Sampras on Rafter: why the dislike?

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Pat Rafter was one of the nicest guys on tour (at least I haven't heard anyone say otherwise) but he seemed to get up the nose of Pistol Pete more than any other player (even including Agassi).

"When I see him holding the US Open trophy, it pisses me off" was Pete's gracious response to Pat lifting that trophy for the 1st time and, when asked the difference between him and Rafter, replied "about 10 Slams".

Putdowns like this prompted Rafter to say, "That is what really upsets me about him and the reason why I try to **** him off as much as I can."

Anyone able to shed more light on why Sampras disliked Rafter so much? What were his views on that other Aussie he clashed with regularly, Leyton Hewitt? Was it Aussies in general or just Rafter in particular?
 

Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
I remember that bad blood and always suspected it was because Rafter didn't hit a huge serve like Pete did. He basically just came in on a kick serve and threw in a slice every now and then. I never saw him hit flat bombs or get many aces. His serve probably looked like a 3.5 to Pete and it got under his skin seeing this guy winning US Opens.
 

fundrazer

G.O.A.T.
Maybe he was jealous of Rafter's good looks and charming personality.

When I first read that "about 10 slams" comment that pretty much turned me off of Pete for good. Not that I was into tennis when he was playing, but I like watching old matches and Rafter is one of the guys that I've enjoyed a lot. I guess it got on Pete's nerves being compared to somebody that he was clearly better and more accomplished than, but there's absolutely no reason to put another player down like that. Maybe if the other player was an arrogant jerk, but Rafter certainly wasn't.

Now if only I could volley like Pat...
 

Gemini

Hall of Fame
Maybe he was jealous of Rafter's good looks and charming personality.

When I first read that "about 10 slams" comment that pretty much turned me off of Pete for good. Not that I was into tennis when he was playing, but I like watching old matches and Rafter is one of the guys that I've enjoyed a lot. I guess it got on Pete's nerves being compared to somebody that he was clearly better and more accomplished than, but there's absolutely no reason to put another player down like that. Maybe if the other player was an arrogant jerk, but Rafter certainly wasn't.

Now if only I could volley like Pat...

Pete, as Courier would describe him, was always a bit arrogant. I loved Rafter's response to the "10 slams" comment when he asked about it. After winning his 2nd US Open, he said " Well..it's only 9 now." or something to that effect.
 
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70後

Hall of Fame
I certainly do not believe Sampras disliked Rafter or that there was any real bad stuff between them. I remember the 10 slam remark was just a poor joke from Pete, some interviewer (Carillo?) asked him that on court, Pete said 10 slams, nobody laughed, Pete said he "felt like a schmuck" for saying that. I think Sampras is quite abrasive without quite realising it until it is too late. Bear in mind his life and maybe it is understandable. He definitely isn't a smooth talker and media schmoooooooooooze like Fed is.

some info :

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/sampras-the-rafter-hater.58699/
 

70後

Hall of Fame
Gauging social reactions and reacting appropriately is a skill perhaps not less difficult than serving and volleying.

Have you considered the possibility that Pete didn't mean it?
 

Rattler

Hall of Fame
Let's see, Rafter beat Sampras on a few occasions....I'm certain Pete doesn't think Pat's game should've stood a chance against his, which is why Pete in a very uncharacteristic way is less than sporting towards Pat.

Piling on, Rafter reportedly very popular in the locker room, with the media, with the fans....Sampras, not so much.

I don't agree, but I get it.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
I certainly do not believe Sampras disliked Rafter or that there was any real bad stuff between them. I remember the 10 slam remark was just a poor joke from Pete, some interviewer (Carillo?) asked him that on court, Pete said 10 slams, nobody laughed, Pete said he "felt like a schmuck" for saying that. I think Sampras is quite abrasive without quite realising it until it is too late. Bear in mind his life and maybe it is understandable. He definitely isn't a smooth talker and media schmoooooooooooze like Fed is.

some info :

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/sampras-the-rafter-hater.58699/

Still, that remark about him being pissed off at seeing Rafter holding the US Open trophy was pretty strong stuff. Didn't exactly scream affection.
 

