Sampras, the Rafter-hater?

Tenny

Professional
It's strange. Generally Sampras was cool on court. But he seemed to have some feeling against Pat Rafter. At least in the match (1998 US open) I saw he looked so. When asked what's difference between him and Patrick, he answered "? mojors" something like that. When he won a point, he almost cheered like a child, which we saw very rarely. Patrick Rafter doesn't seem like a guy who'd annoy other players. Can anyone enlighten me: What's it between them? Was Sampras jealous or something??? Mysterious. :confused:
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
I think Rafter was a good sportsman and respectful of his opponents, but I seem to remember that Rafter said something in a press conference that Sampras took exception with. i think it was just a misunderstanding that passed. I do remember that Rafter implied that playing Sampras (returning his serve) was so brutal that it was likely what blew out his shoulder..i would say that was quite the compliment.
 

Kevin Patrick

Hall of Fame
The whole thing was blown out of proportion. Some Australian reporter tried to stir up trouble & both players eventually called each other to apologize.
The 90s/2000s were/are a very boring time for pro tennis in terms of off-court drama, so the media/fans blow up every little minute detail that would have gone unnoticed in the 80s.

tenny, the 1998 US Open match was very highly anticipated(partly due to the men's game having no rivalry that excited the public at the time)
Sampras was just animated for a big match at the US Open. I gather you haven't seen many Sampras matches, but he did show emotion in big matches (esp those in the latter part of his career)
He was just trying to pump up the crowd, I think you're reading to much into it.
 

oscar_2424

Legend
Tenny said:
It's strange. Generally Sampras was cool on court. But he seemed to have some feeling against Pat Rafter. At least in the match (1998 US open) I saw he looked so. When asked what's difference between him and Patrick, he answered "? mojors" something like that. When he won a point, he almost cheered like a child, which we saw very rarely. Patrick Rafter doesn't seem like a guy who'd annoy other players. Can anyone enlighten me: What's it between them? Was Sampras jealous or something??? Mysterious. :confused:

yes sampras was jealous of rafter's hair
 

Kevin Patrick

Hall of Fame
He was snippy after he got a bad call on match point at '98 Cincinnati vs Rafter.
During the '98 US Open SF, Sampras pulled his hamstring when he was up 2 sets to 1. He couldn't move at all the last 2 sets & Rafter won easily.
After the match Rafter made a comment that he wasn't getting enough credit for beating Sampras (because of the overrule on match point in Cincinnati & the injury at the US Open)
None of this was really an issue until summer '99, when Rafter made some comments about Sampras that were unflattering(something like Sampras isn't popular with the other players). A reporter repeated them to Sampras, who was surprised. Rafter then called & apologized.
Plus there was tension between the US & Australia in Davis Cup that summer. Sampras was on the team in a doubles only capacity when the 2 countries played each other. The tried to substitute Sampras in for Todd Martin shortly before Rafter(which Rafter was quite upset about) was scheduled to play martin. I'm sure that was a contributing factor in his comments later in the summer.

I also think Rafter was a bit insecure around '98. McEnroe publicly stated that he thought Rafter was a one slam wonder. That was the first thing he mentioned after winning the '98 US Open.
 

alfa164164

Professional
Sampras did say that it bothered him to see Rafter hoisting the US Open trophy in victory. I guess Sampras felt that he or some other American should be holding it.
 

35ft6

Legend
alfa164164 said:
Sampras did say that it bothered him to see Rafter hoisting the US Open trophy in victory. I guess Sampras felt that he or some other American should be holding it.
I doubt it. He didn't seem to have any problems with hoisting up England's biggest trophy on 7 separate occasions.
 

ShooterMcMarco

Hall of Fame
Tenny, I think what you heard was when a reporter asked sampras what the difference is between him and rafter, sampras said "8 grandslam titles" ouch!
 

Delta

New User
I remember that there was some tension building up, at least from the media reports, between Pete and Pat.

One thing was that Pete never accepted the defeat of 1998 Cincinatti final. Pat sealed the game with his serve, which Pete thought was fault. Pete went on to bash tournament officials about it at the press conference that, if I remember it correctly, he even went on to comment "that line person(it might have been tournament director or someone who's in responsible post) must have been on drug or something" kind of statement.

And Pat made a comment(probably led by press) about Pete's attitude, and he made "he doesn't act like champion, he never admits defeat" type of comment.

This led to Sampras to make infamous comment he made when he was asked the difference between Pete and Pat's play style; he answered "10 Grand Slams."

