Very very good point and one that I have raised several times on this forum. 1 handed BH videos on the Internet do not address the high ball and the jamming ball issue, and show only sunny-day scenario balls being hit.
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Try hitting a 1HBH with something other than a continental grip, and you will not find it so difficult. FYI, high balls are no walk in the park even with a strong 2 hander.
ok, shoulder sounds fair enough.... so why can't we find 1 clip in the public domain showing people how to hit it... i think the answer is the gurus don't know how.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lajT4Vgw1ss#t=46s
here Stan hits one right about eye level (!!).. the link above with a junior girl hitt a bunch at eye level...
what is the difference between the 2 motions of Stan and the girl.... and what are the consequences of such difference?
arguably the biggest disadvantage for 1hbh is time.... time required to prepare.... time you can afford on the european clay.. you can stand back and take a big cut.
time you cannot afford on hard courts.
I think that your response lacks support...
imo the girl has been taught an obsolete form... text book maybe, but obsolete.
if you go frame by frame, her racket face is never closed at the power position (borrowing a term from xtsf)... it closes on the way up to meet the ball... this is the definition of a flip... also the 'text book' finish with no wrist release confirms that.
Stan - face already closed at the power position, therefore he can rip the shot as hard as possible without losing control... his finish with racket tip pointing to the back fence with the face still looking at the same angle as at the power position confirms that.
this is why most recs struggle with this shot.... they pay $60 - 100/ hour for instruction from some old fart who hit the old text book shot, and then they come into a match and get killed because the shot is flawed.
The secret is to notice (without paying for a lesson) what the old fart coach does on a high ball. He probably slices, or moonballs it with some side spin. That is what you should learn from him.
Watch some more of xtsf's video's he teaches the one-handed backhand and I believe he hits one himself. Yes, you are right Stan's great preparation closes his racket face. The girl in the video has good prep as well and she hits a sound backhand. It's not as explosive as Stan's but whose is? She hits the ball better than 99 percent of people at the rec level, and she looks like she has all the fundamentals right.
this is why most recs struggle with this shot.... they pay $60 - 100/ hour for instruction from some old fart who hit the old text book shot, and then they come into a match and get killed because the shot is flawed.
I dunno...
I suspect a good slice hit at 5.5 level is totally effective.
Ever try to volley a hard sliced ball that is low and stretches you out? It's not that simple. I remember lots of A/Open guys used only slices.
But that is a lost art nowadaze.
As Martina N said, 'the two hander is just a more secure shot'.Something I've been pondering for the last couple of days, so I thought I'd put it out there to the coaches (and others) on the forum...
With the advent of Mini Tennis, Quickstart, Hotshots, Play+Stay etc etc why do we not teach single handed backhands at Red (I am, of course, using 'we' as a gross generalisation!) All the traditional reasons for not teaching single handed at that age (Red ball is 8&u) are taken away by the mini tennis system, yet the vast majority of coaches still teach 2 hands without fail.
I am considering an experiment!
What are your thoughts?
Cheers
Ash
A couple weeks back I watched McEnroe beat Courrier on the Senior tour. With the antiquated grips and lower takeback, the more old time players have smaller strike-zones, but they compensate by timing the ball well: either backing up or taking the ball early.
the 'old style' is almost an mirror image of the classic fh... addressing the ball with the strings (borrowing Oscar's terminology), staying sidways, swing forward thru the ball, no/little supination, smaller strike zone (knees to about chest high).... it's not flawed in the context of the old equipment, but it is flawed with 100 in2 rackets.
new style - addressing the ball with the leading edge, swing path is up the ACROSS the ball (therefore stance opens up at impact), supination, bigger strike zone (up to about eye level).
Federer's bh actually shows subtle shift to the new style from his ps85 days to his frame today.... there are a couple of public vids - his 2001 wimby match vs. Pete, and his junior match vs. Agassi....... he shows less supination back then due to the limitation of the ps85.
As Martina N said, 'the two hander is just a more secure shot'.
I think she is right, especially when it comes to returning a 200kmh + serve.
I think that is why most coaches teach this shot rather than the 1 hander. Size and strength is also an issue in the juniors.
McEnroe is still playing great tennis, but honestly I'd be surprised if he could legitimately take a set off Courier unless he hasn't been hitting much. Courier might have let Mac have a few too many opportunities to look good, and then couldn't pull out the set. Perhaps it was best for the business that Mac take one once in awhile. Maybe Mac really did it. I don't know, but generally Courier has the pace to break Mac's game.
The funny thing about this is that many Europeans seem to privilege the one handed backhand when they are much likelier than their American counterparts to play on red clay where bounces are peculiarly high and, rallies, likely to last.
arguably the biggest disadvantage for 1hbh is time.... time required to prepare.... time you can afford on the european clay.. you can stand back and take a big cut.
time you cannot afford on hard courts.
that's the point... the posture.... requires time to get there..
honestly i have not found 1 clip in the public domain that really address the issues 1hb players face - open stance, high balls being 2 of them.... every guru shows a couple of shots at waist high
ok, shoulder sounds fair enough.... so why can't we find 1 clip in the public domain showing people how to hit it... i think the answer is the gurus don't know how.
this is why most recs struggle with this shot.... they pay $60 - 100/ hour for instruction from some old fart who hit the old text book shot, and then they come into a match and get killed because the shot is flawed.