KG1965

Legend
Still, that remark about him being pissed off at seeing Rafter holding the US Open trophy was pretty strong stuff. Didn't exactly scream affection.
I don't have the answer.

I can only imagine..
Pete was an asocial as Lendl, but the difference was that Ivan was very humble; the American felt the god of tennis, the GOAT for the 14 Grand Slam tournaments.

I don't think Pistol Pete was a bad person, just very introverted, shy, insignificant. So aggressive.

Rafter, who was a man, he knew.
He has forgiven him.
 

SinjinCooper

Hall of Fame
Rafter was beloved.

Pete, being a world class ********, was never liked by fans or opponents till the very end of his career.

It was straight jealousy, pure and simple. Pete tried to shoot back at him with the only ammo he had in his gun: professional success. But Pat had enough of it for himself, and was happy and well adjusted to boot. So Pete had nothing with which to hurt him.

Oh well.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
I think if Pete had just been an all-round a***hole, it wouldn't have been so notable as he probably would have had it in for other players as well but I've never heard of him doing this sort of thing to anybody else. Even with Agassi there was always respect however grudging.

Rafter seems to have been a one-off target for Pete's vitriol and, given that Pat was generally thought of as a nice guy by pretty much everyone else, Pete's dislike for him sort of stands out and seems very uncharacteristic and odd somehow.
 

KG1965

Legend
I think if Pete had just been an all-round a***hole, it wouldn't have been so notable as he probably would have had it in for other players as well but I've never heard of him doing this sort of thing to anybody else. Even with Agassi there was always respect however grudging.

Rafter seems to have been a one-off target for Pete's vitriol and, given that Pat was generally thought of as a nice guy by pretty much everyone else, Pete's dislike for him sort of stands out and seems very uncharacteristic and odd somehow.
I understand, for me Pete had a general problem of shyness, you see there a specific problem against an individual: Rafter.
I do not know.
I'd like to know.
 

TadDavis

Rookie
Some of these assessments are downright bizarre. I don't think Sampras would have made that statement if he hadn't been provoked in some way, maybe some locker room talk that got back to him. Can't always expect 2 guys who are competing for grand slams/#1 ranking to get along. Sampras was the type to use any slight or sign of disrespect as motivation (a la Jordan). He was a private guy, and largely misunderstood by the fans- I never got the impression he was arrogant or jealous of any other player on tour. Their beef was over before it began, blown out of proportion, and nothing compared to what goes on in other sports.
 
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Pat Rafter was one of the nicest guys on tour (at least I haven't heard anyone say otherwise) but he seemed to get up the nose of Pistol Pete more than any other player (even including Agassi).

"When I see him holding the US Open trophy, it pisses me off" was Pete's gracious response to Pat lifting that trophy for the 1st time and, when asked the difference between him and Rafter, replied "about 10 Slams".

Putdowns like this prompted Rafter to say, "That is what really upsets me about him and the reason why I try to **** him off as much as I can."

Anyone able to shed more light on why Sampras disliked Rafter so much? What were his views on that other Aussie he clashed with regularly, Leyton Hewitt? Was it Aussies in general or just Rafter in particular?
Sampras liked Hewitt.
 

snvplayer

Hall of Fame
Pat Rafter was one of the nicest guys on tour (at least I haven't heard anyone say otherwise) but he seemed to get up the nose of Pistol Pete more than any other player (even including Agassi).

"When I see him holding the US Open trophy, it pisses me off" was Pete's gracious response to Pat lifting that trophy for the 1st time and, when asked the difference between him and Rafter, replied "about 10 Slams".

Putdowns like this prompted Rafter to say, "That is what really upsets me about him and the reason why I try to **** him off as much as I can."

Anyone able to shed more light on why Sampras disliked Rafter so much? What were his views on that other Aussie he clashed with regularly, Leyton Hewitt? Was it Aussies in general or just Rafter in particular?

