Sinner Tsitsipas post match discussion

[Thedesertfox]

Sinner and Tsitsipas. Pretty good match imo. Sinner had him on the ropes the whole match(except 5th set, where Tsitsipas raised his level). It is a pity that Sinner did not convert more break points, 4 out of 26 I think? Is very very very bad. 5th set was poor from Sinner, too many unforcies esp. From his forehand wing.
Still Sinner put up one hell of a fight
Tsitsipas' performance was relatively good, his FH was on fire, but he offered too many Breakpoints, which is a recipe for disaster against players like Novaxx. Tsitsipas BH was terrible as usual.
Overall i d give this match 7 or 8 out of 10. Shall Tsitsi raise his level a bit, he can win this AO.
And Sinner needs to convert more BP s

 

[Poisoned Slice]

I'd say Tsits had Sinner on the ropes for the whole match but I don't know **** about tennis.

 

[Thedesertfox]

I'd say Tsits had Sinner on the ropes for the whole match but I don't know **** about tennis.

And yet here you are on the tennis forum.

 

[tennis_pro]

Tsitsipas played well, Sinner choked as always.

When points for game and mental toughness were distributed Sinner put 100% in his game and 0% everywhere else. Verdasco seems more mentally tough than he is.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

And yet here you are on the tennis forum.

Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

 

[Thedesertfox]

Tsitsipas played well, Sinner choked as always.

When points for game and mental toughness were distributed Sinner put 100% in his game and 0% everywhere else. Verdasco seems more mentally tough than he is.

Sinner did not choke. He did not even lead in this match. Not only once. Tsitsipas was a good clutch player today and Sinner unfortunately wasted unnecessary break points.

 

[McGradey]

Tsitsipas’s forehand is absolutely lethal when he’s seeing it as well as he was tonight, and for some reason he seems to just love playing against Sinner.

I was impressed with Sinner’s improvement compared to the same match played last year, he reached a high level in sets 3 & 4, but Tsitsi is still the better player, with the better serve — the gap is closing though by the looks of tonight.

 

[Thedesertfox]

Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

You are most welcome my friend. Text me if you need anything

 

[Thedesertfox]

Tsitsipas’s forehand is absolutely lethal when he’s seeing it as well as he was tonight, and for some reason he seems to just love playing against Sinner.

I was impressed with Sinner’s improvement compared to the same match played last year, but Tsitsi is still the better player, with the better serve — the gap is closing though bu the looks of tonight.

Sinner has improved his serve, FH needs a little improvemt and break point conversion .

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Maybe I'm wrong once again. So many break points for Sinner but so many saves.

 

[Thedesertfox]

Maybe I'm wrong once again. So many break points for Sinner but so many saves.

Let s give Tsitsipas some credit here. He managed to save many BP s in a superb fashion.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Then we get to the fifth and Tsitsipas starts dominating again.

 

[tennis_pro]

Sinner did not choke. He did not even lead in this match. Not only once. Tsitsipas was a good clutch player today and Sinner unfortunately wasted unnecessary break points.

He's possibly the most mentally frail top 5/10 player I've ever seen and I've seen Verdasco, Gasquet and crew.

 

[McGradey]

Sinner has improved his serve, FH needs a little improvemt and break point conversion .

He hit a lot of meek errors tonight, which proved fatal. It was almost like he was trying to play too safe on the big points, but playing safe doesn’t come naturally to him. He played far better when trusting his usual aggressive strokes.

 

[Thedesertfox]

He's possibly the most mentally frail top 5/10 player I've ever seen and I've seen Verdasco, Gasquet and crew.

You are kidding right. Being just 21 years old and he has already turned around god knows how many matches. Take a look at PCB x Sinner match, miami 2022.

 

[helterskelter]

Three straight slams in which Sinner lost in five. That is frustrating for him but given his age is encouraging. He’s still young enough to make modest improvements and that might be all he needs to take the next step. A lost opportunity but he still has a good shot at making his first slam semi this year.

 

[tennis_pro]

You are kidding right. Being just 21 years old and he has already turned around god knows how many matches. Take a look at PCB x Sinner match, miami 2022.

I think we're talking about different players, because the Sinner I know is as mentally tough as a 4 year old girl. Each time I'm watching him play a Slam match against any top player he's always choking.

 

[Thedesertfox]

Three straight slams in which Sinner lost in five. That is frustrating for him but given his age is encouraging. He’s still young enough to make modest improvements and that might be all he needs to take the next step. A lost opportunity but he still has a good shot at making his first slam semi this year.

He will. Got a shot at wimby and USO , maybe FO TOO

 

[Thedesertfox]

I think we're talking about different players, because the Sinner I know is as mentally tough as a 4 year old girl. Each time I'm watching him play a Slam match against any top player he's always choking.

