lock out tension head where the tension reaches the set tension then locks out and no longer pulls tension, then you clamp the string with the machines clamp therefore by time you clamp the stretching of the string is occuring and once clamped would be less tension, where a drop weight and electronic constant pull machine keeps pulling the reference tension until you clamp with machines clamp and release tension.
Now with more elongation type strings like nat. gut that would stretch more, and a larger racquet, the difference would be in the 10% ballpark, but if a lower elongation type string like a poly string that is stiffer and a smaller frame there would be less stretching and the difference would be a little less of a % .

Thanks Jim for your explanations, I have a Eagnas Flex 100 machine, it has a linear ball bearing string gripper/Drop weight setup, since this falls under constant pull machines, then I guess I have to pull a little less than 10%? Thanks again.
 

jim e

Legend
Thanks Jim for your explanations, I have a Eagnas Flex 100 machine, it has a linear ball bearing string gripper/Drop weight setup, since this falls under constant pull machines, then I guess I have to pull a little less than 10%? Thanks again.

That is if you are comparing your machine to a lock out crank machine.
If you are comparing your machine to an electronic machine, like a star 5 it would be the same, as there would be no difference, as a drop weight is constant pull just like an electronic.It all depends what you are comparing it to.
 

Niel

New User
That is if you are comparing your machine to a lock out crank machine.
If you are comparing your machine to an electronic machine, like a star 5 it would be the same, as there would be no difference, as a drop weight is constant pull just like an electronic.It all depends what you are comparing it to.

Ok got it. Thanks!
 
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