Silent tennis, noisy changeovers

Mark-Touch

Legend
I'm watching Navarro - Fett right now.
How is it physically possible for neither player to make even the tiniest sound as they serve/hammer away at the ball from all parts of the court?
Can someone please explain how this is possible?

Also, when did they start the custom of blaring loud music during the changeovers? Year/match?
Why not continue it during the games if it's so enjoyable?
I feel sorry for the players and crowd that have to endure it. At least I can mute my speakers.
 

Break To Win

Semi-Pro
I'm watching Navarro - Fett right now.
How is it physically possible for neither player to make even the tiniest sound as they serve/hammer away at the ball from all parts of the court?
Can someone please explain how this is possible?

Also, when did they start the custom of blaring loud music during the changeovers? Year/match?
Why not continue it during the games if it's so enjoyable?
I feel sorry for the players and crowd that have to endure it. At least I can mute my speakers.


Congratulations, you are brave for watching this match.
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
I'm watching Navarro - Fett right now.
How is it physically possible for neither player to make even the tiniest sound as they serve/hammer away at the ball from all parts of the court?
Can someone please explain how this is possible?

Also, when did they start the custom of blaring loud music during the changeovers? Year/match?
Why not continue it during the games if it's so enjoyable?
I feel sorry for the players and crowd that have to endure it. At least I can mute my speakers.
They started it at 1994 New Haven, it took a while for it to catch on at other events. Agassi kind of blasted the event for doing it( I remember his post match interview well -he was like “why not just play music during the match as well!” He was pretty angry about it)
This controversy was talked about on nightly sports highlight shows and the anchors were amused that Agassi of all people, who of course was a controversial, untraditional tennis player with flashy clothes, commercials etc would be Mr Traditional etc. you can probably find clips of his interview on YouTube. There are probably also articles from NY Times online about this as well.

Having followed the game pretty closely for a long time, there have been a lot of changes that I never would have imagined becoming the norm today.
 
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Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
he was still being asked about it at USO a few weeks later:


Q. Andre, the music aside, do you feel that gimmicks -- there is a place in tennis for like music, something other than that, is there anything that they can do to juice up the game?

ANDRE AGASSI: My whole issue had nothing to do with defending what I want out there. It had to do with stepping up and giving my opinion on behalf of the game quite honestly. I think to build up to what the event is, I mean, the attraction why people are coming there is because of tennis; if we feel we have to give them, besides tennis anything -- if we have to bring in some kind of magic show on the changeover; if we have to bring in some kind of, you know, models to walk around with score cards, I mean, things like that, I mean, it is just not -- it is not respecting the game. I think to do pregame shows and like in New Haven they did a couple of great things there, I felt, like they had the M. C. down on the court; they had the crowd ask some questions. I like that. They had the crowd involvement. A lot of people were a lot more involved than I have seen in anyplace, and those are good for the game because it highlights what they are there for. It doesn't take people away from the reason why they came. And so my bone to pick with the music is specifically in behalf of the game and not anything else.


Q. So why is tennis different from all these other sports that have the music? Even during the action in basketball games and indoor soccer games or things, they play music during play, they have race car engines roaring in Indianapolis while the Pacers are trying to concentrate making baskets down court; why is tennis different from those?

ANDRE AGASSI: You know, quite honestly it is the game that we always, you know, when you grow up playing a game a certain way, I mean, I think in some ways there is answers, like the people walking around and they say, well, in basketball you shoot the free throw and people are waiving stuff, but you know, what they forget is the basket is not moving. The ball is moving and you are trying to watch the ball and you got people walking behind. That is something I don't feel good about. You have to concentrate on the ball and that ball is moving everywhere. I think the music and tennis versus other sports, it could be just as simple as we have never had it and people aren't responding to it in a way that I feel is good. I was playing that match out there; I really felt like people had no sense of the fact that I was down a break a serve; then I turned the match around; now we are going into the third set. It took away a whole environment. It felt like an exhibition match I have been a part of a lot of times and that is something that I can't -- I can't answer specifically. I can only say that I am -- I don't like the feeling that it creates out there. You know, I just think that if we are going to make changes, we need to make changes on what we can do to help people enjoy the game and be more a part of the game, not take them away from it. And I do feel like like-- oh, forget it, I lost my train of thought.


Q. A couple of players have told me that the ATP didn't necessarily consult the players--

ANDRE AGASSI: That is exactly what I was going to say.


Q. -- when they went through the rule changes. Is that a real problem with you guys now? Do you feel like you should have had a hand vote or a voice vote on everything they put through?

ANDRE AGASSI: That is right. I think the most important thing is that you can do is talk to the players who are involved and talk to them; find out what they want and it is one thing to just enforce-- you know, the ATP is supposed to be, you know, the players' Tour. This is supposed to be the players Tour and I think everyday that I am a part of it I am realizing more and more how that is -- that is not the case. I mean, not only did we not vote on the music; when I asked if we can get the music turned off, we couldn't. And I don't understand that. So I wish we had a say so in it, and now Andre Medvedev is now on the board and he has been asking a few of the top players about 20 different questions and I sat down with him and answered them, what we think we should do about how much time between points; how much time between games, you know, the serves; what can we do to help the game and there is a lot of different things out there that I think now, we are starting to have a say so in, but that spectacle there in New Haven, nobody voted on it.


Q. You talk before about concentration during the Open and maybe you can tune out some things a little bit more here. Do you have a different level here than, let us say, New Haven and maybe you had a little harder time tuning out the music there?

