Sinner Tsitsipas post match discussion

dking68 said:
I don’t think there’s a gap anymore. The gap is physical. Their games are on the same level now except that Tsitsipas is physically in his prime, Sinner isn’t. However when Sinner gets to Tsitsipas’s age, he will surpass the Greek
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The Italian should start to dominate on hard courts and deliver the coup de grace to the Serbian wolf at the All England Club.
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Thedesertfox said:
Sinner and Tsitsipas. Pretty good match imo. Sinner had him on the ropes the whole match(except 5th set, where Tsitsipas raised his level). It is a pity that Sinner did not convert more break points, 4 out of 26 I think? Is very very very bad. 5th set was poor from Sinner, too many unforcies esp. From his forehand wing.
Still Sinner put up one hell of a fight
Tsitsipas' performance was relatively good, his FH was on fire, but he offered too many Breakpoints, which is a recipe for disaster against players like Novaxx. Tsitsipas BH was terrible as usual.
Overall i d give this match 7 or 8 out of 10. Shall Tsitsi raise his level a bit, he can win this AO.
And Sinner needs to convert more BP s
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I don't think Sinner botched any breakpoints in particular; Tsitsipas actually found a great first serve and/or precise 3rd ball forehands on most of them.
 
When you see them in person, Alcaraz has a man’s body and crazy finesse in addition to his power game. Sinner looks like he has a boy’s body and hands of stone - so, only power all the time. That’s why Alcaraz has already won a Slam and is ranked #1 while Sinner keeps losing 5-setters in Slams.
 
socallefty said:
When you see them in person, Alcaraz has a man’s body and crazy finesse in addition to his power game. Sinner looks like he has a boy’s body and hands of stone - so, only power all the time. That’s why Alcatraz has already won a Slam and is ranked #1 while Sinner keeps losing 5-setters in Slams.
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Somehow Sinner is one of the few players who can handle Alcaraz
 
tennis_pro said:
He's possibly the most mentally frail top 5/10 player I've ever seen and I've seen Verdasco, Gasquet and crew.
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tennis_pro said:
I think we're talking about different players, because the Sinner I know is as mentally tough as a 4 year old girl. Each time I'm watching him play a Slam match against any top player he's always choking.
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tennis_pro said:
5 sets against a formidable top 10 player in a Slam that won't give him the W on a silver platter and he loses again, that's all that matters in the end. I don't know how big your bag of excuses can get, but it's getting pretty heavy to me. I don't think I've ever seen a bigger discrepancy between a player's game and mentality than with Sinner.

How many more times does he need to lose in the exact same way before you acknowledge that maybe there is a problem?
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tennis_pro said:
LOL Sinner can't even take out a 35-year old Djokovic while having a 2-0 lead in a Slam, he'd get eaten alive by the Djokovic/Federer that Murray was facing at the time.

Which ironically wouldn't expose his 4-year old girl mentality as much, because he'd be losing 7-5 6-1 6-3 or something on a regular basis LMAO.

There's a difference between being an inferior player and being mentally weak. According to you was David Ferrer mentally weak or not?
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Good lord have mercy, I usually avoid looking what people have been saying in old threads, but this and more in a single thread is quite something.

Now I understand why some have to go on rant about a supposed great weakness of the field. They would have to ask themselves how they could have got it so wrong.
 
Rovesciarete said:
Good lord have mercy, I usually avoid looking what people have been saying in old threads, but this and more in a single thread is quite something.

Now I understand why some have to go on rant about a supposed great weakness of the field. They would have to ask themselves how they could have got it so wrong.
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Yes, the top 10 even in 2022/2023 = Djokovic who was a million times better than now, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Zverev who was way better (at least until the injury), a young but already very good Alcaraz, Nadal.

Today -> Shelton, de Minaur, Fritz, Musetti. The tour is a joke below the top 2.

And btw what I was saying in 2022-2023 was true, don't act like it wasn't. Sinner was absolutely useless against top players, he won nothing on worth. A 36-year old Djoko demolished him in straights at Wimbledon in 2023. Sinner improved his game, but his mental toughness is still weak, dude loses 90% against the only player that truly matters in this era which is Alcaraz.
 
tennis_pro said:
Sucked against top players in 2021-2023. Sucks against Alcaraz, the only player who matters, now. But he's really good at beat 20 thousand Sheltons and de Minaur and a near 40-year old Djokovic.
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Man you’re fighting a losing battle, you have been so wrong about Sinner since the start, warm up to him and he will bring joy to you , he’s not gonna stop.
 