I wasn't aware that they apologized to each other, but I do remember there was some tension mounting between them around '98 Open.

BTW, when Pat was asked at press conference to comment on McEnroe calling him One Slam Wonder, he answered "That is pretty well summed up."
 

armand

Banned
Kevin Patrick said:
He was snippy after he got a bad call on match point at '98 Cincinnati vs Rafter.
During the '98 US Open SF, Sampras pulled his hamstring when he was up 2 sets to 1. He couldn't move at all the last 2 sets & Rafter won easily.
After the match Rafter made a comment that he wasn't getting enough credit for beating Sampras (because of the overrule on match point in Cincinnati & the injury at the US Open)
None of this was really an issue until summer '99, when Rafter made some comments about Sampras that were unflattering(something like Sampras isn't popular with the other players). A reporter repeated them to Sampras, who was surprised. Rafter then called & apologized.
Plus there was tension between the US & Australia in Davis Cup that summer. Sampras was on the team in a doubles only capacity when the 2 countries played each other. The tried to substitute Sampras in for Todd Martin shortly before Rafter(which Rafter was quite upset about) was scheduled to play martin. I'm sure that was a contributing factor in his comments later in the summer.

I also think Rafter was a bit insecure around '98. McEnroe publicly stated that he thought Rafter was a one slam wonder. That was the first thing he mentioned after winning the '98 US Open.
My memories are in a little bit of conflict with yours:
In that 1998 US Open semifinal, Pete hurt himself(his groin, not hamstring) sometime during the 2nd set. It was so subtle that only Rafter himself noticed that Pete was a little slower than usual.
I don't get your last paragraph either. Rafter was insecure in 1998 even after having won the US Open in the previous year? Just because of Mac's comments?
 

Kevin Patrick

Hall of Fame
I guess I saw a different match. Through the first 2& 1/2 sets, the atmosphere was great, the tennis was great. Sampras was up a break in the 3rd, & clearly hurt himself. After the injury timeout, he couldn't move, the crowd got quiet. The commentators said it was a shame that injury might affect the outcome. He still managed to serve out the 3rd set. After that, he was only able to be competitive on his own serve, he hardly moved the rest of the match.

you can read player transcripts at asapsports.com

Q. Did you have any conversation with Pete either right after the match or in the locker room? If so, what conversation did you have?

PATRICK RAFTER: Well, right after the match probably wouldn't have been a good time. I just saw him as he walked back and I walked out here. He was very complimentary to me. So, you know, it was very nice of him to say. As I said, it's a big occasion. And he was genuinely hurt. There's just not much he can do about it, this probability of injury.

Q. Do you players have to contend with this all the time? Does it have a humbling effect at all?

PATRICK RAFTER: Well, we do -- there are certain occasions when thhese sort of things do happen. I noticed the injury. I knew he was going to fight on because he's got such a great serve and he could put down some big serves. It was up to me to try and make those returns. Even though he was injured, he could still serve well enough. And that was a pressure on me to make sure that I hold my serve. Because if he got on top and he got a sniff of getting back into the match, I felt like I would have been in a lot of trouble.
 

Kevin Patrick

Hall of Fame
Q. Could you describe what happened on the injury for us, take us through it, how it felt?

PETE SAMPRAS: Well, it happened at 4-2 in the third. I'm not sure what the score was in the game. Hit a backhand volley, landed on my left leg and basically I pulled my quad. You know, it kind of shocked me a little bit. And then I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to continue to play. Got some treatment on it, whatever. And the adrenaline was really the only thing that was keeping me going. It was just bad luck, you know. It was just bad luck.

Q. How did it hamper your movement?

PETE SAMPRAS: Well, anytime I put any amount of serious weight on my left side, it was giving me problems. I couldn't really put a lot of weight on it and push off.
 

rommil

Legend
ShooterMcMarco said:
Tenny, I think what you heard was when a reporter asked sampras what the difference is between him and rafter, sampras said "8 grandslam titles" ouch!
I remembered that interview. Seemed to me that when Sampras said it he kind of expected that people would find it witty and then nobody really reacted to it. There was a weird silence and then Sampras said he was a "schmuck" for saying that.
 

Yours!05

Professional
Here is Rafter's account of his relationship with Sampras. I've heard a lot more elsewhere, consensus being Pete didn't like Pat playing in his yard, taking his home title.
"both players eventually called each other to apologize" - Pat called.
Full transcript here:http://www.abc.net.au/tv/enoughrope/transcripts/s1358528.htm

ANDREW DENTON: Who are the players you couldn't stomach on tour?

