So I have the oppurtunity to practice with a player much better than me

FiReFTW

Legend
What is ur guys opinion on this? Im thinking playing a better guy should provide nothing but good things for my game, since im getting used to much harder and faster shots than my level, which improves alot of aspects such as movement, hand eye coordination, feel for faster shots..

We went to play yesterday, found him on a local searching for tennis players app, not many players around at all and active, but he was so I wrote to him, he said he trained tennis for 10 years from like 6 years old, then stopped and now he plays friends and also in a local league competition year around, plays 3-4 times a week.
So I told him I have limited tennis experience and he would find it boring to play against me so not much point going, but he insisted and said its fine we can go play for fun no problem, so I said well why not, some cardio won't hurt.

Anyway we played yesterday and after the session he said we can go play some more anytime, I should just let him know.
I said if he really does not find it boring to play against such an inferior player and he said its fine, playing tennis is fun and il improve faster playing better guys, and he finds it fun playing and he also needs to practice his serve alot so its the same going to practice by himself or playing some fun rallies and practicing serve and stuff a bit.

What we did:
Warm up mini tennis for few mins
Rallies for like 20-30 mins.
Then we alternated serving for 20-30 mins, he served a bit, then me, then him etc..
Finally again some rallies for 20-30 mins.

What he said:
I have nice pace on my serve and good spin (I knew my serve had decent pace and spin but its very inconsistent)
And that im pretty decent for the amount of time ive played tennis

My experience:
His shots are very consistent, almost never misses wide or long or into the net, 99% of the time it goes in, but im sure he was not going for his shots much, since he went for it like 3-4 times maybe in the whole session and those shots had much more pace on them than the usual shots.
He did vary spin alot, some shots had alot of slice, some had less topspin, some had ton of topspin.
Overall I could handle his shots pretty decently (tho I know they were not his best shots), but they were fairly fast and had alot of topspin, more so than the ones I play against usually, so its quite good for me I think for my development.
I think I could have went for more control tho, I went too hard on most of them, because I didn't want to just hit a too slow ball back for him, so he would be like wth is this slow ball lol, so the shots were not as consistent, made probably like 3-5 shots before I made an unforced error on average.
His 2nd serve is very nice thing to practice for me, since it doesn't have huge pace and has ton of spin, so im getting used to the heavy topspin and slice on shots and getting the feel for those serves.
His 1st serve seems (at least from my 1st session now) not very useful for me to practice, since it has so much speed and pace that im just barely able to stretch to it and its always a big misshit, just have no clue how to handle such pace, my racquet gets twisted since im so stretched and don't have much leverage on it, but maybe in time il get used to it, who knows.
 

pabletion

Hall of Fame
Will DEFINITELY make you better. L
Always the best learning experience is to learn from someone superior. Specially since he actually wants to practice/rally with you you should definitely make the most of it.

Consistency is key, work on your control and acceleration, looking to give your shots more and more spin so youll clear the net easily and have then land well inside the baseline. He'll appreciate this.

I can speak on his behalf I enjoy drilling with friends who are learning and are EAGER to imprive and catch up, I actually have a meeting with a good friend on a weekly basis, every tuesday at 5:30 am. Hes abou a 3-3.5ish, if we played a match it would be a very boring blowout, but that doesnt mean we can still have a fun and meaningfull prsctice together. We practically hit balls from the baseline for an hour and a half, and hes definitely getting used to the pace AND improving on his consistency. I try to work on my control and to NOT MISS, hitting at about 3/4 pace in a very controlled manner, and run down all of his balls. It is a good excrcise for me too.

I give him pointers constantly (does he give you pointers), and correct him on technical stuff, of course its of my interest he improves so our sessions will get better and better.

Were starting to play some points but without serving: hit three balls in then play it out. I try diff things, hit balls not too far away from him, or hit out but only straight to the middle etc, its something you could do, play points from the baseline (therefore eliminating return unforced errors...).

Once you progress, you can do things like play some games but hes got only one serve, or play a set with only you serving, playing with a handicap (start all games with a 15-0 or 15 - minus 15 lead).

Trust me, if he told you he wants to hit again its because he enjoyed it too, and he CAN work on stuff as well, so make the most of it!
 

FiReFTW

Legend
I appreciate the comment pabletion.

So is your advice that I should not focus on hitting hard but focus on consistency and to return as much shots as I can to him?
I kind of feel like if I do that the shots are very slow for him and he will feel like its crap playing against me.
 

10isMaestro

Semi-Pro
I appreciate the comment pabletion.

So is your advice that I should not focus on hitting hard but focus on consistency and to return as much shots as I can to him?
I kind of feel like if I do that the shots are very slow for him and he will feel like its crap playing against me.

The best for you is to find a comfortable pace and work on hitting safe targets at that pace, most of the time. When you get an easier shot (for some reason, you feel you're better set than usual to swing faster), you take things up a notch -- you hit a slightly more difficult shot, one that is slightly out of your comfort zone.

