Antonio Puente
Hall of Fame
It's unfortunate for Murray that Fed never won a gold medal. Had Fed won gold in 2008 instead of Nadal, Murray's two golds would be one hell of a resume enhancer.
Sir Andrew Murray is undoubtedly an alltime great of this sport
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peakin11mugs
Semi-Pro
Didn’t know it was 93... 100 coming up soon?
And 19 of them are grandslams (unrivalled), 7 WTF (unrivalled) 26 masters (3rd all time)
olympics is not an exho. In the past 10 years or so it has become a good thing to have on a tennis players resume. It’s not a grand slam however and comes every 4 years. It’s not even a WTF. If fed wins it it will literally never be mentioned by any fan base again. Just like Davis cup now that fed has won it.
peakin11mugs
Semi-Pro
Murray’s career is miles ahead of stans. He has had an outstanding career. Stan is definitely a very notable player and a favourite to many as his wins were just weird - fantastic but weird. Never wins a slam then wins 3 slam finals against ATG’s particularly Djokovic on hard courts and clay.
BringBackWood
Professional
Neither does Sampras for that matter!
Come off the Murray wagon for once. That's a ludicrous comparison. Sampras has 14 slams >> 5 > 3. I don't see how anyone can say Murray career >= Sharapova.
I don't Murray personally so I can't judge him on that. All I can go is his behaviour on court, which many dislike. His gamestyle is nothing personal, I simply detest it as the symbol of everything wrong with modern tennis.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I have never said Andy isn't ahead of Stan. He certainly is.
My point was that a much lesser player than Andy having the same amount of majors as him weakens Murray's case as an ATG. ATG's are supposed to have many more majors than the lesser players.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Well, you said Murray couldn't come close to Sharpova because he hadn't achieved a career Slam and hadn't won a Slam at 17. I was merely pointing out that neither had Sampras. If you want to diss Murray's record you're going to have to come up with something a bit more subtle than that, aren't you?
You don't 'what' Murray personally?
Oh and Sharapova is a standard model for how players should behave, is she?
Exaggerate much, do you? Just what is it about Murray's gamestyle that offends you so much more than that of any other player I don't see you coming on here to complain about?
Mainad
Bionic Poster
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Zara
Guest
I don't see Andy going for it but if it happens naturally then he won't mind it. So there's a possibility that he may become No. 1 again but he's not going to reclaim it.
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Zara
Guest
Why? Do you want to vote No? You'd better not.
beast of mallorca
G.O.A.T.
Where's your poll ?
BringBackWood
Professional
@Mainad no point discussing with you if you won't acknowledge Sharapova has both more slams & a career grand slam over Andy, whereas Sampras has 9 more slams and dominance Sharapova and Andy can only dream of. Therefore the ordering of their careers is easy. You have to keep objectivity.
'know' was the missing word (thought that obvious). I don't like Sharapova either, but what we're discussing here are their careers.
'know' was the missing word (thought that obvious). I don't like Sharapova either, but what we're discussing here are their careers.
Justice Underworld
Rookie
24 of his titles are 250? Wow.
Dope Reign
Banned
Murray was mentioned more times than Federer in this thread.
It was touch and go for a while, but he came good in the end.
Murray, undoubtedly the alltime great of this Fed. I mean fred. Thread!
It was touch and go for a while, but he came good in the end.
Murray, undoubtedly the alltime great of this Fed. I mean fred. Thread!
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Trying to call him a vulture when he has tge most slams and WTF?
Justice Underworld
Rookie
I never said anything of the sort and am only surprised that that many of his titles are smaller tournaments. You sound paranoid.
ollinger
G.O.A.T.
Gee, 3 grand slams puts him right here with other all time greats like.......Jan Kodes???? And the Olympics wasn't available to tennis players in Kodes' time. Murray has been away from the game for mere months and people ALREADY have largely stopped talking about him. Murray will for the most part be forgotten.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
I have no problem acknowledging Sharapova's CGS and greater number of Slams than Murray or that Sampras is far more accomplished than either. I was merely pointing out your selective use of such comparisons just to make Murray look bad. The irony of using such comparisons to pour scorn on a player you don't happen to like while ignoring similar comparisons for others you do is another indication of your lack of objectivity.
The big difference is that you say you don't like Sharapova but are still objective enough to acknowledge her achievements when it makes Murray look bad whereas your dislike for Murray pours over into contempt and belittlement of what he has achieved which is still considerable. This is what I mean by your hypocrisy and double standards where Murray is concerned and leads me to conclude that you treat him by different standards to every other player out there whether you like them or not.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Yep, we can all tell that people have ALREADY stopped talking about him by the lack of threads on here inviting posters like you to STILL talk about him!
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Federer leads the 250 titles board by some margin but, then again, he also leads the Slam titles board by some margin too. Very balanced player is Federer!
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
Well that highly depends on how what you see as an ATG since that is an arbitrary term. Murray sure as hell will be inducted into the HOF which doesn’t say much though.
IN MY OPINION to be called an ATG you need at least a Becker/Edberg like career meaning that at this point Murray is nowhere near an ATG.
But then again I am maybe a little biased because I don’t like Murray at all.
IN MY OPINION to be called an ATG you need at least a Becker/Edberg like career meaning that at this point Murray is nowhere near an ATG.
But then again I am maybe a little biased because I don’t like Murray at all.
