djokovicgonzalez2010
G.O.A.T.
people need to stop classifying del potro with djokovic, nadal, even murray or ferrer
Relax- Federer caked walked- No Delpo, Joker, Nadal
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Now can we all agree?
It's NOT Federer's fault........But, this is the third tournamebt in a row where Federer can "look great, or awesome" without having to play a healthy, top formed, Nadal, Murray, Joker, Delpo and caked walked again
Joker is exhausted and flat, murray is bangged up, and Nadal is bordering on retirement/burnout
Federer should win this tournament, congratsnif he does but remember this..... He did not face a healthy crop of better players, again
2012 Australian Open will be the measuring stick....healthy crop of players, well rested let the games begin
It's NOT Federer's fault........But, this is the third tournamebt in a row where Federer can "look great, or awesome" without having to play a healthy, top formed, Nadal, Murray, Joker, Delpo and caked walked again
Joker is exhausted and flat, murray is bangged up, and Nadal is bordering on retirement/burnout
Federer should win this tournament, congratsnif he does but remember this..... He did not face a healthy crop of better players, again
2012 Australian Open will be the measuring stick....healthy crop of players, well rested let the games begin
Nobody claims Federer is the best in the world atm. That doesn't make his wins meaningless. 100 career finals. world no 3, 806 match wins.
zagor
Bionic Poster
No because he played Nadal.
So this tournament would be no Delpo and no Joker.
Nadal played Fed and lost.
Does this make Fed the favourite for 2012 AO? Of course not, different surface and conditions, best of five formant(which doesn't suit 30+ old players) etc.
jackson vile
G.O.A.T.
How can this be possible when Federer is so "old" and washed up?
DjokovicForTheWin
Banned
Well pretty much the same way Nadal didn't lose a set before Sod at FO09 and then blamed the loss to Sod on bad knees. How can it be with such bad knees to not have lost a set in the 1st 3 rounds?
zagor
Bionic Poster
The same way it's possible for Nadal to be in decline at the age of 24 in the year he reached career high # of slam and masters finals.
jackson vile
G.O.A.T.
Well pretty much the same way Nadal didn't lose a set before Sod at FO09 and then blamed the loss to Sod on bad knees. How can it be with such bad knees to not have lost a set in the 1st 3 rounds?
In these situations I look to Federer's excuses as to "I had mono, my ankle was hurt, a spider bit me on the face, I am sick, my back was hurt, my back was hurt again, I need a bathroom break so I don't have to serve in the sun like you did, I won the match for him, etc."
DjokovicForTheWin
Banned
Oh so you already had an answer, so why ask?
zagor
Bionic Poster
And when did he say that?
As for bathroom break, that one took 2 minutes longer than the regular pause between sets, Nadal wastes that much time in a few service games.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
So what about that French Open ? where he beat an unbeaten NOle ? Does that not count.
For suresh's sake, Nadal is 5 years younger than Fed who is phreakin 30 years old.
Tell us you are being sarcastic so we can laugh.
billnepill
Hall of Fame
LOL ****! Peak Nadal was destroyed at WTF by old Freddie, how does that taste?
and LOL at Nards complaining about excuses !
Rusty669
Semi-Pro
Did you sleep through the humiliating defeat which Fed handed Nadal???
jackson vile
G.O.A.T.
If the field is no problem for Federer than why did he not win and slams?
Federer = kid handing in homework late, should have put this effort into winning the slams instead of getting upset someone returning your serve not to your liking LOL
billnepill
Hall of Fame
why didn't sampras win Slams in 2011?
zagor
Bionic Poster
He did win slams, 16 of them.
Oh you mean why he didn't he win one this year? You'll understand that when you're about 5 years older.
Fed won WTF in every one of his 3 slam title seasons (2004,2006 and 2007).
billnepill
Hall of Fame
Maybe Rafa should have sticked to his 3 months schedule per year (clay season) and being "tired" during the rest. This "all-court" thingy isn't doing him any good.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
Federer is old for a tennis player, and doesn't have the same consistancy as before. That doesn't mean he can't string together some good form for a while, and it's easier in best of 3 than best of 5. It's not that hard to understand..
Lol. In a 12 year career there are about 5 or 6 injury excuses with Federer - as opposed to the same number per season with Nadal.
This year alone he's had
Fever in Doha
Hamstring in Australia
Burnt fingers
"broken" foot at Wimbledon
shoulder problems and food poisoning at the WTF. Maybe others I've missed, who knows.
DjokovicForTheWin
Banned
^^^ don't forget the new one: lack of motivation, LOLLLL
billnepill
Hall of Fame
Nadal's excuses are the sole reason Nadal News thread is the biggest in the the general discussion. LOLville fails once again. He must feel very small and humbled right now.
Cup8489
G.O.A.T.
jackson vile
G.O.A.T.
Federer's back is like Nadal's knees and don't forget the whole groin incident with Federer.
OrangePower
Legend
It is interesting to speculate why it is that a 30 year old player is in better shape mentally and physically at the end of the season than his much younger rivals, despite having played pretty much the same number of matches through the course of the year, and many more recent matches.
Matches played this year as of 11/21, according to ATP:
Djokovic: 73
Nadal: 79
Murray: 68
Federer: 71
Fed played a similar amount to Djokovic and Murray, and just a few less than Nadal. And by the end of the WTF, that difference will be even smaller.