It's not so much about dislike / hatred towards the person. I believe this incident happened in 98 or 99 when Rafter was at his peak and actually beat Sampras. Sampras made the snarky comment "10 slams" during a post-match press after losing to Rafter, so I am sure it was prompted by ego and bitterness. I recall Rafter called him up afterwards and the two cleared the air. Sampras admitted it wasn't a class act on his part.
 

vive le beau jeu !

Talk Tennis Guru
It's not so much about dislike / hatred towards the person. I believe this incident happened in 98 or 99 when Rafter was at his peak and actually beat Sampras. Sampras made the snarky comment "10 slams" during a post-match press after losing to Rafter, so I am sure it was prompted by ego and bitterness. I recall Rafter called him up afterwards and the two cleared the air. Sampras admitted it wasn't a class act on his part.
good from pete.

i liked both and never understood why pete behaved like that, which was really uncharacteristic of him... but it's nice to read both of them "cleared the air" :)
2 amazing players...
 

dgold44

G.O.A.T.
Pat Rafter was one of the nicest guys on tour (at least I haven't heard anyone say otherwise) but he seemed to get up the nose of Pistol Pete more than any other player (even including Agassi).

"When I see him holding the US Open trophy, it pisses me off" was Pete's gracious response to Pat lifting that trophy for the 1st time and, when asked the difference between him and Rafter, replied "about 10 Slams".

Putdowns like this prompted Rafter to say, "That is what really upsets me about him and the reason why I try to **** him off as much as I can."

Anyone able to shed more light on why Sampras disliked Rafter so much? What were his views on that other Aussie he clashed with regularly, Leyton Hewitt? Was it Aussies in general or just Rafter in particular?

Most Americans never liked Sampras and to this day have mostly forgotten about him. We loved Connors and Agassi through with a passion !!!! 2 great fighters with extreme passion, flair and personality.
Sampras was dry and boring and MAC was mentally ill
 

galain

Hall of Fame
I've written on this before. I had a little contact with the Rafter family in the 90's when Pat was at his peak, although I had more to do with his brother and a couple of his sisters. The story I heard from his brother is that there are a couple of reasons for the enmity, but it started when Pat was fooling around in the locker room and farted in Pete's general direction. Sampras took that to be disrespectful (obviously never had much to do with Aussies and our sense of humour before).

Most Aussies - especially men in a locker room type atmosphere - would think taking offense at something like that is a little precious. And we don't like people who hold themselves better than others very much (does anyone?)- and by all accounts, Sampras did.

Then, when Pat beat him at some point, Sampras claimed it was due to (can't quite remember) - either an injury or being ill. Pat, who is typical of most Aussie sportsmen, criticised that, saying something along the lines of "if you're well enough to go on court and play, you shouldn't then blame your loss on not being well enough to play".
 

vive le beau jeu !

Talk Tennis Guru
(...)The story I heard from his brother is that there are a couple of reasons for the enmity, but it started when Pat was fooling around in the locker room and farted in Pete's general direction. Sampras took that to be disrespectful (obviously never had much to do with Aussies and our sense of humour before).

Most Aussies - especially men in a locker room type atmosphere - would think taking offense at something like that is a little precious. And we don't like people who hold themselves better than others very much (does anyone?)- and by all accounts, Sampras did.(...)
this "inside information" is...... interesting. :p

i'm sure another tennis legend, the well-known and well-respected sureshs, would have been able to appreciate the gazeous attention !
or maybe his highly competitive spirit would have led him to take it as a challenge... to demonstrate that the difference him in and pat is "more than 10 slamfarts" ? :eek:

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@Rusty Shackleford @Sentinel @stringertom
 
this "inside information" is...... interesting. :p

i'm sure another tennis legend, the well-known and well-respected sureshs, would have been able to appreciate the gazeous attention !
or maybe his highly competitive spirit would have led him to take it as a challenge... to demonstrate that the difference him in and pat is "more than 10 slamfarts" ? :eek:

