T Fight 315?

[azrael201]

sorry guys i have another racquet customization question. what's the easiest way to add weight to the handle for this racquet? are you guys putting lead under the leather grip or over it etc? Or are you guys opening up the cap to put weights inside?

Doesn't this racquet have silicone in the handle already making putting lead inside difficult?

Sorry never done this before

 

[rh310]

sorry guys i have another racquet customization question. what's the easiest way to add weight to the handle for this racquet? are you guys putting lead under the leather grip or over it etc? Or are you guys opening up the cap to put weights inside?

Doesn't this racquet have silicone in the handle already making putting lead inside difficult?

Sorry never done this before

I'll eventually put it under the leather grip, but for now wrapped it over the grip at the top.

Not very professional looking, but under the overgrip no one knows but me.

 

[azrael201]

I'll eventually put it under the leather grip, but for now wrapped it over the grip at the top.

Not very professional looking, but under the overgrip no one knows but me.

thinking about adding 10g to handle to counterbalance some weight in hoop. I still want the balance to be 32.4cm if not 32 or 31.5. I want to try a polarized setup.

 

[azrael201]

after slicing my hand open, i finally got the stupid staples out to replace the buttcap. I bought the racquet used but doesn't look like the pallet or but cap has been removed before. However there's a bunch of foam stuffed into one of the tubes of the handle. Is this normal? Other one is empty.

 

[dnj30]

after slicing my hand open, i finally got the stupid staples out to replace the buttcap. I bought the racquet used but doesn't look like the pallet or but cap has been removed before. However there's a bunch of foam stuffed into one of the tubes of the handle. Is this normal? Other one is empty.

Normal. They put silicone in the handle. That's what the "tour prepared" is.

 

[azrael201]

just thought it was weird it was only in one of the two tubes/handles.

 

[azrael201]

Just played with my new setup and it's too good. I still can't handle the significant increase in heft, but when I do get a full swing on it it's a missile. I first matched my two 18m sticks. I think the person who I sold me one of my sticks removed some of the silicone cause there was a 10g difference between my two racquets. I shoved bluetack in til they were same weight. I added maybe 8g of blutack to the handle and 4g of lead total at 10 and 2. Racquet is about 350.9g, 31.5cm balance, 330swingweight. I might try to tone it down on the second stick to get the timing better, but loving this racquet still. I'm going to compare it to RF97A, G 330, PB10, and Speed Pro XT whenever they get here.

 

[ls206]

A little necromancy here but I have been wondering how others have progressed with their customisations of this frame in order to get to their final spec.

My mods so far have been to remove the leather grip in favour of a synthetic. I then added the missing weight to the buttcap as there was too much weight in the throat/upper handle for my liking. I also added lead to the hoop from 10 - 2.
The results left me with following unstrung specs:
320g 31.4cm 295kg/cm^2 (measured on RDC)
I'm not sure what that is strung and overgripped, likely 340g, 32cm, 325-330kg/cm^2

Really liked the setup but curious how far I can take the swing weight

 

[Irvin]

A little necromancy here but I have been wondering how others have progressed with their customisations of this frame in order to get to their final spec.

My mods so far have been to remove the leather grip in favour of a synthetic. I then added the missing weight to the buttcap as there was too much weight in the throat/upper handle for my liking. I also added lead to the hoop from 10 - 2.
The results left me with following unstrung specs:
320g 31.4cm 295kg/cm^2 (measured on RDC)
I'm not sure what that is strung and overgripped, likely 340g, 32cm, 325-330kg/cm^2

Really liked the setup but curious how far I can take the swing weight

I assume you're talking about the 315 Ltd. I used to play with the 315 Dynacore until I tried the 320 (2013) which is being closed out. The 320 is a little smaller at 95 in. But the strung SW is 324 Kgcm, balance 314 mm, and weight is 341 g which is similar to yours.

EDIT: The only thing I don't like are the tie off grommets. I'm thinking of replacing the grommets, drilling out the tie off holes in the frame, and replacing the tie off grommets tips with the new Dynacore eyelets. Some day they will sell them separately (I hope) and everyone will buy them. Until them I'll buy extra sets of grommets for a Dynacore just to get the eyelets.