No argument that Fed is no longer at his peak, but interesting that even past his peak and at a ripe old age, he can still be in better form late in the season than the competition.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
I removed 2 letters from your post. Just to see how it looks.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
Nah, Nadal's knees are brought up everytime there isn't a more obvious excuse, it's the default excuse for him. Federer had back problems in Paris 2008 the first time wasn't it? Or was it before then? It troubled him for a while but has rarely been brought up again, unlike Nadal's knees which have apparently effected him constantly since lord knows when.
Again, ok some groin strain. But if you seriously want to compare injuries you'll find every season Nadal will have about 5 more, maybe even more than that. He has more NOW and Federer is 30 and getting more injury prone.
feddump was a whiney weasel who was bemoaning about his painful foot...then he skipped all davis cup ties and suddenly lost his pain in thailand and masters cup 2004. ironically, he was giggling while he saw roddick struggling in thailand after an injury he picked up at a davis cup tie a week before. poor federer....
This thread is really funny seeing as how Federer destroyed Nadal when they met and as how even when Djokovic was in prime form at the USO, it took a little bit of a lapse from Federer and fantastic play from Djokovic to beat him in 5 sets. Djokovic wasn't playing good at all here. Why not say that Nadal and Djokovic have had it easy coming into their prime as Federer was leaving his? It is all silly. Primes will rarely match up, players will rarely both play their best on the same day, etc.
It is the fault of Djokovic, Nadal, and Murray if they aren't fit enough at the end of the season to play their best tennis at the World Tour Finals, which is the 5th most important event in tennis. They should have managed their schedule better, or had a better playing style. Or we can just accept the fact that it is a weakness of all of these players that they don't seem to be able to string together continuous and unending excellence in their prime like Federer did from 2004-2007.
That is hardly to say they aren't great great players (except for Murray, so far). Nadal has 10 slams, nothing can take that away from him. He is in the 1st tier of all time greats for the Open Era in my book (Federer & Laver, then Sampras, Borg, and Nadal, imo...Lendl and probably Connors stradle tier 1 & 2). Djokovic had one of the all time great seasons this year. He has played fantastic.
But the inability to string together continuous excellence is no less a weakness than a 1HBH against high topspin balls.
It is the fault of Djokovic, Nadal, and Murray if they aren't fit enough at the end of the season to play their best tennis at the World Tour Finals, which is the 5th most important event in tennis. They should have managed their schedule better, or had a better playing style. Or we can just accept the fact that it is a weakness of all of these players that they don't seem to be able to string together continuous and unending excellence in their prime like Federer did from 2004-2007.
That is hardly to say they aren't great great players (except for Murray, so far). Nadal has 10 slams, nothing can take that away from him. He is in the 1st tier of all time greats for the Open Era in my book (Federer & Laver, then Sampras, Borg, and Nadal, imo...Lendl and probably Connors stradle tier 1 & 2). Djokovic had one of the all time great seasons this year. He has played fantastic.
But the inability to string together continuous excellence is no less a weakness than a 1HBH against high topspin balls.
Don't forget Fed's playing his best tennis while Nadal is in decline.
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NadalAgassi
Guest
Of course it is not Federer's fault and should not take anything away from him if he wins tommorows final. However this has been one of the most pathetic WTF's in history. 3 of the top 4 playing pathetically poor and lucky to have won any matches between them (yes I am including Murray who played 1 bad match then pulled out). Almost no memorable matches, some 3 setters with mostly ugly all around play. The WTA Championships finale was 5 times better than the ATP finale, who would have figured that happening.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
do you even know that the olympics are played once every 4 years? also there were no olympics in 2003 fool
check out your facts before you spew them here
lol you know i was talking about both olympics and davis cup, it would be stupid to mention only 2004 and 2008... nice try, but no other fed fanboy will support your "bright" comment.
aren't you happy that federer won davis cup and the olympics?
...oh. never mind. at least he won the olympic doubles as well as destroyed *******, safin, hewitt and OLD agassi in slams; he's so unselfish.
aren't you happy that federer won davis cup and the olympics?
...oh. never mind. at least he won the olympic doubles as well as destroyed *******, safin, hewitt and OLD agassi in slams; he's so unselfish.
Just saying....this is the worst finals and weakest field for the tournament ... No delpo, soderling, etc....
Give roger his due.... To possibly win 3 tournaments in a row without facing the top players in top form is sad....
2012 will be Nadal's ladt year if he plays or loses like in 2011 form
Give roger his due.... To possibly win 3 tournaments in a row without facing the top players in top form is sad....
2012 will be Nadal's ladt year if he plays or loses like in 2011 form
kishnabe
Talk Tennis Guru
It isn't Roger fault anyways. The top 8 players deserve their place...they aren't weak by anyways.
Del Potro isn't near his 2009 form....and if he were in the WTF he would be fodder material since most of his mind and game is focused on DC.
Soderling is injured....nothing you can do about it!
Tsonga at his top form, Berdych playing great tennis, Fish showing all he got, Ferrer a consistent tough player. What more are you asking for. Murray is injured and Djokovic is mentally fatigued.
I believe Federer would have moped the floor with Murray, Djokovic and Nadal if they were in top form for this event. Federer playing as well as lasyt year in WTF.
Let's talk about this after Australia!
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
I don't care about the Davis Cup since it's not a singles competition. Federer was the only good (top 50 I should say) player in the Swiss team until 2009/2010 so even if he won both singles rubbers it was of no use.
Tennis shouldn't even be played at the Olympics because it's already popular around the world. Ask every single player in the ATP if he prefers to win Wimbledon or a gold medal at the Olympics I bet all, except maybe Massu would pick Wimbly.
Btw why the f do you have to bring Roddick in everything you post, do you have some kind of obsession? Get a life!
