Roche and Hewitt to Coach Tomic

Wynter

Legend
Tomic Snr. Has decided the time has come to move on from coaching Tomic and has decided to help his daughter Sarah, (16) in making it on the Pro Tour.

“After a long, long period — 22 years — it’s time for Bernard to make his own way and for me to help Sara,” John Tomic said, as he will now focus his attention on his 16-year-old daughter’s career.

“Tony Roche is the best coach for us. He is a legend,” Tomic Sr said.

“He will not be with Bernard on the road all the time. But we will have another coach to help out.

“I’m sure it will be a good team and sometimes it will also involve Lleyton .

“Bernard needs good discipline and consistency. Tony can help with that.

Roche has been Australian veteran Lleyton Hewitt’s long time coach, but in the wake of his impending retirement, he will also guide 22-year-old Tomic, under an arrangement devised by Pat Rafter.

Tomic went on the record as saying: “Tony is such an amazing coach and it’s going to be great to be able to tap into his experience.

“I’ll be working with him from Davis Cup (against the Czech Republic in Ostrava in March) to Indian Wells.”

“After that, I’ll work with him whenever he’s on the road.”

Definitely sounds like an interesting mix of people, no clue what they'd be there to help him with though. It'll be interesting to see if this produces any substantial results or is just a short term thing whilst he finds a long term partner.
 
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NatF

Bionic Poster
If Tomic can absorb just half of Hewitt's heart and desire to win then he will be one to watch in 2016.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
At last, John Tomic does the decent thing and steps aside from his son's career. Have similar misgivings about how he will behave while coaching his daughter, though!

Rather ironic they both now think Hewitt is good enough to coach Bernard. Not so long ago, his offer to practice with Bernard was abruptly rejected!

Still, with 2 Aussie legends like Roche and Hewitt helping out, Bernie now has some of the best coaching on offer. If they can't help him, nobody can!
 

Russeljones

Talk Tennis Guru
At last, John Tomic does the decent thing and steps aside from his son's career. Have similar misgivings about how he will behave while coaching his daughter, though!

Rather ironic they both now think Hewitt is good enough to coach Bernard. Not so long ago, his offer to practice with Bernard was abruptly rejected!

Still, with 2 Aussie legends like Roche and Hewitt helping out, Bernie now has some of the best coaching on offer. If they can't help him, nobody can!

Except, at his age the damage is mostly already done. We don't know how receptive he will be to any caliber of wisdom after what he's been through. Plus, the offspring of a jackass could very well be a jackass in his own right.
 
I dunno, I think that whole practice thing was misreported.

I know Lleyton and Bernard are pretty good friends, play a lot of table tennis (you call it Ping Pong for some strange reason) against each other, hardly at daggers drawn..

Tomic has worked with Roche a lot already at Davis Cup, so they clearly have something effective, his Davis Cup record is incredible.
(I think he has lost maybe 2 including one to Federer on grass in which he took a set and made him work very hard indeed)
 

m2nk2

Hall of Fame
Sarah Tomic is already turning 18 next year and is not among the top 1000. Sounds like she needs some coaching yeah
 

Wynter

Legend
I dunno, I think that whole practice thing was misreported.

I know Lleyton and Bernard are pretty good friends, play a lot of table tennis (you call it Ping Pong for some strange reason) against each other, hardly at daggers drawn..

Tomic has worked with Roche a lot already at Davis Cup, so they clearly have something effective, his Davis Cup record is incredible.
(I think he has lost maybe 2 including one to Federer on grass in which he took a set and made him work very hard indeed)

From what I remember when his dad got suspended Tomic reached out to Hewitt for a hand on the tour, definitely no bad blood between the two
 
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King Fed WW

Guest
Excellent.

Should be top 20 by end of the year and then a contender in 2016.

It musn't be forgotten that Tony Roche is a super coach.
 

Wynter

Legend
On a sidenote I should probably change the title to "Roche and Hewitt to Help Coach Tomic" Since it seems they'll both be part-time workers.

Then again Roche never does Full-Time anymore so it's essentially assumed.
 

Oz_Rocket

Professional
Good move for Bernie. I think he's realising that the Australian tennis fraternity genuinely wants to see him succeed and will help him where they can. It's no secret that Hewitt sees Tomic and Kyrgios as the backbone of the Davis Cup team he'll inherit next year.

And with Kyrgios taking the spotlight there is a chance for Tomic to take this opportunity and work hard without the weight of being "the next big thing".
 
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Come on, Hewitt. You should be trying to help out Australia's real talent in Kyrgios - you know, the kid with similar results to Federer in an age-to-age comparison.. Not the flaky Australian kid with bad family relationships.
 

jiddy-p

Semi-Pro
Come on, Hewitt. You should be trying to help out Australia's real talent in Kyrgios - you know, the kid with similar results to Federer in an age-to-age comparison.. Not the flaky Australian kid with bad family relationships.

Kyrgios is not the most mature of stable guy either. He's going down the same slippery slope that Tomic did. Hewitt probably want to be involved with a player whose over than hump, rather than a child.
 