 

[ls206]

Ah yes, sorry the 315 ltd (16x19)

Yep those specs are pretty much the same, have you tried bumping the swingweight up to the 340 range?

The new tie off eyelets look fantastic and so simple, I'm amazed it's taken so long for something like them to be introduced.
Incidentally I've just bought some dowel centres to flare the tie offs.

 

[Irvin]

@ls206 it would be easy to bump the SW up to 340 but it would take about 5 g of lead at 12 which would also raise the total weight and balance. To get the balance back where I started it would take the about 6 g in the butt to get back to where I started. The change would take about 1/2 oz (14 g.) and I'm not sure I want to do that. Santa ordered a new 320 for Christmas, and once I have two to compare I will experiment more.

The part that bothers me right now is I like the spin and power I get off the setup I have now. Therefore I'm a little tentative about playing around with it much without another frame to compare it to.

EDIT: Those eyelets are really great. I've already asked if they can be bought separately and they can't. I've actually taken off the bumper of my 315 Dynacore after it had been strung a few times and replaced the same old bumper after adding weight and doing a bit of straightening on the outer grommets. At least the tie off grommets are not mushroomed which helps a lot.

 

[ls206]

The part that bothers me right now is I like the spin and power I get off the setup I have now. Therefore I'm a little tentative about playing around with it much without another frame to compare it to.

I totally understand. I can't play at the mo so just trying to scratch that itch by slapping lead tape on stuff!

I guess I know I'll need to just get on court and try it out myself but I do like to read other's experiences.

My plan is to lead up the hoop from 9 all the way around to 3 with "bite sized" strips of lead, then I can easily remove .5g at a time.

 

[Hnefi]

A little necromancy here but I have been wondering how others have progressed with their customisations of this frame in order to get to their final spec.

My mods so far have been to remove the leather grip in favour of a synthetic. I then added the missing weight to the buttcap as there was too much weight in the throat/upper handle for my liking. I also added lead to the hoop from 10 - 2.
The results left me with following unstrung specs:
320g 31.4cm 295kg/cm^2 (measured on RDC)
I'm not sure what that is strung and overgripped, likely 340g, 32cm, 325-330kg/cm^2

Really liked the setup but curious how far I can take the swing weight

I tried the setup just a bit further up in this thread where you put 12g split between 3&9 and then bluetac or silicone the handle to keep the balance (replaced leather with Prince Resi Pro which was surprisingly nice as a synthetic grip), and it's a pretty decent setup for this frame actually. Strung with some really cheap syngut at 60# and I've put 2h of singles drills on it. Strung specs workshop out to 343g 32.5cm, 335SW. Although the string looks ready to snap, I might keep this setup on my 3rd racquet and play with it a bit more.

My regular setup is 6g of lead at noon in the form of 4 6" strips under the bumper. That brings my 2 regular rotation frames to 350g, 32cm, and 332-334SW, measured on an RDC. Haven't been able to find a setup so far that I like as much as this one, but the 12g split between 3&9 is giving it a run for the money right now because I feel more confident driving through the return of serve on the 1hbh high.

Still my favourite midplus frame that I've ever tried.

 

[ls206]

I was looking at the resi pro grip but wondered if it would be a bit too thin?
I have to say, I wasn't keen on this frame with the leather grip it just felt so much better with the weight right at the buttcap rather then distributed up the handle.

I've not noticed any lack of stability with lead just at the top of the hoop. 12g at 3 & 9 must feel super solid, do you lose much spin with that setup?

 

[dnj30]

I'm surprised you guys are getting the sw up into the 335 range with just 5-7g in the hoop. I have mine (16m) set up with 5g in the hoop and overwrap for a total weight of 341g. When I had it tested on RDC the sw was 316 strung.

 

[Irvin]

I'm surprised you guys are getting the sw up into the 335 range with just 5-7g in the hoop. I have mine (16m) set up with 5g in the hoop and overwrap for a total weight of 341g. When I had it tested on RDC the sw was 316 strung.