TennisGrandpA said:
Man you’re fighting a losing battle, you have been so wrong about Sinner since the start, warm up to him and he will bring joy to you , he’s not gonna stop.
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Clearly, mental toughness of a prime Verdasco. His game is pushing him through a lot of the matches, but once he gets pushed to the wall he crumbles way more often than not. His game is good enough to cover his mental incapabilities 95% of the time, but until the end of 2023 where the top 10 was better than now (stil a very good Djokovic, genuine top 10 players like Medvedev, Tsitsipas (what a downfall for both, especially the latter), a young Alcaraz and suddenly Sinner couldn't win anything. Way easier in the Shelton era now?

Dude still loses to Alcaraz 90% of the time and unlike with Fed-Nadal where they played a gazillion times on clay Sinner has literally no excuses losing everywhere especially on HC. Sinner's win against an injured Alcaraz indoors in front of his home crowd was his first HC win against Alcaraz since 2023 LMAO.
 
tennis_pro said:
Clearly, mental toughness of a prime Verdasco. His game is pushing him through a lot of the matches, but once he gets pushed to the wall he crumbles way more often than not. His game is good enough to cover his mental incapabilities 95% of the time, but until the end of 2023 where the top 10 was better than now (stil a very good Djokovic, genuine top 10 players like Medvedev, Tsitsipas (what a downfall for both, especially the latter), a young Alcaraz and suddenly Sinner couldn't win anything. Way easier in the Shelton era now?

Dude still loses to Alcaraz 90% of the time and unlike with Fed-Nadal where they played a gazillion times on clay Sinner has literally no excuses losing everywhere especially on HC. Sinner's win against an injured Alcaraz indoors in front of his home crowd was his first HC win against Alcaraz since 2023 LMAO.
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Cool. And what about Wimby?
 
TennisGrandpA said:
Man you’re fighting a losing battle, you have been so wrong about Sinner since the start, warm up to him and he will bring joy to you , he’s not gonna stop.
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...and like most fans of Chomperscaraz, they conveniently forget he lost to closer-to-retirement-than-not old Djokovic at the Olympics and the 2025 Australian Open. What's Chomperscaraz's excuse? There's no excuse--other than to realize Chomperscaraz is the most overrated player of the 21st century who can barely handle an old player long past his prime, and failed to win the Grand Slam. Of course, his defenders will say "he's still improving", yet they were the same fangirls who were swearing he was soon going to be a GOAT player in 2024. That has not happened, because at present, he is not even a whisper in the conversation about what level of talent and court insight it takes to win the GOAT-defining Grand Slam.
 
landcookie said:
How many slams does Goatdasco have?
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As many as Sinner if Sinner was in his prime 15 years ago instead of now.

Look at the level Verdasco produced at the 2009 AO and he still wasn't even close to winning. Beat Murray who was one of the tournament favorites (with some putting him as the top favorite), then beat Tsonga in the QF and pushed peak Nadal to the brink. If he somehow managed to pull through Fed was waiting in the final. Quite a difference in draw difficulty as opposed to now where Sinner is used to beating guys like Draper and Friz in the last rounds of a Slam.
 
tennis_pro said:
As many as Sinner if Sinner was in his prime 15 years ago instead of now.

Look at the level Verdasco produced at the 2009 AO and he still wasn't even close to winning. Beat Murray who was one of the tournament favorites (with some putting him as the top favorite), then beat Tsonga in the QF and pushed peak Nadal to the brink. If he somehow managed to pull through Fed was waiting in the final. Quite a difference in draw difficulty as opposed to now where Sinner is used to beating guys like Draper and Friz in the last rounds of a Slam.
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Man, your every argument is would should while reality is always 360 degree from your untested hypothetical world. Sinner is set to break all records and you’re living in your own imaginary world where Sinner is a mug
 
TennisGrandpA said:
Man, your every argument is would should while reality is always 360 degree from your untested hypothetical world. Sinner is set to break all records and you’re living in your own imaginary world where Sinner is a mug
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Any half decent player would be a multiple multiple Slam winner in this era. He's beating absolute nobodies, Alcaraz is literally his only obstacle. There are literally zero tier 2 and tier 3 players capable of causing an upset here or there or even pushing him to 4/5 sets. This era is a complete farce and Sinner is the biggest beneficiary.
 
tennis_pro said:
Any half decent player would be a multiple multiple Slam winner in this era. He's beating absolute nobodies, Alcaraz is literally his only obstacle. There are literally zero tier 2 and tier 3 players capable of causing an upset here or there or even pushing him to 4/5 sets. This era is a complete farce and Sinner is the biggest beneficiary.
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Well there are tier 2 players like Meddy and Z but Sinner is just too good for them, also he won his Wimbledon beating 2 times champion Carlos, won AO by beating Novak and Meddy , your complain is unwarranted lol btw no non ATG is not gonna win as much as Sinner , will he beat peak Carlos in final of a slam? Hell no , will he beat Novak in semi of AO where he lost zero matches before meeting Sinner. When will you accept Sinner is just a different beast ? When he break slam record and dominating Carlos in the process??
 