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Kyrgios is not the most mature of stable guy either. He's going down the same slippery slope that Tomic did. Hewitt probably want to be involved with a player whose over than hump, rather than a child.
Tomic has never made 2 QF rounds in a Grand Slam.
 
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Nathaniel_Near

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I want to know more about how Kyrgios is going down a slippery slope.
 

chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
Come on, Hewitt. You should be trying to help out Australia's real talent in Kyrgios - you know, the kid with similar results to Federer in an age-to-age comparison.. Not the flaky Australian kid with bad family relationships.

I guess Hewitt must be thinking that Kyrgios is doing just fine now but Tomic's career seems stuck in the 2nd gear and requires some repair job. :)
 

Dave1982

Professional
This can only be good for Australian tennis & hopefully it installs a few traits in Tomic which up until now many commentators/analysts have suggested he lacks.
Not that it's really relevant & I'm very happy he's had a change of heart but didn't Roche say a few years back that once Lleyton is finished he will also be done? Either glad he's continuing to help younger Australian players, can only be a good thing!
 

racquetreligion

Hall of Fame
Kyrgios is not the most mature of stable guy either. He's going down the same slippery slope that Tomic did. Hewitt probably want to be involved with a player whose over than hump, rather than a child.

In terms of court behaviour I see Kyrgios as worse than Tomic, Tomic doesnt show that much disrespect in a match. I enjoy watching Kyrgios but we will see if QFs can be backed up over time.

and Krygios has never won a tournament on the ATP tour, in fact, outside the two QF results, he's barely won a match..Don't get me wrong, kid is good, but don't undersell Tomic.
We will see if this is not a newbie X factor thing that helped Tomic in the same way, when many didnt know or faced a unique style compared to the rest.

I have to say though I never saw Kyrgios improve so much in such short time and if he keeps this up he might be in for a good run in a couple of years, however lately he hasnt figured anywhere in USA hard courts which is where he could do the most damage.

I guess Hewitt must be thinking that Kyrgios is doing just fine now but Tomic's career seems stuck in the 2nd gear and requires some repair job. :)

There could be a couple of problems with Tomic apart from his father it is also possible that hunger is harder to find and his bigger oversized body just doesnt have the nimbleness that is required of todays game.

Tomic plays very similar to Miloslav Mecir in some ways and unfortunately this style of tennis is not paying dividends yet he has no choice due to his big heavy frame. I see Tomic heading the same way as post Op DelPo and definitely without any Slams as he has missed his chance, as his body is just too cumbersome.

With height you need a certain amount of lean muscle like a Cilic or young DelPo had. Now Delpo is high 90s in kg and Tomic looks the same. Carrying that amount of body mass in GS is just not efficient.
 

Oz_Rocket

Professional
Not that it's really relevant & I'm very happy he's had a change of heart but didn't Roche say a few years back that once Lleyton is finished he will also be done?

I think it comes down to Roche being genuinely excited by the resurgence of our Australian men and the desire to be part of it.
 

raging

Professional
Tomic Snr. Has decided the time has come to move on from coaching Tomic and has decided to help his daughter Sarah, (16) in making it on the Pro Tour.



Definitely sounds like an interesting mix of people, no clue what they'd be there to help him with though. It'll be interesting to see if this produces any substantial results or is just a short term thing whilst he finds a long term partner.

This will merge into Jaymon Crabb doing a lot of the coaching work with Hewitt and Roche as advisors. We can also see Rafter doing a lot of this with the Eagle looking after Kyrgios and a few other Tennis Australia guys looking after Kokkinakis etc.

It's one way to manage the guys in the top 100 and Sam Groth is certainly looking way stronger with Ben Matthias.

Rafter is going to cop a bit of flak as it is starting to look like jobs for the boys/his mates but giving these guys experienced professional coaches has to add stability and backup to their games.

They badly need to catch Marinko though as he is in freefall and several others also need a hand. Duckworth, Millman and Saville are just 3 more. Jason Kubler deserves help in his brave claycourt campaigns.

It will be worth watching.
 
There could be a couple of problems with Tomic apart from his father it is also possible that hunger is harder to find and his bigger oversized body just doesnt have the nimbleness that is required of todays game.

Tomic plays very similar to Miloslav Mecir in some ways and unfortunately this style of tennis is not paying dividends yet he has no choice due to his big heavy frame. I see Tomic heading the same way as post Op DelPo and definitely without any Slams as he has missed his chance, as his body is just too cumbersome.

With height you need a certain amount of lean muscle like a Cilic or young DelPo had. Now Delpo is high 90s in kg and Tomic looks the same. Carrying that amount of body mass in GS is just not efficient.

I think this was probably true for the last couple of years but if you look at Tomic now, post op, he seems to be quite a bit leaner and lighter on his feet.

Recent results are positive, he has reached the QF in every tournament he has played this year except the AO where he made the fourth round. I may be wrong, but I suspect that is his best effort on tour to date and he is still only 22.

Nick worries me, there is something in his attitude that seems a bit off.

Talented though, no doubt
 

Oz_Rocket

Professional
They badly need to catch Marinko though as he is in freefall and several others also need a hand. Duckworth, Millman and Saville are just 3 more.