Most rec players struggle with the one-handed backhand because they never learned the proper fundamentals. Perhaps you could tell us what the new fundamentals are, and why the old model is flawed.
You do realize Federer was taught his one-handed backhand by an Australian ex-player and coach with textbook fundamentals right? There will always be older players passing down knowledge of the game to the younger players. No one has reinvented the wheel when it comes to the one-handed backhand.
early prep, clean contact, staying with ball etc.... that's a gimme for any shot.
I am pointing out the intrinsic flaw in the old style, in the fact that you can't hit above chest without flipping.
up and ACROSS is not glancing blow... WW FH is up and across also.
why is this so hard for people to get it.... WW FH is widely accepted, why is the 1hbh any different?
who is the poster child of the new generation 1hbh? Dimitrov
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uVCOQY50OA
is his any different from lendl, edberg, sampras, becker? it will take a blind person not to see it.
True about fundamentals, BUT the modern pro stroke is different from the "textbook"/"old farts" in a few key ways.
1. Most important is grip. Too many books/videos/pics encourage the use of an Eastern "pistol" grip, where the player is holding the racket like a steak knife.
Pros, on the other hand, tend to hold the handle more like the handlebars on a mountain bike, with their fingers more bunched together and with their heelpad further behind the handle. The gives the grip a more "extreme" feel.
Do an internet comparison of textbook "eastern grips" and what the pros actually do. There's usually a huge difference.
Also look at the link I posted above, which shows the grip I'm talking about.
I think most the problems with high balls that rec players have come from a bad grip.
2. Shoulder turn. Textbook says shoulders should always be perpendicular to the net at contact (and probably at follow through). But the players with some of best backhands (especially on high balls) tend to open up their shoulders significantly. This includes Wawrinka, Gasquet, Haas, Almagro, Henin, and Mauresmo, and more.
The extra shoulder turn really helps on high balls. I think this is because it flattens the swing trajectory.
Lastly, Fed does not have a textbook 1hbh. He may have learned textbook, but (like his forehand) it evolved into something completely different:
Fed doesn't straighten his arm until very late in his swing. This is why he can generate so much rackethead speed from a relatively small motion. This is what gives his 1hbh a "wristy" and "whippy" motion that commentators noticed (and were somewhat suspicious of) when he first came on the scene.
So Fed's stroke is neither like the textbook nor like other 1-handers.on tour.
Dimitrov has all the fundamentals. Very similar backhand to Becker. They use the same grip, and have similar prep, contact, and follow-through. What is the "intrinsic flaw in the old style" that you are pointing about obliquely but not describing in a concrete manor???
1hbh was always more natural for me, and although through fooling around I can now hit a two hander, my one hander is much more natural and frankly, a lot better. Although many people who are stuck with one handers have bad one handers, for some people it is natural and through time/experience/a lot of hardwork it will no longer be a weakness. Frankly I do lose most points off my backhand wing b/c players at the D1 level are able to exploit it well, however it is certainly not a weakness. My forehand is simply better, and I often times hit winners or create opportunities with my backhand. There is no real reason to advocate teaching one or two imo, simply what the kid is more comfortable with. Perhaps the two hander is more suitable for today's baseline game, however it is not so much of an advantage that it's necessary teaching a two over a one. Whilst 90% of the top 100 use two handers, the number 10 and 2 player in the world both use a one hander. The number 2 being the greatest player of all time in my opinion. I always had a one hander, and once I started training seriously at a young age with top coaches in the area, they decided against teaching me a two hander because my one hander was very good. Now if it wasn't so good, and I was clearly struggling with it, a two hander might have been a better idea.
NOT similar follow-through at all..
Dimitrov's body language tells you he is not trying to hit thru the ball... he is yanking to the right, resulting in that finish where the racket tip almost hit his upper arm.
what is the difference between the 3 balls in a row FH and the WW FH? just apply the answer to the bh side.
Look at how long his follow through is and how far in front he follows through before the racket comes around. Notice how he extends his opposite arm, in order to break his torso rotation. On forehands players fold the opposite arm in to aid rotation much like a figure skater. You are confusing one-handed forehands and backhands and clearly do not know how to hit a one-handed backhand.
Supinated finish, like Fed.
ClintThompson used it also, as did MOP.
but but...
I was raised watching Vilas' backhand, open finish...
I paused the video and watched. Dimitrov makes beautiful square clean contact with the ball on the BH.
I dunno...
I suspect a good slice hit at 5.5 level is totally effective.
Ever try to volley a hard sliced ball that is low and stretches you out? It's not that simple. I remember lots of A/Open guys used only slices.
But that is a lost art nowadaze.
i don't think support is needed.... you can hit open stance 2hbh by default... and you only hit 1hbh open stance in emergency...
open stance = less prep time.
ok.... 1hbh is basically a left handed ww fh, if your face grows on the back of your head and your nipples and belly button grows on your back lol
so, your power comes from the back muscles....
You mean the front shoulder