PAT RAFTER: Um, I had a bit of a problem with Rios. He was one guy you'd sort of - you'd be in an elevator of all places and say g'day to and he'd just look at you. And you sort of go, "Where did that come from?" So you sort of look the other way. It's a long, you know, 10 storeys up in an elevator. He was a strange cat.

ANDREW DENTON: Yeah.

PAT RAFTER: Sampras and I had our run-ins, but we'd always talk.

ANDREW DENTON: Yeah, because you did have a little bit of niggle happening there. What was that about?

PAT RAFTER: I just found in '97 I got Pete two or three times in that particular year, and then I won the US Open. And I think it was then - no, I didn't beat him in '97, maybe I didn't, but I won the US Open and he felt like I'd taken the title away from him or something. I've got no idea. And then he got his back up a little bit in that Davis Cup. We played him in a semi-final in Washington. I don't know what happened then. Then I wasn't afraid of him anymore, and so then I would sort of voice my opinion. In '98 I beat him in the finals of a tournament, a big tournament in America and he came in and smashed a few things around and...

ANDREW DENTON: Pete smashed things?

PAT RAFTER: He smashed a lot in the locker room. Yeah, he lost it. Then he said something in an interview, and I just said, "Oh, he's just a big baby. Just cop it on the chin" or something like that. And I beat him in the US Open later on in the semi-finals. He said, "I had a sore knee." I said, "Oh, when is this guy going to give me any credit for beating him?" And then the media sort of went on that, and then played it up and took a few misquotes out of the ordinary. I rang him up once, when there was something totally wrong was said, and I just said, "Pete, listen, that wasn't what I said."

ANDREW DENTON: I did not say that you caused the invasion of Poland. When you say you rang him up, I would imagine that's not a regular thing to do. Was that a hard thing for you to do?

PAT RAFTER: Yeah, it was a little bit, because he would have heard what was said, not really what was said, but what was taken completely out of context. I didn't want to face him knowing that, you know, he was really going to dislike me and I don't like people disliking me. It's going to happen, but if I can avoid it I will.

ANDREW DENTON: So how was the conversation? Was it awkward?

PAT RAFTER: I just rang him up and said, "G'day, Pete. It's Pat here." And he just said, "Pat who?"

ANDREW DENTON: You said "Benatar".

PAT RAFTER: No, no, didn't go like that. We just sort of had a bit of a chat and he just said, "No worries, mate." Oh, not "no worries, mate", but whatever he was saying.

ANDREW DENTON: He said, "I've got a sore knee; get off the phone."

PAT RAFTER: Something along those lines.
 

armand

Banned
KP: Looks like we were both incorrect about the injury. I clearly remember him having to leave the court during his injury time out because he had to remove his shorts and they even got a glimpse of him recieving treatment in his underwear. So I thought it was his groin.
But I still contend that the injury wasn't serious. I mean, that's why they were talking about it so much because hardly anyone noticed. And just looking at the final score, no one would guess there was an injury.

Yours!05: Thanks for the link, it was a very interesting interview. That story about the Pope was highly hilarious as well.
And throwing a tantrum during a match and his father had to come pull him off was really funny too. The end of that anecdote was GOLD.
 

callitout

Professional
Thanks Yours. That's really cool. I never wouldve picked Pete as one who was smashing things in the locker room, but it just shows that there's a public and a private persona to all these guys.
 

Rafter4ever

New User
It was the '99 Cincy semifinal where Pete served a bomb and went right through Rafter's racquet, breaking the string. This caused Rafter to have Rotator cuff problems. 6 weeks later, Rafter lost to Pioline in the First round of the US OPEN when he had to quit play, down 0-1 in the fifth set 'caus of the pain in the shoulder suffered from Pete's serve. (To date, he is the only defending US Open Champion to lost in the first round, Pete was also hurt that year and didnt play either) He had shoulder surgery and made it back to tour in 2000 where he made his comeback at Delray Beach, FL.

In the 2000 WIMBY final, Rafter had won the first set tiebreak against Pete, and was up 4-1 in the second set tiebreak with him serving, and eventually lost both of his serves, and the set, subsequently the final, where Pete broke Emerson's record.