This match was not a choke.
See 40 15 # RF 2019 Wimbledon is a choke.

 

[helterskelter]

He will. Got a shot at wimby and USO , maybe FO TOO

So far he has a good RG record but it will probably end up a tougher slam for him than the hard court ones and perhaps also than WI.

it’d help him if he could get his ranking back up into the 9-12 range over the spring.

 

[Thedesertfox]

So far he has a good RG record but it will probably end up a tougher slam for him than the hard court ones and perhaps also than WI.

it’d help him if he could get his ranking back up into the 9-12 range over the spring.

Needs to keep his eyes on sunshine double . Finals or a trophy would definitely help. Clay swing- Madrid, Roma etc will be important too.

 

[Thedesertfox]

So far he has a good RG record but it will probably end up a tougher slam for him than the hard court ones and perhaps also than WI.

it’d help him if he could get his ranking back up into the 9-12 range over the spring.

Btw, are u a fan of beatles?

 

[tennis_pro]

This match was not a choke.
See 40 15 # RF 2019 Wimbledon is a choke.

5 sets against a formidable top 10 player in a Slam that won't give him the W on a silver platter and he loses again, that's all that matters in the end. I don't know how big your bag of excuses can get, but it's getting pretty heavy to me. I don't think I've ever seen a bigger discrepancy between a player's game and mentality than with Sinner.

How many more times does he need to lose in the exact same way before you acknowledge that maybe there is a problem?

 

[Thedesertfox]

5 sets against a top 10 player in a Slam and he loses again, that's all that matters in the end. I don't how big your bag of excuses can get, but it's getting pretty heavy to me. I don't think I've ever seen a bigger discrepancy between a player's game and mentality than with Sinner.

Murray maybe? 4 lost GS finals in a row 5 lost AO finals in a row? Rings a bell?

 

[tennis_pro]

Murray maybe? 4 lost GS finals in a row 5 lost AO finals in a row? Rings a bell?

LOL Sinner can't even take out a 35-year old Djokovic while having a 2-0 lead in a Slam, he'd get eaten alive by the Djokovic/Federer that Murray was facing at the time.

Which ironically wouldn't expose his 4-year old girl mentality as much, because he'd be losing 7-5 6-1 6-3 or something on a regular basis LMAO.

There's a difference between being an inferior player and being mentally weak. According to you was David Ferrer mentally weak or not?

 

[Thedesertfox]

LOL Sinner can't even take out a 35-year old Djokovic while having a 2-0 lead in a Slam, he'd get eaten alive by the Djokovic/Federer that Murray was facing at the time.

Which ironically wouldn't expose his 4-year old girl mentality as much, because he'd be losing 7-5 6-1 6-3 or something on a regular basis LMAO.

He had an ankle injury last year against Novaxx. In fact he had like 3 or 4 leg injuries plus he contracted covid. So your argument is void

 

[helterskelter]

Needs to keep his eyes on sunshine double . Finals or a trophy would definitely help. Clay swing- Madrid, Roma etc will be important too.

Madrid should be a good tournament for him. In Roma, he’ll probably be most dangerous in evening matches. Monte Carlo not good conditions for him.

Not especially a Beatles fan. Was so more when I first created this username 25 years ago!

 

[tennis_pro]

He had an ankle injury last year against Novaxx. In fact he had like 3 or 4 leg injuries plus he contracted covid. So your argument is void

hahaha

Different excuse, same end result. See ya at the FO when he loses in the QF in 5 sets to Ruud or something. You can already start thinking about a new excuse.

But have no fear, he'll probably win something big eventually by default given that he's playing against a platoon of losers and actual champions like the big 3 or Wawa/Murray are all on the way out and the new generation is way too inconsistent to stop him every time.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Great fight from both players. Match of the tournament so far. Both have bright things ahead for sure. Tsitsipas is already there and Sinner isn’t that far from the next step.

 

[Thedesertfox]

Madrid should be a good tournament for him. In Roma, he’ll probably be most dangerous in evening matches. Monte Carlo not good conditions for him.

Not especially a Beatles fan. Was so more when I first created this username 25 years ago!

I am not familiar with conditions in Madrid, only been to Foro Italico once, beautiful venue btw.
He definitely has a shot in IW and Miami, Djokovic will not be allowed entry in to the US, Medvedev plays subpar, so does Auger, and gap between Tsitsi and Sinner is closing. Zverev will be fine in 2 to 3 months

 

[Thedesertfox]

hahaha

Different excuse, same end result. See ya at the FO when he loses in the QF in 5 sets to Ruud or something. You can already start thinking about a new excuse.

But have no fear, he'll probably win something big eventually by default given that he's playing against a platoon of losers and actual champions like the big 3 or Wawa/Murray are all on the way out.