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@Rusty Shackleford @Sentinel @stringertom
Normally this kind of antics (farting in the locker room) is considered a mild type of psychological warfare. In Sureshs's case, it takes a much more serious character, because he elevates it to full-scale biological warfare.
 

snvplayer

Hall of Fame
I've written on this before. I had a little contact with the Rafter family in the 90's when Pat was at his peak, although I had more to do with his brother and a couple of his sisters. The story I heard from his brother is that there are a couple of reasons for the enmity, but it started when Pat was fooling around in the locker room and farted in Pete's general direction. Sampras took that to be disrespectful (obviously never had much to do with Aussies and our sense of humour before).

Most Aussies - especially men in a locker room type atmosphere - would think taking offense at something like that is a little precious. And we don't like people who hold themselves better than others very much (does anyone?)- and by all accounts, Sampras did.

Then, when Pat beat him at some point, Sampras claimed it was due to (can't quite remember) - either an injury or being ill. Pat, who is typical of most Aussie sportsmen, criticised that, saying something along the lines of "if you're well enough to go on court and play, you shouldn't then blame your loss on not being well enough to play".

lol, I can totally see this fart incident from happening. Apparently he did that to Agassi and Brad Gilbert as well.

 

snvplayer

Hall of Fame
good from pete.

i liked both and never understood why pete behaved like that, which was really uncharacteristic of him... but it's nice to read both of them "cleared the air" :)
2 amazing players...

After Rafter gased into the air, it definitely need to be cleared lol.
I think all of us vulnerable to our own egos and let it affect us. These guys are all competing against each other, and they need certain degree of ego to believe they are better than the others.
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
I thought Pete's comment was hilarious. Back then being buddies in the locker room wasn't seen as conducive to competing for the biggest trophies. Today the winners follow Fed's lead.
 

Gizo

Hall of Fame
Sampras trashing the locker-room after that 1998 Cincy final sounded pretty shocking.

He was in lousy mood all day. He had won the 1st set 6-1 and I think Rafter had offered to his racket to a ball-kid. Rafter was already pretty popular anyway but that move, coupled with the fact that the paying public wanted to see a more competitive match after a one-sided 1st set, got the crowd firmly on Rafter's side. Sampras was out-raged that this opponent was getting more support than him in his own country.

Then there was that over-rule on match point, followed by Sampras's behaviour in the locker-room and his famous quote in the press conference.

Given that men's tennis received a lot of criticism in the 90s for behind boring, even from many US based sources such as Sports Illustrated and the New York times, it's no surprise that the media really want to hype up all this tension.
 

mattennis

Hall of Fame
What I remember:

In the 1997 US OPEN, Sampras lost to Korda in R16 in an extremely close match ( 6-7 7-5 7-6 3-6 7-6 ) and Rafter won the tournament (against Rusedski in the final), his first GS title.

At that point in time their head-to-head was something like 8-1 for Sampras (Rafter winning their very first match, IIRC). Few days after the tournament Sampras said that that loss to Korda was painful (Korda playing out of his mind as he usually did twice or thrice every year) because he was playing good tennis that year and that had he defeated Korda in that very close match, he felt he would have won the tournament.

Possibly Rafter didn't like that comment. Then came the "fart" incident.

After the 1995 Davis Cup final in Russia where Sampras won the three matches that he played, defeating Chesnokov and Kafelnikov on a watered down clay, he very rarely put a big effort in Davis Cup matches anymore, but in 1997 few weeks AFTER that USOPEN, USA played against Australia in the Davis Cup SF, on outdoor hardcourts, and Sampras wanted to play to show Rafter (and the rest of the world) who the nº1 player in the world really was.

Sampras defeated Rafter 6-7 6-1 6-1 6-4 showing an amazing level in large parts of the match (and then defeated Philippoussis 6-1 6-2 7-6 playing extremely well again).

Shortly after, he faced Rafter again in the final of the (then) very prestigious Grand Slam Cup and Sampras won again by 6-2 6-4 7-5 (the way Sampras returned serve and hit passing-shots in these matches.....was top level Sampras).

