Roger Federer Halle 2019 BEST Points Collection!

[Yoeri Tennis II]

'Nuff said!

 

[hipolymer]

Fed fans will look at this vid and still stubbornly claim that Fed from 2004-2009 who was hitting half-court backhands most of the time was a better player than now

The fact of the matter is that he's improved his shots greatly; it's only his movement speed that's suffered somewhat. But his movement positioning is better.

 

[King No1e]

Fed fans will look at this vid and still stubbornly claim that Fed from 2004-2009 who was hitting half-court backhands most of the time was a better player than now

The fact of the matter is that he's improved his shots greatly; it's only his movement speed that's suffered somewhat. But his movement positioning is better.

His forehand is still great, but it doesn't hold a candle to peak Fed's FH. Have you ever seen highlights from back then? It was an even bigger assblaster than it is now.

 

[tennis_pro]

Fed fans will look at this vid and still stubbornly claim that Fed from 2004-2009 who was hitting half-court backhands most of the time was a better player than now

The fact of the matter is that he's improved his shots greatly; it's only his movement speed that's suffered somewhat. But his movement positioning is better.

Yeah it's just his movement and speed, no big deal for a tennis professional.

 

[hipolymer]

His forehand is still great, but it doesn't hold a candle to peak Fed's FH. Have you ever seen highlights from back then? It was an even bigger assblaster than it is now.

Not really, just look at his supposed grass peak:

Sure he sometimes had more spectacular winners but his forehand is much more consistent now, and with the same frequency of winners

Even his serve is better today

Yeah it's just his movement and speed, no big deal for a tennis professional.

I didn't say movement and speed, I said movement speed. His movement positioning is better.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Not really, just look at his supposed grass peak:

Sure he sometimes had more spectacular winners but his forehand is much more consistent now, and with the same frequency of winners

Even his serve is better today



I didn't say movement and speed, I said movement speed. His movement positioning is better.

LOL. Go home, you're done here. Absolutely done.

 

[hipolymer]

LOL. Go home, you're done here. Absolutely done.

#NotAnArgument

 

[abmk]

Sure he sometimes had more spectacular winners but his forehand is much more consistent now, and with the same frequency of winners

You --->

 

[Third Serve]

Not really, just look at his supposed grass peak:

Sure he sometimes had more spectacular winners but his forehand is much more consistent now, and with the same frequency of winners

Even his serve is better today

This is obviously what happens when you compare a "best points" video and an extended highlight video in which both player's points are given spotlight (and even some errors!). I might as well post a video of Fed's best forehands and try to refute your argument.

Simply put, you're using the wrong video to compare with. Try some highlights of Fed's actual matches at Halle this year, and not just the "best shots" collection.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

#NotAnArgument

Correct. What possible productivity would come from attempting to ram one in your ears when you're coming out with nonsensical gymnastics like that which I bolded? You're done.

 

[Raining hopes]

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[hipolymer]

This is obviously what happens when you compare a "best points" video and an extended highlight video in which both player's points are given spotlight (and even some errors!). I might as well post a video of Fed's best forehands and try to refute your argument.

Simply put, you're using the wrong video to compare with. Try some highlights of Fed's actual matches at Halle this year, and not just the "best shots" collection.

No problem, compare to 2006 Halle then:

Fed's backhands regularly reaching not even half court. Playing a meter behind the baseline on grass against Gasquet.

Try as you might, you simply can't prove that Fed was that much better in 2006, which is sad

 

[EasyGoing]

No problem, compare to 2006 Halle then:

Fed's backhands regularly reaching not even half court. Playing a meter behind the baseline on grass against Gasquet.

Try as you might, you simply can't prove that Fed was that much better in 2006, which is sad

Sure, buddy. Good job! Now go back to chasing that rainbow

 

[Third Serve]

No problem, compare to 2006 Halle then:

Fed's backhands regularly reaching not even half court. Playing a meter behind the baseline on grass against Gasquet.

Try as you might, you simply can't prove that Fed was that much better in 2006, which is sad

You have it the wrong way around. I said this year, not that year. You already gave us some examples of Fed's 2006 grass court form. I just needed extended highlights of his Halle matches in this tournament, Halle 2019. I'm pretty sure I gave you something impossible to do, however, as ATP has probably blocked all the highlights longer than 5 mins.

 

[Raining hopes]

@hipolymer

Watch each of these and tell me with a STRAIGHT face that you believe what you said

And before someone says these are just highlights, there are full matches wherever I found the link.


This single 12 min video of a single match is better than Fraud's entire Halle run highlights :

Roddick mincemeat

Hewitt mincemeat:

Safin mincemeat :

Fraud on clay even when his game wasn't really devloped on it:

 

[Raining hopes]

Now if someone dares to say Fed FH and BH only turns up against weak era giants :
Here's him taking it to best baseline 2011 Novak on clay

At USO 2008

At USO 2011

At USO 2008 against Murray

Cont.

