Tennis_Hands
Banned
I tend to stay with my racquets for 8-10 years at a time. Do you think that I will be spared the health issues, if I bet on one of them for my long term racquet?
Tecnifibre T-Rebound 298 Iga Swiatek signature racquet
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I tend to stay with my racquets for 8-10 years at a time. Do you think that I will be spared the health issues, if I bet on one of them for my long term racquet?
galapagos
Hall of Fame
Mleh, his paintjob is probably my biggest paintjob disappointment ever...
galapagos
Hall of Fame
This is very personal. I know some amazing junior players with new pure drive . They are amazing to watch. Sometimes tennis should be easy and fun Right ?I tend to stay with my racquets for 8-10 years at a time. Do you think that I will be spared the health issues, if I bet on one of them for my long term racquet?
hitting those bombs. I had in a past Major racquet (company that i believe later was transformed into tecnifibre) and the frame was AMAZING. The specs looked pretty similar to Iga’s. I might find the photo somewhere. Long time ago i tried to identify the racquet but No luck... i was wondering what are the exact specs.... beam was thick and light. Great spin and control. Absolutely No issues with comfort. Think - control oriented pure aeroTennis_Hands
Banned
This is very personal. I know some amazing junior players with new pure drive . They are amazing to watch. Sometimes tennis should be easy and fun Right ?
I really hope that you are right. I would love to have something like the racquet with those specs that plays without discomfort. It would be pretty much ideal for me, I know it. Let's see what they have got.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
yea with Better backhand
Babolat Pure Drive, Yonex Vcore 100, virtually every recent 295g – 300g Volkl racquet, Pro Staff 97L, Tecnifibre Tfight 295 RS/ 300 RS/ 305 RS, Head Instinct MP, Yonex Ezone 100, ProKennex Ki 15, etc.
If the racquet is wholly different, Tecnifibre leaves themselves unguarded against lawsuits and such; keeping the frame mostly the same protects them against that.
Many, many people prefer/use stiff frames, Roger Federer being a prominent current example. Moreover, at the collegiate level Babolat Pure Drives, Pure Aeros and Pure Strikes are extremely common. Yes, stiffer racquets are likelier to cause tennis elbow, but on the flip side heavier, flexible racquets are likelier to cause wear and tear on the shoulder on account of their weight (if one doesn't have very classic strokes). And whether one succumbs to tennis elbow is not purely affected by chance, but also by a player's physical constitution; some players are just more resistant to it and can thusly afford to use stiffer racquets.
Automatix
Legend
Ummmm... no. All Tecnifibre has to do is use the proper terms such as "endorse" instead of "use" and put disclaimers here and there. And note that I specifically wrote Tecnifibre, what the stores write isn't their problem.
Using the same mold makes it tough to prove she's using something else because it will go down to layup and layup alone. Different stiffness? There are tolerances, they can always say that she just gets hairpins with the lowest stiffness picked up of the lot.
You won't have a case.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
The Instinct was killed because there was no interest, the RS line is brand new, so there can be no talk about what people prefer regarding its place, the Vcore 100 has been killed by Ezone, which also turned out to be an elbow wrecker. Fact is, most people change their stiff racquets before long.
That matter has already been resolved by the companies. A disclaimer is enough to take care of any legal problems, but you didn't understand my question: I asked why would TF go to the lengths of changing an already unique layup created for Iga, instead of, you know ... use it in the retail frame.
Stiffer racquets cause inevitably issues, even to the people with bionic arms. The pros are not a good example: they make a living out of playing tennis, and would sacrifice long term health for the success they are playing for. The general consumer is advised to stay away from such sacrifices: he/she is not getting anything other than enjoyment (hopefully). Sacrificing his/her health just to look like their favourite player is stupid beyond belief.
I don't know what evidence you have to say that these racquets have been "killed," given they all remain on the market. My citing these racquets was simply to answer your asking me what ~300g high-stiffness racquets exist. 300g racquets almost all the time must be stiffer to compensate for the lack of weight. By and large, the popularity of 300g racquets provides a great amount of evidence for the popularity of stiffer racquets.
Because it wouldn't sell as well if it were too soft and, therefore, power-deficient at the 298g unstrung weight, as I said earlier.
Heavy flexible racquets inevitably cause issues by wearing on the shoulder. Moving on the court inevitably causes issues by straining the ankles and joints. Holding the racuqet inevitably causes calluses. Playing tennis inevitably causes issues. Running inevitably causes issues. Doing anything strenuous inevitably causes issues. The fact of the matter is, while stiffer racquets obviously increase the odds of getting tennis elbow, with modern dampening measures, using stiff racquets is not a death sentence for one's elbows. And for those for whom elbow issues are a sure thing, they should give stiffer racquets a wide berth.