They faced each other again in The Masters (now called WTF) and Sampras won again 6-4 6-1 (eleventh consecutive victory for Sampras in their head-to-head). It seemed Sampras wanted badly to tell the whole world that he would have destroyed Rafter had he been able to play against him in that USOPEN final (had he NOT lost to Korda in that amazingly close match).


Then, in 1998 they faced each other in the Cincinnatti final. As someone said above, Sampras was just destroying Rafter, hitting perfect returns-of-serve and perfect passing-shots both from the forehand and the backhand side, winning the first set by 6-1. During the second set, I think Sampras was one break ahead but then lost it, and then at 4-4 he had a break-point, but Rafter made a second-serve ace that Sampras let the ball pass by, he thought it was out, but said nothing in that moment.

Then they went to a tie-break and Rafter won the second set. The crowd was clearly behind Rafter and Sampras was kind of pissed because of that. Suddenly a match that was clearly his, was now an open battle against a relentless warrior with the crowd (American crowd) behind. To top it all, the match was decided on a very controversial ace by Rafter (very similar to the ace he made to save that break-point at the end of the second set) and Sampras at that moment was clearly losing it.

After that match I think it was when he said "the difference between us is 10 GS titles" when asked. He possibly thought he was clearly commanding that match and only lost it because of "random adverse factors" (bad luck, controversial calls, shame crowd,....,whatever :) ).

Then of course came the 1998 US OPEN and they faced in the SF. This was a very close match. Sampras was winning two sets to one, when he injured his leg. He continued playing but ended up losing the fourth and fifth sets.

Rafter defeated Philippoussis in the final (winning his second US OPEN) and then Sampras said "When I see him holding the US Open trophy, it pisses me off", implying that had he not got injured at the end of the third set, nobody would have stopped him and that title would have been his.

Even if possibly right, you cannot say that. It is very disrespectful both to Rafter and Philippoussis, and Sampras looked like a sour loser and everybody was at the time kind of surprised because of this sudden strange behavior of Pete.

Pete and Rafter talked by phone later on and cleared things out, and Sampras never lost to Rafter again.
 

jrepac

Hall of Fame
What I remember:

In the 1997 US OPEN, Sampras lost to Korda in R16 in an extremely close match ( 6-7 7-5 7-6 3-6 7-6 ) and Rafter won the tournament (against Rusedski in the final), his first GS title.

At that point in time their head-to-head was something like 8-1 for Sampras (Rafter winning their very first match, IIRC). Few days after the tournament Sampras said that that loss to Korda was painful (Korda playing out of his mind as he usually did twice or thrice every year) because he was playing good tennis that year and that had he defeated Korda in that very close match, he felt he would have won the tournament.

Possibly Rafter didn't like that comment. Then came the "fart" incident.

After the 1995 Davis Cup final in Russia where Sampras won the three matches that he played, defeating Chesnokov and Kafelnikov on a watered down clay, he very rarely put a big effort in Davis Cup matches anymore, but in 1997 few weeks AFTER that USOPEN, USA played against Australia in the Davis Cup SF, on outdoor hardcourts, and Sampras wanted to play to show Rafter (and the rest of the world) who the nº1 player in the world really was.

Sampras defeated Rafter 6-7 6-1 6-1 6-4 showing an amazing level in large parts of the match (and then defeated Philippoussis 6-1 6-2 7-6 playing extremely well again).

Shortly after, he faced Rafter again in the final of the (then) very prestigious Grand Slam Cup and Sampras won again by 6-2 6-4 7-5 (the way Sampras returned serve and hit passing-shots in these matches.....was top level Sampras).

They faced each other again in The Masters (now called WTF) and Sampras won again 6-4 6-1 (eleventh consecutive victory for Sampras in their head-to-head). It seemed Sampras wanted badly to tell the whole world that he would have destroyed Rafter had he been able to play against him in that USOPEN final (had he NOT lost to Korda in that amazingly close match).


