sexmachine
Rookie
I think ppl r bein 2 harsh, roger federer is 1 of the more grounded athletes of the sport and i think he works hard enough that he can make a little remark that i think is more humourous...
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Free_Martha
Guest
I couldn't believe Federer's speech at Indian Wells. How many times did he refer to his own playing as brilliant or fantastic? His stick arm could not reach around fast enough to pat himself on the back. James Blake was his contrast in class. You never felt that he was saying anything just to be nice and polite a la Federer.
And Rog sucking up to the Americans pretending to act like he loves it there doesn't win him any free points. Judging from their luke warm reaction I dont think the audience was fooled by his insincerity.
I hope someone can stop him at Miami to save us from having to listen to more of his self-congratulatory speeches.
And Rog sucking up to the Americans pretending to act like he loves it there doesn't win him any free points. Judging from their luke warm reaction I dont think the audience was fooled by his insincerity.
I hope someone can stop him at Miami to save us from having to listen to more of his self-congratulatory speeches.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Hey Free Martha, all ur posts are boring!Stop whining like a baby about Fed,who are u a fan of, if i might ask?
ask1ed
Semi-Pro
Did anyone else see what he did to Haas' last out shot? He smacked it deep into the stadium, very arrongantly, and gave a dirty look to Haas. Yeah, he's arrogant. I would be too, only a lot worse, if I had his record. All great dominators are arrogant. It's an occupational hazard, with everybody lining up to give him compliments.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
I think Fed was mad at his comments after the AO open, i am sure Fed knows what he has to do to be considered above Sampras, but the way he said it, probably ticked Roger.
RadekStepanekTheKing
Hall of Fame
I don´t think Roger is arrogant. off the court no way .He´s a nice guy. sometimes on the court he doesn´t allways behave well but who does??
Rhino
Legend
I disagree. I thought he came off as a really nice guy. His playing is fantastic and he's just being honest. What do want, false modesty? In his presentation speech he actually didn't say his playing was great even once. Also Federer doesn't say he 'loves America', he says "I've had an incredible run here in America for almost 1.5yrs, I haven't lost, so there's something special about this place I guess" - man, anyone on the tour would think the same. Sounds like sour grapes from a Blake fan whose hero got his lame arse kicked.Free_Martha said:
holy crap you guys, its amazing that such a good sport and great player has to be picked apart like this. I mean im not fed's #1 fan or anything, but the least i can say is that the guy is a consumate professional and probably one of the nicest guys on tour. ask someone on tour what they think of federer, and they'll probably all say what andy did, "id love to hate him, but hes a really nice guy" you guys pick like one or two quotes and then try to spin it idiomatically into making him sound like a piece of crap. its not self-congratulatory when u say you were playing well, everyone says that. what would you say if he went up there and said, i was playing okay, not my best, but i still whopped blake's ass, if he said that everyone wudda been mad, thsi way its like, "i played my best, he played his best, this time i came out on top"
He was booed in Rome and in the post match interview, he whined about the bad crowd booing his childishness, insincerity and fake calmness on court.
He proudly stated that he called opponents "jerks" and "idiot" because they beat him.
In the US Open, he was booed because the crowd saw through his self-congratulatory "graciousness". He thought he was delighting the Americans by saying they should be relieved and giddy that Americans were in the quarterfinals. He didn't even realize he was booed.
In Thailand, he told the reporters that Roddick was tired from playing Davis Cup before and said Roddick didn't have trouble. (Roddick had an elbow injury; he had to sleep in the locker room due to the time change and jet lag. Then, he had medical treatment - smelling salt in his match.)
Federer said he wished the other players would lose really early and that he'd cruise to the final.
He wanted the injured players in Shanghai to somehow step on court to play. They OWE him a favor and deserve "CRITICISM" for not playing.
Federer whined about line call technology because the crowd may interfere with tennis and tennis wouldn't be the player's "sport" anymore.
The hypocrite decided to use the line call challenge to change calls.
He said "I'm neutral."
That's hilarious. Federer won Miami, Indian Wells 2004 and almost won the Masters Cup because of bad calls.
Diplomatic bullcrap.
He proudly stated that he called opponents "jerks" and "idiot" because they beat him.
In the US Open, he was booed because the crowd saw through his self-congratulatory "graciousness". He thought he was delighting the Americans by saying they should be relieved and giddy that Americans were in the quarterfinals. He didn't even realize he was booed.