ANDRE AGASSI: No. No. Again I want to say this has nothing to do with me tuning out the music. We can do anything. I mean, and force us to tune it out and eventually we are going to do that because playing tennis is what we do. I am not saying they shouldn't have music because it distracts me. I am saying we shouldn't have music because it isolates the people from what it is they are there for. Totally pulls them out of the match. You can't even -- by the time you get up and go back to serve, you know, you have no idea on really what took place the past two games; you have totally lost the whole momentum of the match, and I want to make it very clear, and listen to me, I can block out the music. It is not a problem on behalf of the playing. Eventually -- I don't think it is great for the players, but we can do that. It is what is best for the game - that is the platform that I am speaking from.
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
In 1994 at the New Haven Volvo Open, the ATP tour was experimenting with a new way to make the sport more attractive to the general public: blasting music from the loudspeakers during changeovers. One of the first tennis stars to play in these new conditions was Agassi, who faced world No 113 Siemerink in his first match. At the time, the Vegas native was ranked No 18 and having just claimed a Masters 1000 title at the Canadian Open in Toronto, he was the heavy favorite in the encounter.

At first, Agassi tried his best to adjust to the new ATP experiment. He had even selected his intro song (“The way we were”, by Barbra Streisand). Soon though, he showed signs of irritation. His concentration was distrubed, and the distress was soon visible. After a couple of games, Agassi complained to the chair umpire and had the supervisor called on court, only to learn that the music would not be turned off. Miffed about the conditions, and the official rebuttal of his request, the 1992 Wimbledon champion was upset by Siemerink in three sets, 6-3, 3-6, 6-3.

Although he had lost, Andre Agassi’s performance at the Volvo Open was not finished in the least: brutally honest in the press conference, he went on the attack.

“It’s an embarrassment,” Agassi said, according to worldtennismagazine.com. “It’s a joke. If any other tournament does this, I would quit tennis before I would go out there and be a part of that. And that’s no exaggeration. It drove me nuts. (…) It’s a question of what they are doing to the sport. This is a sport. You come out here and you take pride in what you do. If these people aren’t here to watch tennis, they shouldn’t come at all.”

 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
"When a golfer hits the ball, you're almost not allowed to breathe; honestly I don't think it's the greatest idea," said Becker after polishing off his opening-round match just before rain stopped the music, and the play. "It doesn't belong in tennis. Nobody likes it. It's something that doesn't fit. I don't think anybody comes to a tennis match to listen to songs."

"This is not World War III," said Mark Miles, head of the ATP Tour, which has actively embarked on a campaign to bring fans closer to the game. "The jury's out on music, on how it should be used. If it creates a problem and doesn't have an upside, we shouldn't do it."

But Miles said tournament officials were well within their rights to turn a deaf ear to Agassi's pleas to have the plug pulled on the music during his match.

"We don't allow an individual player to decide how the sport should be staged," he said. "We've heard his opinion. I don't know how widespread it is among the players. We want to be relentless but respectful in finding ways to move the game forward in its appeal to the fans, but we don't like initiatives which detract from the quality of play."

Miles said he was particularly stunned that the innovative and irreverent Agassi, of all people, was unable to face the music here.

"If anything, he's willing to be innovative," said Miles.

The tournament director Jim Westhall, informed by the ATP Tour staff that he could abandon the experiment if he was worried it might alienate players, said he planned to keep the music coming as planned.

"But we've turned it down," he said.

Take it from Chuck Adams, who chose Boston's "More Than a Feeling" as his intro-music yesterday before losing to Petr Korda, who selected "Cuts Like a Knife" by Bryan Adams.

"The whole thing's a little bit lame," said the playing Adams. "I didn't see anyone dancing in the aisles saying thank God there's music. I think the tennis has to speak for itself."


 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Seems funny that Agassi of all people should have been so upset about this though I guess he had a point.

Nowadays music during changeovers is the norm. Nobody gives a damn. Mr. Adams might be surprised to see that some fans do indeed dance whilst the music is playing! :cool:
 

Mark-Touch

Legend
Seems funny that Agassi of all people should have been so upset about this though I guess he had a point.

Nowadays music during changeovers is the norm. Nobody gives a damn. Mr. Adams might be surprised to see that some fans do indeed dance whilst the music is playing! :cool:
I'm glad you jumped in Mainad.
If music is so great, why doesn't the mother of all tournies (Wimbledon) have it?
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
I'm glad you jumped in Mainad.
If music is so great, why doesn't the mother of all tournies (Wimbledon) have it?

Oh puleese, this is Wimbledon!!! :cool:

BTW, I didn't say it was great having music just that it was the norm nowadays for most events and nobody seems to mind unless it gets too loud.
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
Another thing Agassi complained about was video replay on Arthur Ashe stadium in the early years. I think he made them turn it off. Now it's the norm(and they go even further now - they play the entire match in real time up there, since you can't really see anything up there - its like watching TV I guess) They do the same in Indian Wells. This would have been unthinkable in 1995.

Really there are million things today that would have caused almost all the 70s/80s players to go crazy over(can you imagine Mac and Lendl agreeing to an interview before they go on court for a USO final?) The new generation grew up with all this noise so it doesn't bother them I guess.
 

Mark-Touch

Legend
Another thing Agassi complained about was video replay on Arthur Ashe stadium in the early years. I think he made them turn it off. Now it's the norm(and they go even further now - they play the entire match in real time up there, since you can't really see anything up there - its like watching TV I guess) They do the same in Indian Wells. This would have been unthinkable in 1995.

Really there are million things today that would have caused almost all the 70s/80s players to go crazy over(can you imagine Mac and Lendl agreeing to an interview before they go on court for a USO final?) The new generation grew up with all this noise so it doesn't bother them I guess.
Good one. Mac for one would have given them the finger and said "Get lost buddy!"
 
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