Should Clay Court Tennis Become Its Own Sport?

Should Clay Court Tennis Be Made Into Its Own Sport?

  • No. Empower baseline grinders and render obsolete all court attackers and shotmakers.

    Votes: 18 60.0%
  • Yes. Make a clay court tennis federation and force players to choose which league to join.

    Votes: 3 10.0%
  • Abolish clay court tennis altogether.

    Votes: 9 30.0%

  • Total voters
    30

TTMR

Hall of Fame
There are many different varieties of tennis out there: Real tennis, lawn tennis, table tennis, platform tennis. They are all forms of tennis yet respectable in their own right. They have their own leagues and their own specialists who excel within that particular tennis framework. A real tennis player is not asked to play lawn tennis, a table tennis player is not mandated to play platform tennis, and so on.

Yet, for some reason, tennis played on mud, which once again is a vastly different game requiring a completely unique skill set, is imposed on lawn tennis players trained and specialized in genuine lawn tennis. Lawn tennis, the same tennis played on hard courts, promotes a player born with or adapted to certain proclivities: a powerful serve, a big, dominating forehand, a one-handed backhand, a slice or chip return, crisp, clean volleys, flat, penetrating groundstrokes and early ball-striking. This kind of tennis is known for its artistry and all-court players. Its short, exciting points enthrall the crowd and attract viewers.

Meanwhile, clay court tennis promotes a different kind of player, a kind of player unable to succeed playing the above kind of tennis: a weak serve, slow, loopy groundstrokes, an effective return, a two-handed backhand, no net game and an allergy to advancing to the fore of the baseline. This kind of tennis produces singular and one dimensional players, known for brutish physiques and predictable game patterns. Its long, repetitive points attract marathon viewers and Tour de France fanatics, but bore the general public and conventional sports fans at large.

For a long time, clay court players skipped much of the remaining tennis season. They couldn't handle it because they play a different, lesser breed of tennis. Even the most successful of clay court players, like Nadal, only obtain the most minuscule of accomplishments off their favoured surface. There is little diversity among clay courters such that clay courters are essentially a minor league with one great player who dominates from year to year there. A monotonous tedium that knows no bounds.

Why then are we lawn tennis fans subjected to this entirely different game for three months of the year? We pay to see aces and winners, not point construction and unforced errors. The Nadals, the Almagros and the Chelas don't want to play our game, as evidenced by their schedules, and we don't want to see theirs. So, why do we?

End the forced homogenization of tennis. It's time for independence, for clay court tennis to sink or swim on its own and its champions not to be placed on the same pedestal with the legends of the turf.

Thoughts?
 
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ollinger

G.O.A.T.
Perhaps for those three months of clay tennis season you could come out of the basement, call on a friend, visit a museum, consult a therapist.....
 

t135

Professional
I'd prefer to see the us open go to green clay, Wimbledon back to fast grass, and Australian a medium speed hard court.

Then Asia a blend of fast medium and slow hard courts. Europe indoors fast to medium speed.
 

Akubra

New User
You're vastly exaggerating the differences and underplaying the level of overlap.

I suck at singles clay, but am very good on hard courts and grass. I used to skip the clay court futures events because, to me, they were a waste of time. But here's the thing... I grew up in a part of Australia where clay courts simply didn't exist. It was never a part of my consciousness growing up - I never hit on it, never learned to adapt my movement to it, and had zero experience.

Could I learn to play on clay? Absolutely. I think clay court tennis teaches many valuable skills that purely hard-court players often neglect. It can encourage a well-rounded game. To call them different games is absurd, and I'd be a better tennis player as a whole today if I'd played on clay courts, even a moderate amount, growing up.
 

Praetorian

Professional
If you make the argument for Clay court, then it would have to apply to the other surfaces won't it. So a federation for indoor, HC, etc. etc. Personally, I think they should add (or bring back) more variety in the courts. Instead of slowing down HC, and grass; bring them back to their original glory and SPEED. Add more indoor and grass tournaments. The courts should add variety to a person's game, instead they are catering the courts so that in order to be a top prop one has to have the baseliners game.
 

matchmaker

Hall of Fame
This might be the most stupid thread I have ever seen. Maybe we should turn American hardcourt tennis into a sport of its own, so it becomes isolated from the rest of the world. After all if you don't want to play on continental European clay, there is not much left. We can then have regional competitions instead of ATP. What about the lawn tennis league of United Kingdom? Great idea.Tennis wouldn't get any coverage anymore on television. It would be the first sport that deliberately tries to stop globalization, to stop the best from competing with the best.
 

3fees

G.O.A.T.
Must be kidding, clay court is a staple in tennis even though in these United States its not the dominant surface,B. Borg said it best the problem with players here is that they have little to no clay court experience thus when playing International players that play on it all the time they have no home court advantage.
 
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Laurie

Guest
Like most Brits I never payed much attention to claycourt tennis in the 1980s and early 1990s. There were hardly any claycourt tournaments on TV and French Open finals were not always exciting.

Two things got me into claycourt tennis in a big way:

1. Gustavo Kuerten, I loved watching his game on clay, played an aggressive game which was great to watch.

2. Womens tennis, back then women players more or less played their game regardless of the surface, like the men do now. Watching players like Mary Pierce, Hingis and Henin play on clay was great fun.

Since then I went to the French Open six years in a row and have played on both red and green clay.
 

hersito

Rookie
There are many different varieties of tennis out there: Real tennis, lawn tennis, table tennis, platform tennis. They are all forms of tennis yet respectable in their own right. They have their own leagues and their own specialists who excel within that particular tennis framework. A real tennis player is not asked to play lawn tennis, a table tennis player is not mandated to play platform tennis, and so on.