TennisGrandpA said:
Well there are tier 2 players like Meddy and Z but Sinner is just too good for them, also he won his Wimbledon beating 2 times champion Carlos, won AO by beating Novak and Meddy , your complain is unwarranted lol btw no non ATG is not gonna win as much as Sinner , will he beat peak Carlos in final of a slam? Hell no , will he beat Novak in semi of AO where he lost zero matches before meeting Sinner. When will you accept Sinner is just a different beast ? When he break slam record and dominating Carlos in the process??
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Djokovic who is 38 years old and clearly declined compared to even 2023 let alone his prime? Medvedev who won 1 single Slam match this year? Zverev who beat nobody of worth this year (one retirement from Djokovic, 2 wins against monster Ben Shelton and one win in a 500 on a HC against Musett) and has clearly regressed? So strong.

Sinner is a mental mug tier 2 player who happens to enjoy his prime in the weakest cheapest era ever. Dude averages one win against Alcaraz per year, his only obstacle. He's got literally nobody to lose to because everyone's so mediocre. Knock knock, who's there? Mugs. Sinner specializes in beating the Sheltons of the world.
 
tennis_pro said:
Djokovic who is 38 years old and clearly declined compared to even 2023 let alone his prime? Medvedev who won 1 single Slam match this year? Zverev who beat nobody of worth this year (one retirement from Djokovic, 2 wins against monster Ben Shelton and one win in a 500 on a HC against Musett) and has clearly regressed? So strong.

Sinner is a mental mug tier 2 player who happens to enjoy his prime in the weakest cheapest era ever. Dude averages one win against Alcaraz per year, his only obstacle. He's got literally nobody to lose to because everyone's so mediocre. Knock knock, who's there? Mugs. Sinner specializes in beating the Sheltons of the world.
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Novak wasn’t 38 when Sinner beat him easily two years back for his first AO, his first defeat ever at AO semi. This era is not weak when you have Carlos as prime ATG. He’s producing stats never seen before , his serve hold has been among best ever and that too without having a good serve, imagine what he will do once he fixes his serve? Game over for your hero.
 
TennisGrandpA said:
Novak wasn’t 38 when Sinner beat him easily two years back for his first AO, his first defeat ever at AO semi. This era is not weak when you have Carlos as prime ATG. He’s producing stats never seen before , his serve hold has been among best ever and that too without having a good serve, imagine what he will do once he fixes his serve? Game over for your hero.
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Djokovic fell off a cliff after 2023, it's night and day if you compare 2023 to 2024 Djoko. Sinner did nothing against Djokovic until his level dropped. Oh no sorry he beat him in one RR match and in DC. LMAO.

His stats mean nothing when he's beating nobody of worth. Dude's a master mug beater. Peak Fed would tear him apart, slice and dice him like there's no tomorrow. Instead he has freaking Ben Shelton and de Minaur. LMAO enjoy your cheap wins that mean nothing.
 
tennis_pro said:
Djokovic fell off a cliff after 2023, it's night and day if you compare 2023 to 2024 Djoko. Sinner did nothing against Djokovic until his level dropped. Oh no sorry he beat him in one RR match and in DC. LMAO.

His stats mean nothing when he's beating nobody of worth. Dude's a master mug beater. Peak Fed would tear him apart, slice and dice him like there's no tomorrow. Instead he has freaking Ben Shelton and de Minaur. LMAO enjoy your cheap wins that mean nothing.
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He fell off cliff because Sinner entered his prime, who else he was losing to except Sinneraz? Meh, peak Fed himself beat filed full of non ATG and clay dal who wasn’t in his prime off clay, even on clay he was a baby and Sinner would have beaten him in 2005-2006 if he was in his prime like Fed was. Prime Fed lost to no hip Guga, Sinner would have won against washed up Guga in his prime and won CYGs
 
TennisGrandpA said:
He fell off cliff because Sinner entered his prime, who else he was losing to except Sinneraz?
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LOL ok.