Which racket do you have?

 

[dnj30]

Which racket do you have?

Tfight 315 ltd 16m

 

[Hnefi]

I was looking at the resi pro grip but wondered if it would be a bit too thin?
I have to say, I wasn't keen on this frame with the leather grip it just felt so much better with the weight right at the buttcap rather then distributed up the handle.

I've not noticed any lack of stability with lead just at the top of the hoop. 12g at 3 & 9 must feel super solid, do you lose much spin with that setup?

It is definitely a thinner grip. I'm playing the other 2 with leather and wilson pro OG, and to be honest when I'm playing real tennis and focusing on a match, I don't notice the 1/2 size difference. I should mention all of the 3 I've customized with TK82S pallets and Head pro buttcaps w. trap door, which changes the feel of the grip a bit.

With 6g at noon the frame still has decent stability, but I figured the 12g split would absolutely feel like a brick from the baseline, and it does. Regarding spin generation, I've always been a believer that spin is 99% technique, so I don't really think like that when I'm trying a new setup. My thought process is just "how does this setup feel on shot X or shot Y."

I'm surprised you guys are getting the sw up into the 335 range with just 5-7g in the hoop. I have mine (16m) set up with 5g in the hoop and overwrap for a total weight of 341g. When I had it tested on RDC the sw was 316 strung.

When I got my first 2 16M's, I measured the unstrung SW, and they came in at 277 and 281 Unstrung - with gut/poly they ended up 307 and 312 so almost exactly 30 pts added by strings. It was fairly easy to get them up to 330+ by adding 6g right under the bumper, plus overgrip, dampener, etc etc... I have 6 of these frames and I've never experienced one with the 301 strung SW that TW reports. I think they must have measured an under-spec one for the website, since mine come in 8-10g heavier as well than the listed 328g.

 

[ls206]

@dnj30 what was your stock swingweight? Mine was 280 so adding 5g to 12 I was able to increase the swingweight by 15 points

 

[ls206]

@Hnefi when you changed to the TK82S pallets were you not able to reuse the original buttcaps? I want to change the pallets on mine, the rectangular shape makes for more blisters.

I totally agree about spin and technique however this article suggests that lead at 3&9 reduces maneuverability and thus the ease of altering the racquet face angle for spin production.
http://www.tennisindustrymag.com/articles/2005/02/a_new_twist_on_the_twistweight.html

 

[Hnefi]

@Hnefi when you changed to the TK82S pallets were you not able to reuse the original buttcaps? I want to change the pallets on mine, the rectangular shape makes for more blisters.

I totally agree about spin and technique however this article suggests that lead at 3&9 reduces maneuverability and thus the ease of altering the racquet face angle for spin production.
http://www.tennisindustrymag.com/articles/2005/02/a_new_twist_on_the_twistweight.html

I never tried to re-use them, since I wanted the trapdoor that Head buttcaps have. However, I don't think you would be able to, since they have a much more rectangular shape than the Head buttcaps for the TK82S pallet.

It's possible that moving from a hyper-polarized setup (lead at the ends) to 3&9 would make the racquet less whippy, but honestly I don't give too much thought to it. Even if maneuverability is decreased, I don't see that affecting spin generation. It's not like you are consciously closing the racquet face when you sense the ball is on the strings to somehow get more spin - that's overthinking it. Maneuverability is chiefly felt on reflex volleys in my experience, and that has more to do with balance than swingweight or twistweight, which is how the PS85 feels super fast around the net even though it has a massive static weight and crazy plowthrough.

 

[Irvin]

I'm surprised you guys are getting the sw up into the 335 range with just 5-7g in the hoop. I have mine (16m) set up with 5g in the hoop and overwrap for a total weight of 341g. When I had it tested on RDC the sw was 316 strung.

(your racket) Tfight 315 ltd 16m

The specs you're seeing is more in line withe the posted specs for that racket http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Tecnifibre_TFight_315_Ltd_TP_ATP_16_Main/descpageRCTFUSA-315L16.html

Each gram you add to the head at 12 raises the SW by 3 points, but when many people add weight the assume a set length gives you a set weight. I've seen 1/2" lead tape range from 1/2 - 1 gram.

