Storage for Wilson Baiardo Stringing machine

[Avedissianj1]

Any one who cares to respond,

Quick question just looking for some feedback and opinions. I just purchased a Wilson Baiardo stringing machine that will be comming in this week. I’m hoping to store the stringer and operate out of my detached shed as I’m turning it into my mini pro shop ( tired of operating out of my basement and taking up all the space and clutter). I live in nyc area and just curious if that’s an advisable move and if it is advisable, what can I do to ensure the machine does not get damaged in the cold winters and hot summers. Thanks

 

[Rabbit]

You know, I keep the Mighty Sensor (and all my other previous machines) in the house. Without climate control, in the Deep South, you wind up with stuff rusting. I'd also be concerned about the electronics in an electric getting fouled by excess humidity.

 

[SavvyStringer]

There is nothing you can do. I'm in a similar situation. We moved around new years to get a marginally bigger house because we'll have another child soon. I'm currently using our dining room in our new house as my stringing room/ office. I'll be looking to get a shed as time and money allow. My plan is to build it out by running power, insulating, drywall, and heating and cooling. Without heating and cooling there is no way I or the machine would last through the summer heat and winter cold. You're going to have to insulate and heat and cool your shed. A window unit should do it fairly cheaply unless your shed is huge. I would not keep that machine in any area that is not climate controlled. All you would need to insulate the building is rolls of insulation from home depot or lowes and a staple gun. If you're not comfortable doing dry wall, you could always just put 1/4' ply wood over the insulation to give the walls a finished look. I may end up doing that rather than drywall just to give my self more space that can hold storage like peg board. The possibilities are both endless and costly but I would not put my machine in a non-climate controlled environment.

 

[Avedissianj1]

There is nothing you can do. I'm in a similar situation. We moved around new years to get a marginally bigger house because we'll have another child soon. I'm currently using our dining room in our new house as my stringing room/ office. I'll be looking to get a shed as time and money allow. My plan is to build it out by running power, insulating, drywall, and heating and cooling. Without heating and cooling there is no way I or the machine would last through the summer heat and winter cold. You're going to have to insulate and heat and cool your shed. A window unit should do it fairly cheaply unless your shed is huge. I would not keep that machine in any area that is not climate controlled. All you would need to insulate the building is rolls of insulation from home depot or lowes and a staple gun. If you're not comfortable doing dry wall, you could always just put 1/4' ply wood over the insulation to give the walls a finished look. I may end up doing that rather than drywall just to give my self more space that can hold storage like peg board. The possibilities are both endless and costly but I would not put my machine in a non-climate controlled environment.

Definitely going to run to Home Depot for insulation and plywood. And I have an electrician that will be able to run electricity to the shed in the Comming weeks

 

[Irvin]

Not sure I would put my machine in a shed. Insulating the walls is good but what will you do with the top and bottom?

EDIT: If you build an igloo on the South Pole it will not keep you warm, it only blocks the wind.

 

[SavvyStringer]

Not sure I would put my machine in a shed. Insulating the walls is good but what will you do with the top and bottom?

Personally, I plan to also insulate the ceiling and finish it. I also plan to put down a vapor barrier and flooring. My plan is to essentially add an outdoor room to my new home. I'm not planning to purchase any old garden shed. I'm looking at the ones that people use for tiny homes that lend themselves to this sort of thing. I'm looking at one with either a loft or even a second floor to give me an area to string plus essentially what will amount to a guest room or play room for my sons. Home depot near me has a two story shed that has a full second floor. It's a monster as is the price tag (10k without being finished and having power on the inside) but I'm looking for a long term investment to effectively set up a sort of shop.

 

[10shoe]

I am on Long Island. I found out the hard way that it is illegal to operate a business on a residential street. I rent office space now.

 

[Avedissianj1]

There is nothing you can do. I'm in a similar situation. We moved around new years to get a marginally bigger house because we'll have another child soon. I'm currently using our dining room in our new house as my stringing room/ office. I'll be looking to get a shed as time and money allow. My plan is to build it out by running power, insulating, drywall, and heating and cooling. Without heating and cooling there is no way I or the machine would last through the summer heat and winter cold. You're going to have to insulate and heat and cool your shed. A window unit should do it fairly cheaply unless your shed is huge. I would not keep that machine in any area that is not climate controlled. All you would need to insulate the building is rolls of insulation from home depot or lowes and a staple gun. If you're not comfortable doing dry wall, you could always just put 1/4' ply wood over the insulation to give the walls a finished look. I may end up doing that rather than drywall just to give my self more space that can hold storage like peg board. The possibilities are both endless and costly but I would not put my machine in a non-climate controlled environment.

I may just decide to keep the stringer in my shed from April - October and bring it inside from

Not sure I would put my machine in a shed. Insulating the walls is good but what will you do with the top and bottom?

EDIT: If you build an igloo on the South Pole it will not keep you warm, it only blocks the wind.

i can insulate the ceiling as well as it’s a finished shed with vaulted roof. The floor is a finished floor to the shed so nothings exposed to the elements in those terms. I understand your reference thanks

 

[Avedissianj1]

I am on Long Island. I found out the hard way that it is illegal to operate a business on a residential street. I rent office space now.