 

[Raining hopes]

BH exhibition at AO 2010 against Murray

Both wings against Rafa

Against Novak

Now sir @hipolymer DO YOU STAND BY YOUR WORDS ?

 

[Raining hopes]

Putting it here to maintain sequence.

Fed fans will look at this vid and still stubbornly claim that Fed from 2004-2009 who was hitting half-court backhands most of the time was a better player than now

The fact of the matter is that he's improved his shots greatly; it's only his movement speed that's suffered somewhat. But his movement positioning is better.

Are we freaking going to go this route every thread ?

Even his FH ? God. Are you nuts ?

Do you even watch his matches these days ?
What happens when he gets stretched to his FH side ?

Fed didn't play that well against Rafa in WB F.

Watch these matches of the same time and tell me with a straight face you stand by your comment

Look at this match ON CLAY Just months before:

Couldn't find the whole match but highlights will do

Or this one where he struggled

Or this one against Rafa just few months later :

Or against Rafa at RG, where he always gets his ass kicked but see how his FH is something that even the greatest defender can't handle consistently:

 

[Raining hopes]

No problem, compare to 2006 Halle then:

Fed's backhands regularly reaching not even half court. Playing a meter behind the baseline on grass against Gasquet.

Try as you might, you simply can't prove that Fed was that much better in 2006, which is sad

Halle 2006 was bad bad from Fed. He lost sets in all matches if I remember correctly. For the first time in his career he went deep in each Clay tournament he entered and had 4 hr + matches against Rafa in each of them. He needed time to adjust.

 

[Yoeri Tennis II]

@hipolymer

I will cut you some slack by saying that yes, in his prime, Federer would more often drop the backhand short sometimes and played it more loopy. But not every match. Like in this thread alone videos have been posted of him hitting deep and flat, even before his prime (e.g. Agassi TMC 2003 final). That being said, the amount of spin put on the ball was in a transitional phase also. Federer's movement is still great but he's dependent on having, what they often refer to in athletics and cycling, a day of good legs. Fed can be explosive today still but not every day. In his 20s he could endure marathon matches better and come back the next day relatively more fresh. His movement is not better now than it was from 2004-2009, sorry that is just silly. Like @Raining hopes eluded to, when Fed is stretched out wide his diminished D-game gets exposed more often than any Fedfan would like.

I'll ask you this: Where is the Federer backhand flicker gone too? He used to be brilliant on the run with that shot. I will tell you where it is now: it's stuck in 2004-2009.
Also, Fed's 2006 year was arguably the best in the history of tennis. Not even the eroded 'weaker era' argument can cope with that. Dominance is mostly because someone doesn't allow the competition to gain in confidence and become champions

 

[Raining hopes]

Well too bad that poster didn't turn up again. I would have loved to see how he defended himself now.

No respect for the past. None.

 

[BrokenGears]

Well too bad that poster didn't turn up again. I would have loved to see how he defended himself now.

No respect for the past. None.

Probably because half of your compatriots insulted him and derided him for having an opinion that they don't agree with

People don't respect 2014-half of 2016 Federer either

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Probably because half of your compatriots insulted him and derided him for having an opinion that they don't agree with

People don't respect 2014-half of 2016 Federer either

Can't respect a Fraud.

 

[Raining hopes]

Probably because half of your compatriots insulted him and derided him for having an opinion that they don't agree with

People don't respect 2014-half of 2016 Federer either

I do respect that Fed. Especially 2015, but then people start painting him as something he was not. Yes he did do few things better or as well as he used to in prime years ,esp serving and maybe BH.


But limitations of the new racquet and older age made him a player too focused on serve and forecourt, too much dependence on net rushes and trying to end points early. He did dominate everyone except Djokovic for a time,

But these were things you just can't succeed continuously with in 2010s baseline based tennis.


His style from his early peak years and 2015 is very different.

Just watch 2011 USO SF and 2015 USO F.

Fed in the former had a stable baseline weapon in his FH, and a strong baseline game with troubling variety along with net game. He could afford to be patient, he had too many options to hurt opponents with. That's why he pushed Djokovic harder than anyone in slams.

In 2015 he just wanted kamikaze the whole thing. The tour wasn't really able to keep up with his constant and innovative aggression.

But the style was too flawed, too high risk and not suitable for slow-med surface and BO5.

Djokovic, on the other hand with his calm mind and confidence in his abilities, made a mockery of Fed's game plan.

True it took an elite defender and an Peaking ATG to stop him. 2011-12, with a different relatively more patient style, troubled Djokovic more in slams. Fed was 2-3 against Djokovic in those 2 years, with the difference being that one return.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

No problem, compare to 2006 Halle then

Federer Halle 2006:

Winners 30

FH 12

BH 8

Points played: 156

Federer Halle 2019:

Winners 20

FH 9

BH 4

Points played: 128

Questions?