I was never was a Pete fan, Rafter didnt have the bombs like Pete, but his kick serves are more than enough to give anyone fits. When Agassi had to return serves at his eye level, you know them balls are kicking....
 

tHotGates

Rookie
U.S. OPEN; Rafter Overcomes a Hobbled Sampras


By HARVEY ARATON
Published: September 13, 1998
A muscle in Pete Sampras's tightly wound body thwarted him yesterday, as did the man fast becoming the rival most people have wished for Sampras to have. Hampered by an injury to his left upper leg, Sampras succumbed to Patrick Rafter in a five-set match that had a greater sense of inevitability than a grand sense of climax.

Unlike his quarterfinal here two years ago, when he overcame violent stomach spasms to outlast Spain's Alex Corretja, Sampras was fighting a brave but losing battle this time. The strain of his quadriceps near the hip ultimately kept him from competing on balls hit to his left, and the opponent -- the United States Open's defending champion -- was too much the athletic serve-and-volleyer to let an opportunity like this one slip by. Rafter won by 6-7 (8-10), 6-4, 2-6, 6-4, 6-3.

''He didn't look really healthy at all,'' Rafter said. ''I thought he might have been sick, but he was still hitting big serves.''

The serve was Sampras's only chance, but it was not enough to prevent his first loss in six Open semifinals. Rafter moved on to face the hard-serving Mark Philippoussis, who ousted Spain's Carlos Moya, 6-1, 6-4, 5-7, 6-4. Thus, two Australians will play in a United States Open final for the first time since Ken Rosewell defeated Tony Roche in 1970, while safeguarding Roy Emerson's record of 12 Grand Slam titles from Sampras, at least until the Australian Open next year.

''It's pretty disappointing, but you've got to move on,'' Sampras said after walking gingerly into the interview room. ''This U.S. Open is the last major of the year. I've got to find some motivation to go to Europe.''

Sampras had won the first set in a rousing 10-8 tie breaker, before his net game deserted him and Rafter squared the match. In the first game of the third set, Sampras landed awkwardly after a volley, straining the muscle, an injury similar to one he had had before.

''Things were going pretty well to that point,'' he said. ''It kind of shocked me a little bit.''

After holding his serve for 1-0, Sampras left the court for what was presumed to be a bathroom timeout. But as the set continued, it became apparent that Sampras was laboring, even as he was breaking Rafter in the fourth game on a backhand return down the line off a first serve.

His movement became more and more mechanical, and any sudden turn left seemed to bring a grimace. After Sampras held serve for a 5-2 lead, he went off again, and this time did not reappear until the three-minute waiting period was counted off rather deliberately.

While Rafter was sitting calmly in his chair, Sampras was receiving frantic treatment from Doug Spreen, the ATP Tour trainer. Massage. Heat. A wrap. Stretching. A pain reliever. It all helped Sampras come back out to break Rafter at 15, Sampras going for the bombs, the short points, as much as he could.

''Any weight on my left side, it was giving me problems,'' Sampras said. ''After the injury, I just had to go for it.''

The longer the match went on, the worse Sampras looked. He dropped his serve in the first game of the fourth set, Rafter knowing that just getting the ball in play, keeping it low, would be too much for his ailing opponent. The courts were playing fast enough to allow Rafter to focus on getting his first serves in, getting to the net, keeping his volley angled, not allowing a stationary Sampras to take big swings.

Sampras, whose serving actually improved as the match went on, was unable to win a point against Rafter's serve until the Australian was serving for the set. By that time, Rafter knew all he had to do was to keep his concentration to insure his second straight Open final.

In the fifth set, Rafter again reached break point in the first game, at 30-40, with a backhand pass. Sampras then served out wide, and Rafter sliced his backhand cross court. Not only was he slow covering the net, Sampras did not even bother to step or bend in the direction of a ball he desperately needed to return. The match ended similarly, with an upright Sampras eyeing a Rafter backhand pass up the line.

So the Open final will proceed without its four-time champion, whose only consolation is that he will keep the world's No. 1 ranking. Rafter can pull directly behind Sampras by defeating Philippoussis, whose relationship with Rafter had been strained over Philippoussis' reluctance to play early-round Davis Cup matches.

''We've always been speaking, but, obviously, it wasn't as warm as it was in the past,'' said Philippoussis, who is trying to become the second unseeded player (after Andre Agassi in 1994) to win the Open.

Just when it appeared that Philippoussis' new-found maturity was about to dissipate along with a slew of break-point opportunities, the 21-year-old Australian regained the ability to punctuate his big game with an exclamation point.