In 2023 he won 3 Slams and the WTF, only lost a very close match to Alcaraz at WImbledon. In 2024 he withdrew from WTF because of injury, didn't play well at the AO, at the FO he barely went past Cerundulo and Musetti before withdrawing from the QF. At Wimbledon he was injured, went through a weak draw and got smoked by Alcaraz. At the US Open he got beaten in 4 sets by master Popyrin. Also Djokovic played well outside of the Slams/WTF winning 2 Masters in 2023 while winning nothing in 2024.

In 2023 Djokovic only had one bad loss and that's against his buddy Lajovic in a 250 in Serbia. In 2024 he's got losses to Luca Nardi (who?) in Indian Wells, a 3rd round loss to Tabilo (who?) in Rome, to Machac, Popyrin at the US Open, got smoked by top players more often than not and withdrew way more than in 2023.

So sure thing, Djokovic played as well in 2024 as in 2023 and the tour improved lmao. The reality is - Djokovic only played one really good tournament in 2024 and that's the Olympics. Sinner had to wait out Djokovic before taking on him like the master mug beater that he is.
TennisGrandpA said:
Meh, peak Fed himself beat filed full of non ATG and clay dal who wasn’t in his prime off clay, even on clay he was a baby and Sinner would have beaten him in 2005-2006 if he was in his prime like Fed was. Prime Fed lost to no hip Guga, Sinner would have won against washed up Guga in his prime and won CYGs
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Did you even watch how Kuerten played in that tournament?

Sinner would've beaten 2005-2006 Nadal on clay hahaha. Yes of course. Sinner couldn't even touch a freaking 35/36 year old Nadal on clay and suddenly he's gonna take on peak-speed Nadal at the FO. Sinner wouldn't beat that Nadal if you gave him a 2 set advantage. He ate people like Sinner for breakfast. I mean he ate everyone for breakfast.
 
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tennis_pro said:
LOL ok.

In 2023 he won 3 Slams and the WTF, only lost a very close match to Alcaraz at WImbledon. In 2024 he withdrew from WTF because of injury, didn't play well at the AO, at the FO he barely went past Cerundulo and Musetti before withdrawing from the QF. At Wimbledon he was injured, went through a weak draw and got smoked by Alcaraz. At the US Open he got beaten in 4 sets by master Popyrin. Also Djokovic played well outside of the Slams/WTF winning 2 Masters in 2023 while winning nothing in 2024.

In 2023 Djokovic only had one bad loss and that's against his buddy Lajovic in a 250 in Serbia. In 2024 he's got losses to Luca Nardi (who?) in Indian Wells, a 3rd round loss to Tabilo (who?) in Rome, to Machac, Popyrin at the US Open, got smoked by top players more often than not and withdrew way more than in 2023.

So sure thing, Djokovic played as well in 2024 as in 2023 and the tour improved lmao. The reality is - Djokovic only played one really good tournament in 2024 and that's the Olympics. Sinner had to wait out Djokovic before taking on him like the master mug beater that he is.

Did you even watch how Kuerten played in that tournament?

Sinner would've beaten 2005-2006 Nadal on clay hahaha. Yes of course. Sinner couldn't even touch a freaking 35/36 year old Nadal on clay and suddenly he's gonna take on peak-speed Nadal at the FO. Sinner wouldn't beat that Nadal if you gave him a 2 set advantage. He ate people like Sinner for breakfast. I mean he ate everyone for breakfast.
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Baby Sinner gave tough fight to Rafa , did you even watch the match? He was serving for two sets before inexperience got better of him. Yes i saw Guga and there’s no excuse for peak Fed to lose to a washed up Guga, that means Peak Fed was a myth built on beating non ATGs. Sinner has a way better Bh than Fed and can go toe to to against Baby Rafa on clay, would punish his shorter balls something Fed couldn’t.
 
TennisGrandpA said:
Baby Sinner gave tough fight to Rafa , did you even watch the match?
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Yes, I did. I did witness Sinner losing to a 35-year old Nadal, arguably the worst version of him at the FO in 2005-2022 with the exception of 2015.
TennisGrandpA said:
He was serving for two sets before inexperience got better of him.
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He was serving for two sets? Which ones? Are we talking about the 1st set in 2 separate matches LOL?