I also don't know why you're putting words in my mouth, as though I were suggesting that people use stiff racquets because they want to look like Federer or something. People who use stiff racquets do so — or at least, should do so — because it better suits their game. And this isn't limited to pros anyway. College players and high school players too use them. Stiffer racquets are a great boon for many competitive players at many levels — not everybody, but many.
Stiffer racquets are a superior choice for some people, and therefore stiffer racquets should not be categorically avoided.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
I was simply responding that they are not very popular which is why some of them are on their last legs (Instinct), and some of them are so new (the RS line), that we will have to wait and seee see whether they stay the way they are in the long term.
Also, you are wrong about the "need" for the lighter racquets to be "stiff". Stiff comes in the equation when one wants more "free" power, and that is neither here, nor there. We want different things from our racquets.
TF needs quality frames to be able to tackle the competition of the big manufacturers, not frames that are like everything else on the market. If they go to the pains of producing a signature frame with specific layup for Iga, they might just as well release it and see what happens. They can always "dumb it down", if it doesn't sell well.
I read and know personally many more people suffering from TE, than all other problems mentioned combined (including running). There is a reason for that, and it is called "stiff racquets". By all means, people can use whatever they want, I am just not "people".
You literally introduced Federer (as a pro) to the conversation. I just explained that pros do that for a living, so their example is not very adequate, and then went on to discuss the reality, which is that the overwhelming majority of people look up to the pros to decide their racquet choices, instead of what is good for their health or their games. Oftentimes people choose stiff racquets to compensate for the lack of proper technique (probably the most prevalent occurrence from all the factors in these matters), which in turn robs them of generating their own power. That is why the recreational players are swinging Pure Aeros.
Anyway, I think that at this point the conversation is all over the place. I simply wanted to say that it will be good, if TF decides to sell Iga's actual racquet instead of creating the absurd of creating a signature layup just to remove it from her signature frame. For me personally the allure of that will be a potential softer racquet. If someone is not happy with that I can understand why he would want an RA71 to up the "free" power of the frame (we know that nothing is really "free", one pays one way or another).
Alexh22
Professional
I really hope TF can release a true Iga racquet just like the prince 100 she used to win her first major. Please don’t follow what Head did for Djokovic in 2009: signing him back and released a full new line of paintjob and scrapped the old radical line Djokovic actually used. That was the most ridiculous misrepresentation I have ever seen. What a wasted potential.
ron schaap
Hall of Fame
maybe she is using softer string strung at low tension?
galapagos
Hall of Fame
haha I guess this thread is head to head with Blade v8 and Wilson's quality control issues xD
ClaudTT
Semi-Pro
The stiff racket high frequency vibration and shock kill your elbow and forearm tendons. No mitigation from strings changes that unfortunately.
BillKid
Hall of Fame
A stiff string (poly) vs a soft one (multi or SG) makes a huge difference. A stiff poly at high tension can turn any racquet into an arm killer, while a stiff racquet will feel better and be more arm friendly with a softer string. There is a consensus on this (I hope).
ClaudTT
Semi-Pro
What you feel with softer strings is a reduction in shock (force over time fraction) due to a time increment of force absorption, however the racket frame still shakes at its natural frequencies or modes.
Your body receives those forces and translates into fatigue, etc.
So, I hope that you know that and remember not to over abuse your arm, etc.
Think it would be a really deceitful thing from Tecnifibre to release a frame so different from her real one, after going on quite the marketing spree already. Having her interviewed by TW and saying how she helped design it to suit her game, calling it a signature racket, to then try to pull the wool over consumers eyes and release something different would be bang out of order.
esgee48
G.O.A.T.
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It has been known for years that some pros use retail frames, but that many do not. No one can be sure. The ones with major contract endorse a frame(s). They do not say that they use the frame. Even if the racquet appears to be the retail model, you can't tell because there is a phenomenon called paint jobs.
This thread seems be be a voyage of discovery for new users, but a simple search would have told you that you cannot trust what you see in photos and ads. Ads are endorsements if they pay a pro to use something that appears to be similar to retail. Nowhere is it stated that they ARE using it. Clothes are different. Shoes and other equipment that means whether a pro makes $$ or not are something else. You should not believe that shoes are retail. Some shoes probably are retail, but who knows. If a shoe company sponsors that pro, they are probably made from lasts that conform to the pro's feet if not custom fitted.
My [unwanted] advice to you would be to test the model yourself. You certainly don't play at a pro's level, so why would you think that their customized racquet would fit your game? There is a whole spectrum of frames out there.
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It has been known for years that some pros use retail frames, but that many do not. No one can be sure. The ones with major contract endorse a frame(s). They do not say that they use the frame. Even if the racquet appears to be the retail model, you can't tell because there is a phenomenon called paint jobs.