 

[dnj30]

@dnj30 what was your stock swingweight? Mine was 280 so adding 5g to 12 I was able to increase the swingweight by 15 points

Never got the stock sw. I just just it measured after I had made alterations. I am pretty happy with the racket the way it is,
Just curious in general about specs.

 

[Hnefi]

Never got the stock sw. I just just it measured after I had made alterations. I am pretty happy with the racket the way it is,
Just curious in general about specs.

Check out the earlier posts in this thread - a lot of the high level guys were reporting similar observations as you, that it plays bigger than the SW number.

I have always been skeptical of the low SW number posted on TW, as all 6 of mine come in 8-10pts higher before any lead. But who cares really! I get em up to 330 with lead & bluetac and enjoy the feel. Total goat stick.

 

[Power Player]

I measured mine on an RDC when I got them and the SW is indeed that low. But nothing a little lead cold not fix. You put some at 12 and you are good to go with this frame.

Legendary player's stick. One of the best recently released.

 

[dnj30]

Check out the earlier posts in this thread - a lot of the high level guys were reporting similar observations as you, that it plays bigger than the SW number.

I have always been skeptical of the low SW number posted on TW, as all 6 of mine come in 8-10pts higher before any lead. But who cares really! I get em up to 330 with lead & bluetac and enjoy the feel. Total goat stick.

I do love it the way it is. My previous rackets were in the 330sw neighborhood, and the tec feels great to me even tho its measured at 316. Such a great feeling stick.

 

[JohnBPittsburgh]

Has anyone tried to put the Angell pallets on these 315 LTD's?

 

[JohnBPittsburgh]

I figured it out, the answer is no It was worth a shot though!

 

[Power Player]

Just use TGK pallets. You can use the Wilson shaped one and be fine.

 

[ls206]

Sticking with the pallet talk.

Those of you that have replace the TK82 with TK82S, did you have a gap between the new pallets where they meet?
I've just fitted the TK82S pallets and they don't touch each other, there's a 2mm gap, is this expected?

 

[ls206]

Sticking with the pallet talk.

Those of you that have replace the TK82 with TK82S, did you have a gap between the new pallets where they meet?
I've just fitted the TK82S pallets and they don't touch each other, there's a 2mm gap, is this expected?

bump

hoping to get an answer before I staple the buttcap on.

 

[Irvin]

If there is a gap of 2 mm on the top and bottom that will make you grip more square and build up the overall circumference by 4 mm or 0.16" which is over 1/8" so you will have 1+ grip size larger when you finish.

 

[JohnBPittsburgh]

FWIW, when i swapped pallets on my Angells, they were flush, and exactly like the other pallets. I would think that all pallets are this way. The material is thicker or thinner depending on the grip size, they all fit the same. (so I would think you either got messed up pallets (manufacturing error), or there is something you aren't seeing that is blocking them from laying correctly)

 

[Irvin]

@JohnBPittsburgh Tecnifibre does not sell pallets (not in US anyway) so whatever pallets were used were not made and supplied by Tecnifibre.

EDIT: Also the pallets I've seen appear to be 1 piece not positive though. Maybe @ls206 can chime in here.

EDIT: Tecnifibre rackets are made in China (I'm pretty sure) so there may be some after market 2 piece pallets that may work. Just sound like to me the gap is not good. But if you're looking for a wider grip it may just be what you want.

 

[Irvin]

An alternative is you want to use the TK82S is to measure the old pallet before you take it off and the new pallet put together and see if they are the same or expected dimensions befor you glue the pallets in place. Some glue expand while setting and could cause the gap. Maybe you need to clamp the pallets while drying maybe you need to grind the inside to fit.

 

[JohnBPittsburgh]

Yeah, I knew they were aftermarket pallets. I have been looking at them on several European websites. Good suggestions ^^^ Ls206, can you post pics of the two pallets next to each other? I was considering getting them, to change a grip size, and interested in what the outcome is.