In Thailand, he told the reporters that Roddick was tired from playing Davis Cup before and said Roddick didn't have trouble. (Roddick had an elbow injury; he had to sleep in the locker room due to the time change and jet lag. Then, he had medical treatment - smelling salt in his match.)
Federer said he wished the other players would lose really early and that he'd cruise to the final.
He wanted the injured players in Shanghai to somehow step on court to play. They OWE him a favor and deserve "CRITICISM" for not playing.
Federer whined about line call technology because the crowd may interfere with tennis and tennis wouldn't be the player's "sport" anymore.
The hypocrite decided to use the line call challenge to change calls.
He said "I'm neutral."
That's hilarious. Federer won Miami, Indian Wells 2004 and almost won the Masters Cup because of bad calls.
Diplomatic bullcrap.
Roger is the greatest player in the world and he knows it. He's a 9.0 sandbagging in the 7.0s. He is arrogant. To be otherwise, at his level, would be disingenuous and fake. His dominance is tempered by being the pigeon to two inferior players, Rafa and Bandy. This eats at him enough so he continues to remind us of how great he really is. Even so, Roger is a very nice guy and has genuine class. He still will stomp on anyone's throat at any opportunity. That's the mark of a great champion. They all have it.
I'm sure other players would be called arrogant and classless if they stomp on opponents. He's called a hero for getting an easy 6-match US Open draw.
Federer fans eat lemons all the time. They ate lemons when Federer lost a set or
lost Masters Cup despite having 2 sets gifted to him with awful calls.
How about their conspiracy theories about Americans cheating in the US?
We can't forget the extra practice time at Wimbledon Centre Court for Federer, the darling of tennis.
He enjoyed bragging about head-to-head records against injured opponents. Nadal, Roddick, Agassi, Blake, Ferrero, Ljubicic, Safin, Hewitt, Davydenko, Gaudio and Haas let Federer weasel out of his matches after many key bad calls, 7 wasted set points and inability to hold leads.
Federer fans eat lemons all the time. They ate lemons when Federer lost a set or
lost Masters Cup despite having 2 sets gifted to him with awful calls.
How about their conspiracy theories about Americans cheating in the US?
We can't forget the extra practice time at Wimbledon Centre Court for Federer, the darling of tennis.
He enjoyed bragging about head-to-head records against injured opponents. Nadal, Roddick, Agassi, Blake, Ferrero, Ljubicic, Safin, Hewitt, Davydenko, Gaudio and Haas let Federer weasel out of his matches after many key bad calls, 7 wasted set points and inability to hold leads.
mdhubert
Semi-Pro
There is some truth in what you say about bad calls and a bit of Fed's judgmental attitude sometimes, but for Wimbledon I think these guys don't give a **** of Federer, they have had so many great champions and they don't need him. That he gets some practice time on centre court (and I'm not even sure of that), as the world number 1 I don't find that incredible, who do you want them to give some time there, Tursunov ? Nadal who sucks on grass ?devila said:
mdhubert said:
He doesn't get time to practice on Centre Cout, nobody does (or only very rare cases). Federer has to use the practice courts or the designated outside courts just like everyone else.
What devila is referring to is that most of his matches are scheduled there - usually all but one or two - and Roddick is more often on Number One Court than Centre. If they have to play quarters or semis at the same time due to rain or other scheduling issues, then it's most likely Federer will get Centre. In 2004, Roddick got to the final having played only one match on Centre, and Gilbert apparently requested he get practice on there first. (Of course there are worse cases - Nalbandian hadn't played any on there by the time he reached the final in 2002.)
Many players are arrogant, but Federer would be a better role model if he would stop being so obnoxiously egotistical and condescending.
He can't believe he's wrong when he misses a shot and he actually laughed when
someone he deemed "predictable" and inferior broke his serve.
The crowd treated him well at Wimbledon, so that's all that matters.
I can't enjoy his wins because he has no jokes or anything new to say.
Same annoying stuff. "I can't believe I wasn't number 1 before.
I enjoy playing him. Not because I won. I played the best match of my life! I look beautiful! I can't control my crying and happiness."
He obsesses over his media image.
He can't believe he's wrong when he misses a shot and he actually laughed when
someone he deemed "predictable" and inferior broke his serve.
The crowd treated him well at Wimbledon, so that's all that matters.
I can't enjoy his wins because he has no jokes or anything new to say.
Same annoying stuff. "I can't believe I wasn't number 1 before.
I enjoy playing him. Not because I won. I played the best match of my life! I look beautiful! I can't control my crying and happiness."
He obsesses over his media image.