Most people go for too aggressive targets, too little net clearence and pull the trigger on too many shots. You need to adjust your targets to get habits of hitting safely and play with the type of ball trajectories and speed according to what your partner sends you in order to improve -- and hopefully eventually keep control of the ball at higher speed.

If you watched pros and kept track of their shots, you'd see that they hit to safe targets nearly all the time. This is one thing you can likely do better right now and it would help keep up with that guy.
 

pabletion

Hall of Fame
I appreciate the comment pabletion.

So is your advice that I should not focus on hitting hard but focus on consistency and to return as much shots as I can to him?
I kind of feel like if I do that the shots are very slow for him and he will feel like its crap playing against me.

Maybe ask him.... if it were me, Id prefer medium paced balls if youre able to hit 20 plus un a row, than you over hittinf and getting 3 balls in then miss.

I feel I would get much more even slowing down myself to keep the rally going. I can work on footwork and a sound swing, more topspin, target practice..... You should focus on keeping the rally going and look to accelrate to give your shots spin, not try and hit flat & hard. I look fot good rythm while havig a hit.

You will develop speed eventually.
 
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Deleted member 23235

Guest
my guess is you have a great attitude about training (hustle, cooperative, focused on improving through repetition (vs trying to just win), etc,...)

there's 1-2 3.5 guys i enjoy practicing with. feed them mostly fh, and generally not move them around much, and i get a lot of balls back.

i love practicing against my 3.0 pusher dad... as long as i don't make him run, it's almost guaranteed he gets the ball back. and it gives him great joy hitting the dropper against me :p

good luck and keep up whatever you're doing.
 

Limpinhitter

G.O.A.T.
What is ur guys opinion on this? Im thinking playing a better guy should provide nothing but good things for my game, since im getting used to much harder and faster shots than my level, which improves alot of aspects such as movement, hand eye coordination, feel for faster shots..

We went to play yesterday, found him on a local searching for tennis players app, not many players around at all and active, but he was so I wrote to him, he said he trained tennis for 10 years from like 6 years old, then stopped and now he plays friends and also in a local league competition year around, plays 3-4 times a week.
So I told him I have limited tennis experience and he would find it boring to play against me so not much point going, but he insisted and said its fine we can go play for fun no problem, so I said well why not, some cardio won't hurt.

Anyway we played yesterday and after the session he said we can go play some more anytime, I should just let him know.
I said if he really does not find it boring to play against such an inferior player and he said its fine, playing tennis is fun and il improve faster playing better guys, and he finds it fun playing and he also needs to practice his serve alot so its the same going to practice by himself or playing some fun rallies and practicing serve and stuff a bit.

What we did:
Warm up mini tennis for few mins
Rallies for like 20-30 mins.
Then we alternated serving for 20-30 mins, he served a bit, then me, then him etc..
Finally again some rallies for 20-30 mins.

What he said:
I have nice pace on my serve and good spin (I knew my serve had decent pace and spin but its very inconsistent)
And that im pretty decent for the amount of time ive played tennis

My experience:
His shots are very consistent, almost never misses wide or long or into the net, 99% of the time it goes in, but im sure he was not going for his shots much, since he went for it like 3-4 times maybe in the whole session and those shots had much more pace on them than the usual shots.
He did vary spin alot, some shots had alot of slice, some had less topspin, some had ton of topspin.
Overall I could handle his shots pretty decently (tho I know they were not his best shots), but they were fairly fast and had alot of topspin, more so than the ones I play against usually, so its quite good for me I think for my development.
I think I could have went for more control tho, I went too hard on most of them, because I didn't want to just hit a too slow ball back for him, so he would be like wth is this slow ball lol, so the shots were not as consistent, made probably like 3-5 shots before I made an unforced error on average.
His 2nd serve is very nice thing to practice for me, since it doesn't have huge pace and has ton of spin, so im getting used to the heavy topspin and slice on shots and getting the feel for those serves.
His 1st serve seems (at least from my 1st session now) not very useful for me to practice, since it has so much speed and pace that im just barely able to stretch to it and its always a big misshit, just have no clue how to handle such pace, my racquet gets twisted since im so stretched and don't have much leverage on it, but maybe in time il get used to it, who knows.

It would have been even more beneficial if you had played a practice set. In my view, playing against better players raises your level of play. But, it is just as important to play practice sets against equal players to work on winning close matches, and lesser players to work on winning when you should win.
 

997turbo

Rookie
Investing in a good and close to top-of-the-line ball machine will do all of that. Yes it does give you random balls to hit as well, to keep you on your toes.
 
Don't try to compete with him.
Make this a mutually beneficial practice session.
Trading off serves is a great example.
This way, he is getting benefit from hitting with you.
Not 1 sided.
Look up some drills and feeds, and offer to feed balls to each other.
Like help each other practice volleys or overheads.
If he likes to practice (not just play), he will find you useful,
and you will get much better.
 
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