Dude played Nadal 3 times on clay, once in 2020, twice in 2021 and got straight setted each time. Nadal got pushed in single set by way lesser players at that time, it's not some Sinner wow accomplishment.
TennisGrandpA said:
Yes i saw Guga and there’s no excuse for peak Fed to lose to a washed up Guga, that means Peak Fed was a myth built on beating non ATGs.
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Kuerten played at the 2004 FO, stop rewriting history. He reached the QF and pushed Nalbandian who was at his peak at the time to the limit. He was one of the tournament favorites after he beat Fed.

Peak Fed was a myth built on beating non ATGs. This coming from a Sinner fan hahaha, a dude who has nobody of worth outside of 1 player who's only started to play more consistently recently.
TennisGrandpA said:
Sinner has a way better Bh than Fed and can go toe to to against Baby Rafa on clay, would punish his shorter balls something Fed couldn’t.
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Sinner can't go toe to toe against Nadal on clay, nobody can't. Djokovic himself was 2-7 against Nadal at the FO or something and both wins Nadal was below his best (2015/2021). You're acting as if Sinner has some magic formula that would rattle Nadal at the FO. Dude couldn't even close out Alcaraz from a completely winnable position and he's gonna take on prime Nadal now at the FO? Sure thing.
 
tennis_pro said:
Yes, I did. I did witness Sinner losing to a 35-year old Nadal, arguably the worst version of him at the FO in 2005-2022 with the exception of 2015.

He was serving for two sets? Which ones? Are we talking about the 1st set in 2 separate matches LOL?

Dude played Nadal 3 times on clay, once in 2020, twice in 2021 and got straight setted each time. Nadal got pushed in single set by way lesser players at that time, it's not some Sinner wow accomplishment.

Kuerten played at the 2004 FO, stop rewriting history. He reached the QF and pushed Nalbandian who was at his peak at the time to the limit. He was one of the tournament favorites after he beat Fed.

Peak Fed was a myth built on beating non ATGs. This coming from a Sinner fan hahaha, a dude who has nobody of worth outside of 1 player who's only started to play more consistently recently.

Sinner can't go toe to toe against Nadal on clay, nobody can't. Djokovic himself was 2-7 against Nadal at the FO or something and both wins Nadal was below his best (2015/2021). You're acting as if Sinner has some magic formula that would rattle Nadal at the FO. Dude couldn't even close out Alcaraz from a completely winnable position and he's gonna take on prime Nadal now at the FO? Sure thing.
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Pushed Nalbandian?yeah he has such a clay pedigree, you know funny thing about Fed fans? Every time non ATG rivals of Fed brought such a high level lol
 
TennisGrandpA said:
Pushed Nalbandian?yeah he has such a clay pedigree, you know funny thing about Fed fans? Every time non ATG rivals of Fed brought such a high level lol
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Dude go watch the match.

Yes the difference between then and now is that there was an actual tour of good players outside of the absolute top 2 or 3. Right now you got Alcaraz, Sinner and then the Sheltons and de Minaurs of the world. Unless you want to claim that de Minaur or Shelton are better than players like Davydenko or Nalbandian, then please go ahead.
 
tennis_pro said:
Dude go watch the match.

Yes the difference between then and now is that there was an actual tour of good players outside of the absolute top 2 or 3. Right now you got Alcaraz, Sinner and then the Sheltons and de Minaurs of the world. Unless you want to claim that de Minaur or Shelton are better than players like Davydenko or Nalbandian, then please go ahead.
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Dude , difference is Fed had zero prime ATg as his rival while Sinner has a legit prime ATG as rival , remove Carlos and Sinner would have won CYGs already lol if he had to face non ATg like Fed faced
 
TennisGrandpA said:
Man, your every argument is would should while reality is always 360 degree from your untested hypothetical world. Sinner is set to break all records and you’re living in your own imaginary world where Sinner is a mug
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Where Sinner is concerned, the hyper-defensive treatment of Chomperscaraz usually sinks into "woulda. coulda, shoulda" posts having no bearing on the state of the players now. Comperscaraz's fans are so bitter that their false "GOAT" has not lived up to their hype, and cannot stand the fact Sinner is here. and he is not going to roll over in his career for the Toothy One.
 
tennis_pro said:
As many as Sinner if Sinner was in his prime 15 years ago instead of now.

Look at the level Verdasco produced at the 2009 AO and he still wasn't even close to winning. Beat Murray who was one of the tournament favorites (with some putting him as the top favorite), then beat Tsonga in the QF and pushed peak Nadal to the brink. If he somehow managed to pull through Fed was waiting in the final. Quite a difference in draw difficulty as opposed to now where Sinner is used to beating guys like Draper and Friz in the last rounds of a Slam.
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Coulda should woulda.
 
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