Tennis_Goodness
Semi-Pro
Roger is probablly the most humble guy in tour. More humble then Roddick, Nadal, Safin all of them. He talks up his oppenents and has never said a bad thing about anybody, plus everbody loves him even the players. He seems perfect in every department, tennis, life, his speeches. He's probablly the best number 1 i've ever seen!
Rhino
Legend
??? - He played 7 matches, all world class except round one. Santoro, Rochus, Kiefer, Nalbandian, Hewitt, Agassi! You call that easy?devila said:
You call losing the odd set eating lemons? Check out all the matches everyone else loses!! Are you mad? And trying to blame Federer's sucess on line calls is just desperation - he won those 2 sets despite being injured.devila said:
Like this means anything! I don't blame any world no1 for getting centre court practice time. Centre court at Wimbledon is Fed's back yard - he earned it.devila said:
What? If he has a good record he can state it. Roddick wishes he had something, anything, to bragg about. This rubbish about line calls, etc, is ridiculously clumsy and absurd. It just sounds like sour grapes, because despite 200 million people to chose from, America still can't get near him. His wins against Blake and Roddick in the next couple of days will be his 25th and 26th consecutive victories against American players.devila said:
Now that's what I call eating lemons. :mrgreen:
Shabazza
Legend
lol it's really funny to see people still arguing with devila about Roger Federer you can't convince her. Don't get worked up over it - IT'S A WASTE OF TIME!
This thread would be long forgotten, if you just let them be. Don't feed the trolls!
P.S.: I'd like to call stoneagle devila's little brother... but it would be insult to her, probably!
you can't convince her. Don't get worked up over it - IT'S A WASTE OF TIME!This thread would be long forgotten, if you just let them be. Don't feed the trolls!
P.S.: I'd like to call stoneagle devila's little brother... but it would be insult to her, probably!
Ignorance is bliss.
Of course, Federer wrote about winning with no problem after an injured opponent stopped working. The day before, he had to save break points that would give Srichaphan a win.
Federer was worried that his horrendously injured leg wouldn't heal in 2004, yet
he had no trouble.
Federer exclaimed, "I'm standing on one leg. I'm happy I won."
The 6-0 6-0 win over Gaudio was painful.
A haplessly injured Federer gets a cheap bad call late in the 1st set tiebreak and
another one at 2-4 in the 2nd tiebreak. David had to dig out of a 2 set hole to win.
Of course, Federer wrote about winning with no problem after an injured opponent stopped working. The day before, he had to save break points that would give Srichaphan a win.
Federer was worried that his horrendously injured leg wouldn't heal in 2004, yet
he had no trouble.
Federer exclaimed, "I'm standing on one leg. I'm happy I won."
The 6-0 6-0 win over Gaudio was painful.
A haplessly injured Federer gets a cheap bad call late in the 1st set tiebreak and
another one at 2-4 in the 2nd tiebreak. David had to dig out of a 2 set hole to win.
whistleway
Semi-Pro
devila said:
Please, gimme source and context. here are some starters to help you prove what you trying to say. bring it on.
http://federermagic.blogspot.com/2004/11/bookmarks-on-roger-federer.html
mdhubert
Semi-Pro
Just to keep things in perspective:
Q. Is there anything wrong with the guy? Is there anything at all wrong with him?
JAMES BLAKE: Man, he speaks too many languages. He was in here for too long. He was doing it in Swiss German, French, in English. I mean, pick one. Gosh (smiling).
No, I mean, I was hoping maybe I'd be better at him at the challenges, but we were both 0-for-1 tonight. I didn't even beat him in that.
I don't know. There's not many things I can say bad about him. That's another thing. He's like my brother, I think one of his good friends always had the classic line - he's the kind of guy you love to hate, but you just can't because he's too nice. He's one of those guys that everything comes so easy to him, you want to hate him, but then he goes and does something nice and is as classy as can be. He's too darn nice - another reason you can't hate him (smiling).
I don't think a top pro would say that if Fed was such an arrogant jerk, with all the competition and stuff...
Q. Is there anything wrong with the guy? Is there anything at all wrong with him?
JAMES BLAKE: Man, he speaks too many languages. He was in here for too long. He was doing it in Swiss German, French, in English. I mean, pick one. Gosh (smiling).
No, I mean, I was hoping maybe I'd be better at him at the challenges, but we were both 0-for-1 tonight. I didn't even beat him in that.