This thread seems be be a voyage of discovery for new users, but a simple search would have told you that you cannot trust what you see in photos and ads. Ads are endorsements if they pay a pro to use something that appears to be similar to retail. Nowhere is it stated that they ARE using it. Clothes are different. Shoes and other equipment that means whether a pro makes $$ or not are something else. You should not believe that shoes are retail. Some shoes probably are retail, but who knows. If a shoe company sponsors that pro, they are probably made from lasts that conform to the pro's feet if not custom fitted.
My [unwanted] advice to you would be to test the model yourself. You certainly don't play at a pro's level, so why would you think that their customized racquet would fit your game? There is a whole spectrum of frames out there.
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A little patronising. My point is more that signature rackets are supposed to be a lot closer than the usual paint jobs over old models.
galapagos
Hall of Fame
at least the mold is the same
beltsman
G.O.A.T.
Umm
BillKid
Hall of Fame
beltsman
G.O.A.T.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
i am not buying this racket now
galapagos
Hall of Fame
at least this was a real mold and not the paintjob Wilson is trying to sell ^^ bad day for Tecnifibre. They still have doubles! Iga perhaps should put everything on one card as she lost to her body. It wasn't a racquet, and it wasnt the opponent. Good match anyway !
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Brilliant!
phanamous
Rookie
I demoed a bunch of the new crops and the Tecnifibre TF40 315 actually felt the most flexy and comfy with its 64 stiffness rating. So something is there about these being foam-filled.
It actually felt much more comfy and flexy, with a nice kick, compared to say a Head 360+ Extreme Tour with a 65 stiffness rating.
This T-Rebound 298 looks interesting as I hope it'll feel like like a slightly stiffer TF40, but 16x19, with room for customization. The more open string pattern will help with comfort.
It actually felt much more comfy and flexy, with a nice kick, compared to say a Head 360+ Extreme Tour with a 65 stiffness rating.
This T-Rebound 298 looks interesting as I hope it'll feel like like a slightly stiffer TF40, but 16x19, with room for customization. The more open string pattern will help with comfort.
tennisboy2121
Rookie
It looked like Iga was having a lot of trouble with Sakkari's pace and how heavey her ball was. Iga was getting pushed around. I am not sure how she gets away with such a low static weight.
Unless she adds lead I agree really. That said she did win 6-0 6-0 in a masters final with the same racket.
"She has more time on the clay where she moves and slides well, on the hard court or grass court it's a little more tougher for her and her forehand becomes a little bit of a weakness. But on clay, I don't know who could overpower her on a clay court." That is the verdict from Eurosport's Mats Wilander, who believes Iga Swiatek can defend her title at Roland Garros.
I guess he found his answer.
Sakkari looks to be in amazing shape. She easily leveraged her advantage and out gunned Swiatek. I thought it was a nice match. Different day the results might be different.
tennisboy2121
Rookie
That is spot on. I think Iga is a great player. Has a possibility to be the best in the world. But I really feel like the light racket will hold her back. I am a die hard Prince fan, so when I saw how amazing she was and using Prince I fell in love. Her racket really holds her back on hard and grass courts. The women's game is getting way more physical again. I believe Sakkari is the best women's player, her mental game is just starting to form this year. I had a hard time watching thr match because I like both of them so much.
galapagos
Hall of Fame
its interesting that she is sometimes too late on her forehand especially that her takeback is rather short and fast. I still think it was more about her stamina after playing both singles and doubles rather than her player profile. You can't win everything. My opinion at least. Imagine Djokovic and Nadal playing doubles Roland Garros ? They would die ;p
tennisboy2121
Rookie
I think that did come into play. But playing doubles on your off day is just like practicing on your off day. Also at age 20 it is completely different then being 30+. But also men playing best of 5 is a different animal. You can't physically play both at a high level.
She faced an amazing player in exceptional shape playing exceptionally. Her heart might've been torn as she has alot on her plate and had tons of expectations. Still see her as a great player and hope she keeps moving up the rankings.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Does this model produce good topspin, in the past when i tried these technifiber rackets, i had major problem producing big easy topspin shots. i wonder if this model produces easy big topspin in around 3000 RPM range ?
ClaudTT
Semi-Pro
ClaudTT
Semi-Pro
Check with your Tennis Pro next time. He/she can give you a couple of tips for guidance.
DustinW
Professional
@A_Instead Seems like it should be very similar to the TFight 300 RS. Have you hit with that? I have a 300RS and I've been enjoying it.
CosmosMpower
Hall of Fame
Sakkari could beat her fellow countryman Citybus in an arm wrestling match 100%
DustinW
Professional
Interesting... I would describe the 300RS as the opposite of that. I feel it flex a bit more than I would expect for a 66 stiffness, and I find it to be really solid and stable feeling for its weight.
phanamous
Rookie
Should have mentioned that I was comparing it to the TF40 315 I demoed at the same time.
I guess they both play softer than the stiffness rating would indicate.
I guess they both play softer than the stiffness rating would indicate.
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