 

[ls206]

Thanks for the input, hopefully these pics will help to clear things up.

TK82 top, TK82S bottom (uncut)

You can see that the pallets sit flush on the handle/hairpin but the sides don't extend to meet each other.
Hopefully it's possible to make out that the squarer shape of the S is being provided by the shape pallet rather than relying on a gap once fitted.

 

[chay337]

@ls206
EDIT: Those eyelets are really great. I've already asked if they can be bought separately and they can't. I've actually taken off the bumper of my 315 Dynacore after it had been strung a few times and replaced the same old bumper after adding weight and doing a bit of straightening on the outer grommets. At least the tie off grommets are not mushroomed which helps a lot.

Do the 315 Dynacore grommets fit 315 Limited 16M?

 

[Irvin]

Do the 315 Dynacore grommets fit 315 Limited 16M?

No

 

[chay337]

Thanks.

They weren't kidding about their QC of 315 LTDs.
My copy weighed in exactly at 315.0g and 31cm bal on the Alpha board. Didn't get to measure the SW.

 

[JohnBPittsburgh]

These racquets are pretty special, it seems as though the hype has gone down due to the fact they require some skill to use properly. I wonder if Tecnifibre is going to keep the line going, or kill them off. I don't think there is enough demand for them to re-release them.

 

[Irvin]

@JohnBPittsburgh if you're interested in the 315 Ltd. I would stock up on them now. You may want to get some grommets too.

 

[JohnBPittsburgh]

Yeah, I talked with Tecnifbre rep, there are some left in the warehouse, but I don't see them lasting long. Thank you for the heads up!!

 

[langdon0555]

Did/does anybody notice the grip on these are kinda short? Especially for a 2 handed backhand.

 

[Irvin]

@langdon0555 With a 1HBH I would not notice something like that.

 

[RollTrackTake]

@JohnBPittsburgh if you're interested in the 315 Ltd. I would stock up on them now. You may want to get some grommets too.

Has TF had a better selling racquet than this one since it launched in 2013? The initial hype may have abated somewhat but this is still the best racquet I've tried from them. and that includes the last two versions of the TFight & TFlash series in 300 & 315 weight classes. I understand that doing limited run productions is costly. They should look at all options, including a Head Custom type of deal for this phenomenal racquet.

 

[Irvin]

@RollTrackTake sorry I can't answer the question about which one sells best. I do like the Ltd better than the other 300s and 315s but my favorite is the T-Fight 320 TP ATP 16M hands down.

EDIT: To tell you the truth I think it is all a matter of weight, balance, head size, and flex. I let a guy hit with my 325 just for a demo. He said it was too heavy for him. I told him it was 12 g lighter than his Pure Storm and he didn't believe it.

 

[RollTrackTake]

@RollTrackTake sorry I can't answer the question about which one sells best. I do like the Ltd better than the other 300s and 315s but my favorite is the T-Fight 320 TP ATP 16M hands down.

EDIT: To tell you the truth I think it is all a matter of weight, balance, head size, and flex. I let a guy hit with my 325 just for a demo. He said it was too heavy for him. I told him it was 12 g lighter than his Pure Storm and he didn't believe it.

I never hit the 320 ATP. It's only 5 grams more than the 315 so for me weight shouldn't be a huge issue. How do they compare? Is the 320 as plush? Power? Control?

 

[djnemo]

I never hit the 320 ATP. It's only 5 grams more than the 315 so for me weight shouldn't be a huge issue. How do they compare? Is the 320 as plush? Power? Control?

It's been discussed earlier in this thread but the 320 is stiffer, has more power and more spin, but less control than 315ltd. You can lead up the 315 to get similar results, but the feel will always be softer on the 315 ltd.

 

[Irvin]

I never hit the 320 ATP. It's only 5 grams more than the 315 so for me weight shouldn't be a huge issue. How do they compare? Is the 320 as plush? Power? Control?

The balance point on the 320 is lower and SW is lower. They are both TP (silicone in handle) I think the 320 has a little more power because of the higher weight and lower center of mass. 320 is also 95 si. The 320 though had little following so it is pretty much gone.