I don't know. There's not many things I can say bad about him. That's another thing. He's like my brother, I think one of his good friends always had the classic line - he's the kind of guy you love to hate, but you just can't because he's too nice. He's one of those guys that everything comes so easy to him, you want to hate him, but then he goes and does something nice and is as classy as can be. He's too darn nice - another reason you can't hate him (smiling).
I don't think a top pro would say that if Fed was such an arrogant jerk, with all the competition and stuff...
Robbie_1988
Semi-Pro
Hmmm I just think that some people are bored of seeing Federer dominating the circuit. So because they don't have much on Federer, they just turn to sad tactics such as trying to get high off calling Roger arrogant and accusing him of having no "humility". Or its just because Roger keeps beating the favourite players of these fans so they'll try to do anything to get at Roger.
Have a cry you whingers.
Have a cry you whingers.
mdhubert
Semi-Pro
Honestly I'm a Fed fan and I don't like when he goes "my game is awesome" or "I've beaten most of the guys" but 4 things have to be taken into consideration:tlm said:
1.culturally, Swiss-Germans are quite frank and direct about their feelings, it's not like Coria with exaggerated sadness and almost tears when he shakes hand of an opponent he's just beaten.
2. He dominates and he plays the game like no other in ALL history except maybe Tilden or Laver
3. Journalist's questions are often stupid and lead to stupid answers like yesterday when a guy asked Fed if the Blake match was a way to groove his strokes
4. he's smart and he always counter-balances with humble comments or attitude, so it's tough to attack him directly.
So it's difficult to compare him to Roddick
Robbie_1988
Semi-Pro
AMEN TO THAT BROTHERmdhubert said:
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Free_Martha
Guest
This is so true.tlm said:
At least there is one man in the media who is not afraid to expose Federer's fatheadedness:
Federer's ridiculous complaint
Posted by Charles Bricker at 07:46 PM
OK, so we now know that Roger Federer is feeling a little hostile toward the electronic line calling system.
"I'm sort of neutral," he began after his second-round win over Arnaud Clement, in which he challenged two calls, getting one replay in his favor. But in fact he sounded anything but neutral.
"At one stage it wasn't working. Obviously, that's something that is not acceptable, you know, for us players, playing with our minds, I think you know."
Then Federer laid into the fans on the stadium court. "My big wish from this whole thing is that the fans sort of don't take this as a game, because it happens so rarely that they shouldn't be screaming, 'Oh, challenge that' or 'Challenge this.' Like when there are close calls, they don't applaud anymore because they think there is going to be a challenge. I feel like that's sometimes a little bit of a problem right now."
Federer's position on electronic line calling is no surprise. He expressed his doubts a year ago, when USTA officials came to the French Open to sound out players on its use at the 2005 U.S. Open.
And that's fine. It's OK to be opposed. But it's difficult to understand what he's talking about when he rails against the fans getting involved in the match. That's exactly what we all want to happen.
As for the glitch in the second set, for parts of one game the computer system wasn't working and chair umpire Fergus Murphy made an announcement to the audience. Let's make two points here. First, this tournament is a shakedown cruise for Hawk-Eye. It's entirely reasonable that there will be burps. Second, the Cyclops system that calls services at the U.S. Open gets shut down several times during the fortnight. Have you ever heard Federer complain that that "plays with the players minds?" No, I haven't either.
Electronic line calling is one of the best things to happen to tennis since, well, since Federer. It's too bad he can't see that.
Robbie_1988
Semi-Pro
Free_Martha said:
Lovely. Splendid. But what has this got to do with his "fatheadedness". So he disagrees with the line calling system. How does that make him fatheaded? So you'll reckon anyone that complains about that system is fatheaded too? I'm sure he's not the only one to dislike the line calling system. There would be plenty of people like him.
I don't think you should be calling people fatheaded just because they don't like the line calling system. And so what if you think he isn't neutral. Even if he really was angry on the inside, If you were him, would you lose your temper and have a go and shoot everybody? No you wouldn't because you don't want to cause trouble.