Philippoussis, one of three players to have recorded a serve over 140 miles an hour, hit 21 aces yesterday, the first of which whistled past Moya at 132 m.p.h. But the more telling number was the 67 percent first-serve percentage that the 6-foot-4-inch, 200-pound Philippoussis got in, winning 63 of those 74 points. He tore through the first two sets in 51 minutes and later admitted he felt like ''no one can beat me.''

''His serve was too good today,'' said Moya, who was the first Spaniard to reach the Open semifinals since the tournament switched surfaces from synthetic clay to hardcourt in 1978. ''The lowest serve is 100 miles, even the second serve.''

In the third set, knowing he had to change tactics, Moya demonstrated that he is more than the standard stay-on-the-baseline Spaniard. He began to attack the net, with success. In the 10th game, after Moya served his way into a 0-40 hole, he managed to save four break points. Philippoussis was clearly upset with himself, and, at 30-30 on his serve, he double-faulted, going for a second serve that was clocked at 117 m.p.h. Then, on set point against him, he went for another big second serve and double-faulted again.

''I'm only 21 years of age,'' Philippoussis said, somewhat sheepishly.

Though Moya ran a string of 10 consecutive break points saved into the fourth set, Philippoussis got the break he needed in the seventh game when he returned a backhand off a second serve down the line, and Moya hit a lunging forehand volley into the net.

All that was left was the wait for Philippoussis to serve out the match, then wait for his mate to join him in the final. For Rafter to defend his title, and Roy Emerson's record, as well.


Edit: I didn't check the date on this thread. 2 years, wow.
 
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quest01

Hall of Fame
I think Sampras was pissed off from the match he had with Rafter after losing the Cincy final in 1998. This was the match where there was a controversial line call on match point by the line judge and Pete ended up saying the F word 4 times in disappointment of the call.
 

Gundam

Semi-Pro
There is definitely something in Pete's mind. Didn't he recently say something like "some guys have to work TOO hard to win, Rafter comes to mind as an example" in comparison with Federer? :)
 

fastdunn

Legend
It's strange. Generally Sampras was cool on court. But he seemed to have some feeling against Pat Rafter. At least in the match (1998 US open) I saw he looked so. When asked what's difference between him and Patrick, he answered "? mojors" something like that. When he won a point, he almost cheered like a child, which we saw very rarely. Patrick Rafter doesn't seem like a guy who'd annoy other players. Can anyone enlighten me: What's it between them? Was Sampras jealous or something??? Mysterious. :confused:


Sampras was furious over an umpire's overrule on a match point (which subsequently resulting in declaration of Rafter's win, in a match in Cincinatti).

That bugged him for quite a while. It wasn't really against Rafter. Of course, reporters like to take people's quote out of context creating controversey (sensationalism)..
 

Phil

Hall of Fame
Sampras was furious over an umpire's overrule on a match point (which subsequently resulting in declaration of Rafter's win, in a match in Cincinatti).

That bugged him for quite a while. It wasn't really against Rafter. Of course, reporters like to take people's quote out of context creating controversey (sensationalism)..
I remember that point; Sampras was actually swearing at the ump. Never seen him so angry. It was an overrule on MATCH POINT and the call was WRONG (at least from where I sat, the serve looked long). Rafter handled Sampras well that year, but Sampras got the monkey off his back next year by demolishing Rafter.
 
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laurie

Guest
I put this match on youtube last year from 1998 Cincinnati final.

So here's Rafter serving for the match with the overule at the end

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIWfzp60YCo

And Rafter's on court interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B45f2WRwSfQ

And Sampras putting the hole through Rafter's racquet, this is a clear video. This is from the rematch a year later, the 1999 Cincinnati final

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fdvr-8Yt5E

At the end of the 1999 final Sampras stops Rafter to have a word at the net, presumably about their differences

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0txVkCCXns

I think Sampras had an issue with Rafter before 1998. He murdered Rafter in the 1997 Davis Cup semifinal (which I also put on youtube) and it seems he felt Rafter wasn't quite worthy of a US Open title at the time, the commentators made a reference to that point, that Sampras felt he lost the US Open title (in 1997) and was very upset with himself, and basically took it on Rafter! which Rafter would never mention now in an interview. At the beginning of the 1998 Cincinnati final, Cliff Drysdale said that Sampras feels that the US Open is his title and Rafter must prove himself to Sampras. But in the end, Sampras was forced to respect Rafter more because after Sampras beat Rafter 8 straight times, Rafter presented a legitimate challenge to Sampras in the late 1990s and early noughties. It still ended 12-4 to Sampras but Rafter won 3 straight matches between 1998 and 1999.
 
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