Yet, for some reason, tennis played on mud, which once again is a vastly different game requiring a completely unique skill set, is imposed on lawn tennis players trained and specialized in genuine lawn tennis. Lawn tennis, the same tennis played on hard courts, promotes a player born with or adapted to certain proclivities: a powerful serve, a big, dominating forehand, a one-handed backhand, a slice or chip return, crisp, clean volleys, flat, penetrating groundstrokes and early ball-striking. This kind of tennis is known for its artistry and all-court players. Its short, exciting points enthrall the crowd and attract viewers.

Meanwhile, clay court tennis promotes a different kind of player, a kind of player unable to succeed playing the above kind of tennis: a weak serve, slow, loopy groundstrokes, an effective return, a two-handed backhand, no net game and an allergy to advancing to the fore of the baseline. This kind of tennis produces singular and one dimensional players, known for brutish physiques and predictable game patterns. Its long, repetitive points attract marathon viewers and Tour de France fanatics, but bore the general public and conventional sports fans at large.

For a long time, clay court players skipped much of the remaining tennis season. They couldn't handle it because they play a different, lesser breed of tennis. Even the most successful of clay court players, like Nadal, only obtain the most minuscule of accomplishments off their favoured surface. There is little diversity among clay courters such that clay courters are essentially a minor league with one great player who dominates from year to year there. A monotonous tedium that knows no bounds.

Why then are we lawn tennis fans subjected to this entirely different game for three months of the year? We pay to see aces and winners, not point construction and unforced errors. The Nadals, the Almagros and the Chelas don't want to play our game, as evidenced by their schedules, and we don't want to see theirs. So, why do we?

End the forced homogenization of tennis. It's time for independence, for clay court tennis to sink or swim on its own and its champions not to be placed on the same pedestal with the legends of the turf.

Thoughts?

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hersito

Rookie
This might be the most stupid thread I have ever seen. Maybe we should turn American hardcourt tennis into a sport of its own, so it becomes isolated from the rest of the world. After all if you don't want to play on continental European clay, there is not much left. We can then have regional competitions instead of ATP. What about the lawn tennis league of United Kingdom? Great idea.Tennis wouldn't get any coverage anymore on television. It would be the first sport that deliberately tries to stop globalization, to stop the best from competing with the best.

They did that with Rugby, they play "football". They don't like football. They think because in all america there are no clay courts everyone else should play hard court, and they don't know what they are missing.

Here in argentina 90% if not more of the courts are clay courts, most of the people wont play on hardcourts because you get injured way more than in clay. Ill take a picture of my club next time, 12 clay courts y hard court, no one ever plays on the hardcourt, they can only get people on it if there is no other court available and ven so some people would just walk away to look for a clay court.

Many of the people bashing claycourts in this forum either never played on clay or are federer fans and just want to bash every other player. its really annoying.
 

syc23

Professional
I love tennis and that the game is played on different surfaces - they all bring their challenges. OP quite your whining and admit this is yet another Nadal hatin' thread.
 

TTMR

Hall of Fame
a clay tour would have lower viewership than the WTA. Just abolish it altogether.

It might become a niche sport shown Saturday mornings on tape delay. I figure it could serve as something of a minor league for genuine tennis, a place for journeymen and washouts to ply their trade while in career training for their inevitable futures in auto and insurance sales.

Praetorian said:
If you make the argument for Clay court, then it would have to apply to the other surfaces won't it. So a federation for indoor, HC, etc. etc. Personally, I think they should add (or bring back) more variety in the courts. Instead of slowing down HC, and grass; bring them back to their original glory and SPEED. Add more indoor and grass tournaments. The courts should add variety to a person's game, instead they are catering the courts so that in order to be a top prop one has to have the baseliners game.

I'm not sure if that is a question due to erroneous punctuation, but if so, I would contend that it would not apply to other surfaces. Movement on grass and hard court is not particularly dissimilar, and both kinds of courts principally reward big, heavy, brawny shotmaking (think Marat Safin and early Andy Roddick) and sublime finesse (Roger Federer, John McEnroe). Hard courts have been slowed down to aid clay courters, players with weak topspin shots who levy moonballs from the stands and run around all day like its Bay to Breakers. With clay courters consigned to another league, as I propose, there would only be incentive to speed up hard courts again.

matchmaker said:
This might be the most stupid thread I have ever seen. Maybe we should turn American hardcourt tennis into a sport of its own, so it becomes isolated from the rest of the world. After all if you don't want to play on continental European clay, there is not much left. We can then have regional competitions instead of ATP. What about the lawn tennis league of United Kingdom? Great idea.Tennis wouldn't get any coverage anymore on television. It would be the first sport that deliberately tries to stop globalization, to stop the best from competing with the best.

You're equating clay court tennis with 'the best' tennis. I've already established that clay court tennis is an inferior brand, as evidenced by the French Open lagging in terms of ratings compared to traditionally fast super-events Wimbledon and the US Open. Most people just don't want to watch two marathon men launching curveballs into the sky. The ATP and ITF should recognize this fact and work to decertify current clay court tournaments and disqualify points obtained by players who have participated in those events. Let Ion Tiriac and Rafael Nadal deal with the clay tournament mess and liberate the Federers and Tsongas to thrive in the restored splendor of grass, carpet, concrete and wood.
 

jaggy

Talk Tennis Guru
What a legend. Top 3 in the GOATNESS behinfd Nostradamus and fedace who are completely seperate personalities (within the same mother ship).
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
I can't take this much sarcasm. OP is way over my head. Too cool. Please stop.

Indeed, OP is mercilessly beating up on us poor *******s with his keen intellect and rapier wit.

It hurts so much, If only he'd take pity on us and stop I'd even go so far as to never again imply he's a whiny, tunnel visioned, butthurt passive-agressive Nadal fanboy (he's clearly nothing of the sort).
 
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