Wanna bet?
I am telling you this kid is a future slam winner, he was ranked world no9. Not bad for someone who started taking tennis seriously at the age of 13 or 14

 

[tennis_pro]

Wanna bet?
I am telling you this kid is a future slam winner, he was ranked world no9.

I just said that he's probably gonna win something by default considering actual great players (Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka) are either out or on the way out and the new generation is too incosistent to block him every single time. That won't change the way I view him, quite the contrary. He wouldn't win diddly squat if played in pretty much any other era with that loser mentality, ESPECIALLY if he were born in 1987 like Murray who you just mocked. Imagine him having go to through prime Federer/peak Djokovic/peak Nadal, not to mention other players like Murray himself, Del Potro, Wawrinka to win a Slam. He'd be lucky to make a couple of SF in his career and would require great draws each time.

Not bad for someone who started taking tennis seriously at the age of 13 or 14

Nobody gives a crap, the results is what matters.

 

[Thedesertfox]

I just said that he's probably gonna win something by default considering actual great players (Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka) are either out or on the way out and the new generation is too incosistent to block him every single time. That won't change the way I view him, quite the contrary. He wouldn't win diddly squat if played in pretty much any other era with that loser mentality.

Nobody gives a crap, the results is what matters.

Give him more time. Wawrinka, Kerber, Wozniacki won their first slams at the age of 25+

 

[n80aoag]

Give him more time. Wawrinka, Kerber, Wozniacki won their first slams at the age of 25+

This is what the Nike Execs are telling themselves

 

[Thedesertfox]

This is what the Nike Execs are telling themselves

Yeah I heard about that ridiculous contract. How much for Sinner ? 100 million?

 

[tennis_pro]

Give him more time. Wawrinka, Kerber, Wozniacki won their first slams at the age of 25+

Either he wakes up and fixes the problem before it's to late or it's gonna go exactly like I'm predicting.

And not everyone is Wawrinka, there's a reason he's an exception.

 

[Thedesertfox]

Either he wakes up and fixes the problem before it's to late or it's gonna go exactly like I'm predicting.

And not everyone is Wawrinka, there's a reason he's an exception.

He will wake up. Darren is a great coach and he is steadily improving. His serve is much better than 5 months ago.

 

[n80aoag]

Yeah I heard about that ridiculous contract. How much for Sinner ? 100 million?

$150 million!

 

[Thedesertfox]

$150 million!

Lovely. For this kind of money, I d play tennis in a swimsuit and with a paddle instead of racket

 

[Thedesertfox]

$150 million!

Let s not be envious. Envy is a disgusting trait of a man

 

[MichaelNadal]

Stefanos better slay

 

[dking68]

Tsitsipas’s forehand is absolutely lethal when he’s seeing it as well as he was tonight, and for some reason he seems to just love playing against Sinner.

I was impressed with Sinner’s improvement compared to the same match played last year, he reached a high level in sets 3 & 4, but Tsitsi is still the better player, with the better serve — the gap is closing though by the looks of tonight.

I don’t think there’s a gap anymore. The gap is physical. Their games are on the same level now except that Tsitsipas is physically in his prime, Sinner isn’t. However when Sinner gets to Tsitsipas’s age, he will surpass the Greek

 

[Thedesertfox]

I don’t think there’s a gap anymore. The gap is physical. Their games are on the same level now

More or less. Tsitsipas has more variety to his game and slightly better FH

 

[dking68]

Three straight slams in which Sinner lost in five. That is frustrating for him but given his age is encouraging. He’s still young enough to make modest improvements and that might be all he needs to take the next step. A lost opportunity but he still has a good shot at making his first slam semi this year.

I don’t think he’s aiming to make a semi. He wants to win

 

[Thedesertfox]

I don’t think he’s aiming to make a semi. He wants to win

Everyone wants to win

 

[NeutralFan]

Sinner literally gifts break to decent player by making countless unforced errors by unnecessarily going way too much. He's just 21.5 , he needs to improve his movement and his mentality to have any chance of winning a slam. He's very talented for sure when he's on.

 

[Thedesertfox]

Sinner literally gifts break to decent player by making countless unforced errors by unnecessarily going way too much. He's just 21.5 , he needs to improve his movement and his mentality to have any chance of winning a slam. He's very talented for sure when he's on.

Movement is a top notch. FH needs a bit of improvement, and mentality too. But 90% of Next Gen need better mentality

 

[NeutralFan]

Movement is a top notch. FH needs a bit of improvement, and mentality too. But 90% of Next Gen need better mentality

Naah!

 

[Thedesertfox]

Movement is really good, he was a slalom skier , therefore his movement has to be damn good.

 

[Thedesertfox]

Take a look at Sinner press conference. I feel sorry for kid. He gave it everything and still lost.