Then, in 1998 they faced each other in the Cincinnatti final. As someone said above, Sampras was just destroying Rafter, hitting perfect returns-of-serve and perfect passing-shots both from the forehand and the backhand side, winning the first set by 6-1. During the second set, I think Sampras was one break ahead but then lost it, and then at 4-4 he had a break-point, but Rafter made a second-serve ace that Sampras let the ball pass by, he thought it was out, but said nothing in that moment.

Then they went to a tie-break and Rafter won the second set. The crowd was clearly behind Rafter and Sampras was kind of pissed because of that. Suddenly a match that was clearly his, was now an open battle against a relentless warrior with the crowd (American crowd) behind. To top it all, the match was decided on a very controversial ace by Rafter (very similar to the ace he made to save that break-point at the end of the second set) and Sampras at that moment was clearly losing it.

After that match I think it was when he said "the difference between us is 10 GS titles" when asked. He possibly thought he was clearly commanding that match and only lost it because of "random adverse factors" (bad luck, controversial calls, shame crowd,....,whatever :) ).

Then of course came the 1998 US OPEN and they faced in the SF. This was a very close match. Sampras was winning two sets to one, when he injured his leg. He continued playing but ended up losing the fourth and fifth sets.

Rafter defeated Philippoussis in the final (winning his second US OPEN) and then Sampras said "When I see him holding the US Open trophy, it pisses me off", implying that had he not got injured at the end of the third set, nobody would have stopped him and that title would have been his.

Even if possibly right, you cannot say that. It is very disrespectful both to Rafter and Philippoussis, and Sampras looked like a sour loser and everybody was at the time kind of surprised because of this sudden strange behavior of Pete.

Pete and Rafter talked by phone later on and cleared things out, and Sampras never lost to Rafter again.

Pistol Pete? More like "Pissy Pete." Seriously, he was not a very gracious loser. Probably because he lost so RARELY. His comments re: Pat were pretty rude, I thought at the time. Churlish and petty. Rafter won 2 USOs, fair and square. Injuries are part of the game. If you are hurt and show up to play, well so be it...you do your best and don't say "if I wasn't hurt, I would've won." You certainly don't try to diminish the accomplishment of your opponent, that's for sure. Remember Borg in USO '78? Infected thumb clearly left him at a disadvantage against a very eager Jimmy Connors. To this day, Borg has never claimed the injury caused his loss. Class act.
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
displacement. rafter appeared right when pete got annoyed by the press, he took it out on the budding serve & volleyer
 

TheRed

Hall of Fame
It should be pointed out that it was Sampras' arrogant opinion and not a given that he would win the 1997 us open if he defeated korda. That year, Rafter beat Agassi and absolutely destroyed Chang in the semi's so he certainly was playing at a very high level. Rafter didn't have a good record against Sampras but he was the type of player that could trouble Sampras. Sampras always liked to play to his own pace and Rafter was in some ways able to disrupt that because his kamikaze style of net play wouldn't allow Sampras to dictate pace on his serve and on return, to hang out at the baseline and win a game here and there by picking his spots to go big. The problem for Rafter was that he had very average groundstrokes and was a terrible returner. If he even had an average return game, I think he would've had a pretty solid record against Sampras.
 

TennisCJC

Legend
I don't think Pete would be a lot of fun to hang out with. Rafter would have been more fun.

I saw Pat Rafter on video say his nick name was "stinky". Maybe that was after the fart bomb he dropped on Pete.
 

suwanee4712

Professional
Usually it's the ladies who are prone to make catty comments in the heat of the moment or soon after a close battle. But the truth is even these successful, professional people slip up and say something they regret when a microphone is in their face. Sometimes they are feeling defensive and let a little dig slip out that probably hurts them more than helps them.
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
I think Pete found Pat to be in his face with the way he S &V his way past him. It's about the competitive nature of the 2 guys and I'm sure Pat wan't backward in coming forward when it came to a bit of banter on court either. Both guys are not the Angels many think they are despite the good public relations they are able to exhibit to the public.
When it comes to image management some guys do a good job and others not so.
 