Agree completely. To be honest I think that when Craig Tiley and Co. changed their approach to junior development their best case scenario for now was 1 and possibly 2 genuine top 20 prospects.

What they've got is that plus plenty of "older" blokes either in the top 100 or not far from it that also need support. Then you have kids like Omar Jasika who at 17 was one win away from qualifying for a Slam. Juggling all that is not going to be easy. Keeping guys like Roche around in some capacity is a good idea.

Nick worries me, there is something in his attitude that seems a bit off.

Talented though, no doubt

I think the best move for Nick was going back to Canberra and linking with his childhood coach Todd Larkham. Larkham has been a Tennis Australia appointed National Academy coach for nearly 10 years and has coached Nick for most of his life. So he's part of the establishment but has a unique relationship with Nick. Currently you've got plenty of well credentialed people giving Nick advice through the media (most of it probably on the mark!) but I think they need to channel it all through Larkham.

Will it be enough to keep him focussed and on the right track? Hopefully yes, but from what I can see there is no other better option out there.
 

racquetreligion

Hall of Fame
Agree completely. To be honest I think that when Craig Tiley and Co. changed their approach to junior development their best case scenario for now was 1 and possibly 2 genuine top 20 prospects.

What they've got is that plus plenty of "older" blokes either in the top 100 or not far from it that also need support. Then you have kids like Omar Jasika who at 17 was one win away from qualifying for a Slam. Juggling all that is not going to be easy. Keeping guys like Roche around in some capacity is a good idea.

I have to say I have concern for what supposedly is the current system. The juniors are hand picked from results and put with plenty of coaches which all have different ideas and interpretations. In the past 1 on 1 friend and coach has proved to be more successful than the current put all the eggs in one basket with a handful of coaches to prime them up. Top players have shown this as well and having this long time friend coach creates a consistency in their tennis character that only is of benefit.

Trying to do everything here in Oz is not really working as they miss out on the clay training that is prevalent all over Europe. This new step of putting in a handful of clay courts at some strategic locations is limiting the scope of talent that could be available outside the earlier shining and chosen ones.

In reality TA should put a limit on Plexi Cushion expenses (cost is 3:1 of others) and encourage syn clay with some cheaper but faster hard courts than Plexi. This would increase Australias chances of encouraging under-developed talent by reaching out to more rather than limiting their choices of young players.

What they have done for older blokes is commendable but players like Matsosevic should have put his savings or got a leg up into improving his game by training overseas in Spain for at least 2 years. Marinko lacks a tennis mind and although he trains as hard as many top players, he lacks patience and wit. Clay teaches you to be cunning and persistent rather than unloading to his own death as he often does. Its too late for him so whatever he can achieve now is a bonus. Ducky should be in Spain though and so should my choice of best hopeful Oz player John Millman who really deserves better for his ability, raw fighting spirit and pushing Fed and Murray in the last few years & some very good wins at Brisbane.

For example look at Murray, Raonic and others that have trained for quite some time in Spain and open their minds up to a new way of life, language and thinking living & training only in Oz is not going to provide.

Kyrgios and Kokkinakis, Tomic are products of Australian Tennis thanks mainly to Hewitt's Heroics. The swagger is not Hewitts but the playing up to an Aussie Crowd is still a Hewitt trademark that surely encouraged thousands of young juniors in Australia to be confident and never given in. Hewitt needs more rewards for what he has achieved in Australia and hopefully that is the top job at training whoever he says deserves a go. I would like to see Darren Cahill work with Hewitt as a team again but that is another matter.

I think the best move for Nick was going back to Canberra and linking with his childhood coach Todd Larkham. Larkham has been a Tennis Australia appointed National Academy coach for nearly 10 years and has coached Nick for most of his life. So he's part of the establishment but has a unique relationship with Nick. Currently you've got plenty of well credentialed people giving Nick advice through the media (most of it probably on the mark!) but I think they need to channel it all through Larkham. Will it be enough to keep him focussed and on the right track? Hopefully yes, but from what I can see there is no other better option out there.

Nick and Todd have a relationship that is essentially the 1 on 1 I was talking about and referred by other Autralian pros. However its time for Nick to train overseas and use Australian training as a stepping stone as he wont be able to cut it in the future much like Tomic has experienced.

Tomic and Kyrgios are 2 of the best talents from Australia but I dont see them going further than journeymen unless they can instill sacrifice and hard work on the clay where proper carving is made for all the top players of today. Having this sacrifice as Murray called it is what round up a player to have the best of both worlds for todays prominently demanding baseline game.

TA needs to construct some connections with Spanish Academies before its too late for the current gen or face what is happening to players from America, England and Australia etc.

Having someone like Hewitt available at TA is long overdue but also time to hire someone like Emilio Sanchez, Rosset or Carlos Rodríguez on temporary stints for their insight and experience into more European regiments and ideas.
Rosset could help the bigger kids like Tomic, Kyrgios and Kokkinakis into perhaps avoiding the pitfalls the big man faced with his 2 metre body and better implement their serves and aggression into todays mainly baseline game.

Dismissing what other current successful tennis countries like Spain, Swiss and even
 
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