And its all player preference which will vary from player to player. He finds it "plays with players' minds" and it distracts him. So if an umpire made a right/wrong calls on you on a 50:50 ratio, that probably wouldn't **** someone like you off ey?
skip1969
G.O.A.T.
i think 16 pages of subjective opinions on whether or not someone (who none of us even know intimately) is or isn't "arrogant" is a bit much. all these theories based on . . . what?
a host of soundbites from interviews and post-match conferences?
second-hand information that we digest from newspaper articles and tennis magazines?
or the vast insight that we can glean from our couches or courtside seats, as we watch a complete stranger chase down litltle yellow tennis balls?
i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that there are people who see us everyday . . . at work, at school . . . our next door neighbors or the drinking buddies we see on the weekends . . . who only know a FRACTION of who we really are as people. and my guess is that we know even less about mr federer.
a host of soundbites from interviews and post-match conferences?
second-hand information that we digest from newspaper articles and tennis magazines?
or the vast insight that we can glean from our couches or courtside seats, as we watch a complete stranger chase down litltle yellow tennis balls?
i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that there are people who see us everyday . . . at work, at school . . . our next door neighbors or the drinking buddies we see on the weekends . . . who only know a FRACTION of who we really are as people. and my guess is that we know even less about mr federer.
Robbie_1988
Semi-Pro
skip1969 said:
True you have a point and we don't know Mr Federer. But its just that we're bored and we like to comment or state our opinions. There are some people who are bored and have nothing to do... like me.
RadekStepanekTheKing
Hall of Fame
Robbie_1988 said:
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Free_Martha
Guest
:lol:
Open mouth, insert one dimensional foot.
Looks like Roger hasn't learned anything about how to beat Nadal.
Open mouth, insert one dimensional foot.
tennissavy
Hall of Fame
Gee for being one dimensional Nadal almost blew federer off the court in straight sets. Fed was lucky that raph got tense and blew some crucial points to lose a set and a lead in the fourth. If anything, Nadal's superiority on clay is growing against federer. Fed is having dillusions of grandeur to think that he getting closer to raph. He had better improve his backhand or raph will soon be bageling him.
tennissavy
Hall of Fame
Thank you, Tim. It is nice when intelligent people agree with me.tlm said:
Free_Martha said:
i think roger is trying to play "psychological warfare"
against nadal. i think fed wants to make nadal change
his one dimensional style, so that nadal get messed up
if he change his game style. i am sure nadal will not change
his style, if rafa can beat roger with his o/d style, then why
will nadal change his style if it works against fed. Right!!!
i sure nadal is smart enough not to fall in those psychological
traps.
Count Grishnackh
Banned
Yeah, that quote about Nadal isn't fair. Jeez, if he has a one dimensional game then what's the rest of the ATP Tour? Park hackers? We may have just seen a peek of what Federer really thinks about everyone else and mainly Nadal. To be that dismissive of Rafa's game is insulting and not giving any due credit to that man that has him beat. To be honest, can Federer be a better tennis player than he already is?
I saw the way he blew through the draw and against some really good clay court players too. He was flying high from winning 2 straight Masters Series titles and just on fire, so what happens? Fed gets cocky in a press conference and just got a smack down from tennis' savior Rafa Nadal who if it weren't for him Fed would have complete and utter dominance over the tour. Well in a way he does dominate, except for that sole one person and he doesn't really care what comes out of his mouth because he knows that he fears him and cannot defeat him when the cards are down. He is tennis' version of the Kryptonite to Superman (Federer).
I saw the way he blew through the draw and against some really good clay court players too. He was flying high from winning 2 straight Masters Series titles and just on fire, so what happens? Fed gets cocky in a press conference and just got a smack down from tennis' savior Rafa Nadal who if it weren't for him Fed would have complete and utter dominance over the tour. Well in a way he does dominate, except for that sole one person and he doesn't really care what comes out of his mouth because he knows that he fears him and cannot defeat him when the cards are down. He is tennis' version of the Kryptonite to Superman (Federer).
VamosRafa
Hall of Fame
I think Roger is generally very respectful about Rafa. I was surprised about the one dimensional comment, but otherwise he has given total credit to Rafa and has shown his good sportsmanship.
And he has paid dearly for that comment, because every media article has picked up on how one-dimensional Nadal has been able to beat Fed again.
But can't blame Roger for trying to remain positive and saying he thinks he can beat Nadal. He isn't going to come out and say otherwise.
And I'm sure this is frustrating for him. He has no trouble with anyone else, and quite rightly so, knows that he rules the roost in any event he plays. The only sticky wicket is Rafa, and as many of us have been saying, thank goodness someone can give him a match.
And he has paid dearly for that comment, because every media article has picked up on how one-dimensional Nadal has been able to beat Fed again.
But can't blame Roger for trying to remain positive and saying he thinks he can beat Nadal. He isn't going to come out and say otherwise.
And I'm sure this is frustrating for him. He has no trouble with anyone else, and quite rightly so, knows that he rules the roost in any event he plays. The only sticky wicket is Rafa, and as many of us have been saying, thank goodness someone can give him a match.
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