FedBeckRas

Rookie
Pete was thin-skinned. He could have nine things good said in his favor but would harp on one thing negative said about him. When Rafter came into his own and was getting media attention Pete felt slighted. Rafter was charismatic and people liked him which was something 14 slams couldn't garner for Pete. I was at 1997 Davis Cup Semifinal and Pete definitely had a certain disdain for Rafter.
 

carpedm

Rookie
I just came from the Australian Open. While I was there, I found several pick-up games. People there were really, really nice and if you’re not a jerk, you can find many a hit.

As you’d imagine, it wasn’t hard to get players to have a beer. And after I begged them to talk about anything but our politics ( I even tried to get them to talk about their politics!), I asked about why Sampras and Rafter didn’t like each other ( if it indeed was true ) - from the Aussie perspective.

Their inside word: people were quick to say Rafter, Hewitt and for a period Phillipoussis really didn’t like Sampras for the most obvious reason: he won their Australian Open. He also did it twice and as one person pointed out, “playing a superior version of an Aussie game.”

If you take it from these former player’s perspective, here’s a guy who comes to their country and grabs the biggest prize they’ve been dreaming about all their lives. Every second-serve ace, every running forehand winner, every backhand volley put a nail in the coffin of their dreams. And to do it with the envy and respect from Australian elders made it even tougher on them. They wanted to be the first Australian to win Oz in decades, but with Sampras in people’s minds someone already had.

I countered: Rafter and Hewitt ended up doing pretty well, even winning a few US Opens between. I was actually surprised by the homegrown criticism ( it was almost Murray-esque), but a New Zealander with a computational way of playing the game noted the numbers. Aussies love their history, and Sampras stood in the annals taller with the math - both away and home.

I did ask about Sampras taking himself too seriously when Rafter was playing around in the locker room - a story I read about here. Of course no one could speak much about that because none of us were there, but a few guys were quick to say one shouldn’t dismiss the Aussie competitiveness.

Aussie athletes are notorious for being fiercely, almost compulsively laid back off the battlefield. They put a lot of effort into it - as in I should consider the possibility that it’s manufactured. And if you take an affront to it, they’re quick to make it less about them and more about you. The faster they can paint you as full-of-yourself, the faster they can demonized you for it under a moral superiority. It’s kind of a cultural thing going back to the British or something. But it’s often used to find a competitive advantage or fuel competitive energies.

To be fair, I found virtually none of this when I played with people so you take with a grain of salt. I did find one-guy to be a passive-aggressive ****** but you can find that anywhere.

The prevailing thought is Rafter is more liked, but much of the recent Aussie players have been more embarrassments than anything else. Flipper gets a little bit of love because people think he’s a nice guy, but there’s really not a lot of love to Hewitt ( too demonstrative ) and the current crop just pisses everyone off.

Their words.
 
Pat Rafter was one of the nicest guys on tour (at least I haven't heard anyone say otherwise) but he seemed to get up the nose of Pistol Pete more than any other player (even including Agassi).

"When I see him holding the US Open trophy, it pisses me off" was Pete's gracious response to Pat lifting that trophy for the 1st time and, when asked the difference between him and Rafter, replied "about 10 Slams".

Putdowns like this prompted Rafter to say, "That is what really upsets me about him and the reason why I try to **** him off as much as I can."

Anyone able to shed more light on why Sampras disliked Rafter so much? What were his views on that other Aussie he clashed with regularly, Leyton Hewitt? Was it Aussies in general or just Rafter in particular?

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/sampras-hewitt-was-a-victim-of-his-time.383859/
 
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Fedfan34

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I remember that bad blood and always suspected it was because Rafter didn't hit a huge serve like Pete did. He basically just came in on a kick serve and threw in a slice every now and then. I never saw him hit flat bombs or get many aces. His serve probably looked like a 3.5 to Pete and it got under his skin seeing this guy winning US Opens.
Rafter was arguably a level above Pete in terms of volleying ability.
 
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