Must be a municipal law or ordinance by you as one of the most iconic local small business tennis shops in the USA (been around since 1900) is owned and operated on a local street (weaver avenue, Bloomfield,NJ) in a detached garage called Hapwards Tennis in NJ

 

[SavvyStringer]

I am on Long Island. I found out the hard way that it is illegal to operate a business on a residential street. I rent office space now.

I'm in a slightly different situation I guess. I haven't turned mine into a formal business. I string for the University but am employed by them. I string for friends and guys I play with but other than tracking their string/ tension/ and frame don't track much else. I don't sell frames or supplies other than services. I don't even truly track how much I do for local players. They mostly pay cash or with paypal. Cash just goes in my wallet and gets spent. Paypal gets reinvested in my own tennis. Setting up a 'shop' I may need to and may actually get a business license but at current it's just cottage industry. Really, setting up 'shop' for me is just a way for my wife to get me out of the house. She doesn't like all of the people she doesn't know showing up to pick up/ drop off rackets and coming into the house if they're waiting.

 

[Avedissianj1]

Exactly I’m just trying to avoid people coming into and out of my home as much as possible

 

[10shoe]

@Avedissianj1

You will really need to both heat, cool and dehumidify this shop of yours year round. I think you would be better off building a separate entrance to your basement.

 

[AndI]

What is your estimated ROI? How many years you would need to slave stringing racquets to cover the cost of both, the new machine and the shed, with all that isolation and heating that you would need to install there? I hear that prices for everything tennis in the New York area are like on a different planet, so this may make a difference, but I know very little about it.

One thing to consider is how stiffness of the strings changes with temperature. I suspect it might, but have no data to support it. I wonder what will happen to string tension if you string a racquet in a non temperature controlled space, e.g., where it is relatively cold, and then take it to a space which is at a significantly different temperature. Would the string tension have additional unexpected seasonal fluctuations?

 

[Avedissianj1]

What is your estimated ROI? How many years you would need to slave stringing racquets to cover the cost of both, the new machine and the shed, with all that isolation and heating that you would need to install there? I hear that prices for everything tennis in the New York area are like on a different planet, so this may make a difference, but I know very little about it.

One thing to consider is how stiffness of the strings changes with temperature. I suspect it might, but have no data to support it. I wonder what will happen to string tension if you string a racquet in a non temperature controlled space, e.g., where it is relatively cold, and then take it to a space which is at a significantly different temperature. Would the string tension have additional unexpected seasonal fluctuations?

Not concerned about price as the shed i bought in an auction for a great price and the stringer I bought as a gift / toy for myself not looking to make up the cost of the machine in string jobs. I just for my self brothers and a few friends because I truly love it not worried about the machine cost Just simply trying to make sure I don’t destroy the machine if I operated out of a detached shed.

 

[10shoe]

There used to be a tuneup for the US Open at Crotona Park in the Bronx. The stringing was done in an open tent. One particularly dewy morning the machines refused to operate and the control panels were visibly clouded with moisture. They had to be brought indoors into an air conditioned room before they would start up. Does that answer your question?

 

[struggle]

EDIT: If you build an igloo on the South Pole it will not keep you warm, it only blocks the wind.

False. I've slept in a snow cave (same thing essentially). Body heat or stove heat warms them up nicely
and they are well insulated.

 

[esgee48]

I would contact Wilson and ask them what is the temperature range and relative humidity range for operating the Baiardo. I suspect 55-75 F and 50-80% RH. That will tell you what to get as far as storage/stringing space. Probably should be dust free and insect free.

 

[Irvin]

The temperature inside an igloo or a snow cave is 32 degrees Fahrenheit.

 

[struggle]

The temperature inside an igloo or a snow cave is 32 degrees Fahrenheit.

Wrong. It can be lower or much higher. Stick to what you know, please.

 

[AndI]

I would contact Wilson and ask them what is the temperature range and relative humidity range for operating the Baiardo. I suspect 55-75 F and 50-80% RH. That will tell you what to get as far as storage/stringing space. Probably should be dust free and insect free.

Love it! Class 100 clean room would be perfect!

Actually, the manual

http://www.irsa-stringers.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2011/10/Baiardo_English_Manual.pdf

says that it should be used indoors within the temperature range from 10 to 40 C (50 to 104 F). In the state of New York, where it can get cold, this would mean a heated space.

 

[Rabbit]

Wrong. It can be lower or much higher. Stick to what you know, please.

Come on, man, don't ask for the impossible!

 

[Avedissianj1]

Love it! Class 100 clean room would be perfect!

Actually, the manual

http://www.irsa-stringers.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2011/10/Baiardo_English_Manual.pdf

says that it should be used indoors within the temperature range from 10 to 40 C (50 to 104 F). In the state of New York, where it can get cold, this would mean a heated space.

I plan on bringing it inside from October to March so I think I may be ok! Thanks man

 

[esgee48]

If the temperature is 104 F, I wouldn't be stringing. I would be in senior center where the temperature would be 68 F. 50 F is tolerable. My fingers would not be thanking me and may go on strike. Manual says nothing about RH?