Tennis has the Best Athletes of Any Other Sport

[SLD76]

Where did I say that? Clearly anyone who thinks a a guy who drives a car or rides a horse is the epitome of athletic prowess likes cars and horses. To compare people who rely on a horse or a car to people who actually play sports is just silly. You put the best driver in a crap car and he comes in last. The same with a horse. I never said baseball was the epitome of athletic talent, never said any such thing. But your eurocentric bias is hilarious considering most of you guys throw like girls and dont use your arms for anything.

Again, you are ignorant of the stresses and strains horse and elite car racing put on the body, so yes you are ignorant.

And for your info, Im from frikking New Jersey!

Im not eurocentric, but I know for damn sure F1 drivers are tremendously fit and have crazy reaction and hand eye coordination.

Its not my fault you dont know what you are talking about.

but here, read these articles and get a damn clue. And no, the best driver in a crap car wont finish last. The best driver who is fit will probably finish middle of the pack, as will an unfit crap driver in a great car. a fit driver in a great car will have the best chance of winning. Again, you prove with each statement you have no idea what it means to race as a jockey or F1 driver. Please stop, or at the least get a damn clue.

http://www.edition.cnn.com/2013/08/15/sport/jockey-fitness-horse-racing/index.html


As per the F1 article, I think the 'Nick Alpha Male' is directed at people like you


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/30864-formula-1-are-f1-drivers-considered-athletes/show_full

 

[insideguy]

Again, you are ignorant of the stresses and strains horse and elite car racing put on the body, so yes you are ignorant.

And for your info, Im from frikking New Jersey!

Im not eurocentric, but I know for damn sure F1 drivers are tremendously fit and have crazy reaction and hand eye coordination.

Its not my fault you dont know what you are talking about.

but here, read these articles and get a damn clue. And no, the best driver in a crap car wont finish last. The best driver who is fit will probably finish middle of the pack, as will an unfit crap driver in a great car. a fit driver in a great car will have the best chance of winning. Again, you prove with each statement you have no idea what it means to race as a jockey or F1 driver. Please stop, or at the least get a damn clue.

http://www.edition.cnn.com/2013/08/15/sport/jockey-fitness-horse-racing/index.html


As per the F1 article, I think the 'Nick Alpha Male' is directed at people like you


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/30864-formula-1-are-f1-drivers-considered-athletes/show_full

I didnt say you from europe. I said you were eurocentric. Seriously dude Stop comparing guys who ride horses and drive cars to people who actually play sports. You will never convince me that Richard Petty is a better athlete than Michael Jordan. So give it up. Now you will say well Nascar guys are not as great of athletes as F-1 drivers. Well thats probably true but Richard Petty won a zillion races in your book the guy was a world class athlete. LOL. I think he smoked most of his life.

 

[SLD76]

I didnt say you from europe. I said you were eurocentric. Seriously dude Stop comparing guys who ride horses and drive cars to people who actually play sports. You will never convince me that Richard Petty is a better athlete than Michael Jordan. So give it up. Now you will say well Nascar guys are not as great of athletes as F-1 drivers. Well thats probably true but Richard Petty won a zillion races in your book the guy was a world class athlete. LOL. I think he smoked most of his life.

First of all, who ever said Nascar? LOL And hells no, Nascar guys arent in the same universe as F1.

Again, I specifically said F1 drivers. I didnt say all race car drivers. And no, Im not a particularly huge horse racing fan, but I understand the rigor it takes to be a jockey.

And whoever said basketball?

First off, why even mention Jordan? Talk about false equivalencies. Micheal Jordan is indeed a world class athlete in terms of skill and raw athleticism, but its not like every pro baller is at his level. There are guys who can be skilled without being the best athletes.

Its however my contention that, even the least skilled F1 driver has to be a tremendous physical athlete just to even compete at that level.

But feel free to maintain your ignorance that its just 'guys sitting in a car/on a horse'

And LMAO@ you for denigrating rice car drivers who like...could very well *die* in a race if they arent fit enough, due to lack of concentration and brain power from inferior cardio, or they could wreck their car if they arent strong enough to control it, not to mention the decreased brain and muscle control due to dehydration..but yeah, a guy standing in an outfield needs more consideration because he plays a 'sport'

LMAO!

 

[objectivity]

i think basketball athletes -- the small forwards and shooting guards especially -- are the top athletes anywhere. their combination of strength, agility, hand-eye coordination, speed and stamina, is almost unmatched. i seriously can't think of a better all-round athlete anywhere than lebron james.

 

[insideguy]

First of all, who ever said Nascar? LOL And hells no, Nascar guys arent in the same universe as F1.

Again, I specifically said F1 drivers. I didnt say all race car drivers. And no, Im not a particularly huge horse racing fan, but I understand the rigor it takes to be a jockey.

And whoever said basketball?

First off, why even mention Jordan? Talk about false equivalencies. Micheal Jordan is indeed a world class athlete in terms of skill and raw athleticism, but its not like every pro baller is at his level. There are guys who can be skilled without being the best athletes.

Its however my contention that, even the least skilled F1 driver has to be a tremendous physical athlete just to even compete at that level.

But feel free to maintain your ignorance that its just 'guys sitting in a car/on a horse'

I just have never seen Jean Cruguet the rider of Seattle Slew considered by anyone as one of the greatest athletes of all time. I am sorry. You can stamp your feet all you want but no one is going to say he was a better athlete than Ali,or Nadal, or Willie Mays, or Ted williams, or Pele, or Borg, or Carl lewis or hundreds of other athletes in history.

 

[KOFS]

Best Athletes basketball players, fast, jumping, and strong.

 

[SLD76]

I just have never seen Jean Cruguet the rider of Seattle Slew considered by anyone as one of the greatest athletes of all time. I am sorry. You can stamp your feet all you want but no one is going to say he was a better athlete than Ali,or Nadal, or Willie Mays, or Ted williams, or Pele, or Borg, or Carl lewis or hundreds of other athletes in history.

Carl Lewis was a doper.

try again.

ETA: and by the looks of the names of the athletes you mentioned, i can only assume you are considering American sports journalist opinons. And yes that goes for Borg too , because in Borg's day tennis was alot more popular in the US than it is now, comparatively.

So I guess If im eurocentric you are Americentric?

Rofl, how is Nadal the best athlete when he is always hurt?

 

[insideguy]

Carl Lewis was a doper.

try again.

LOL. Put any athlete you want in their Jordan, Ronaldo, Phelps, James, Bolt, Lemieux, Gretsky,Sampras, Fed, good lord dude no one considers horse racers as great athletes in their class.

 

[SLD76]

LOL. Put any athlete you want in their Jordan, Ronaldo, Phelps, James, Bolt, Lemieux, Gretsky,Sampras, Fed, good lord dude no one considers horse racers as great athletes in their class.

Hmm, maybe its because horse racing isnt as popular?

You seem to equate popular opinion as fact based and not just as a popularity contest.

I didnt say jockeys were the best athletes, I said they are fit athletes, and for damn sure require more fitness and endurance than the avg baseball player.

Notice I didnt say skill, I said fittest.

its useless to compare jockey skills to baseball skills, its apples and oranges.

but both sports require hand eye coordination and the ability to process info very quickly. Add in the endurance and strength requirements of jockeys and yeah, Im saying it, they probably are much fitter and just as strong as the avg baseball player.

I guess to you a sport isnt a sport unless it involves a ball or a boxing/mma glove.,

 

[insideguy]

Hmm, maybe its because horse racing isnt as popular?

You seem to equate popular opinion as fact based and not just as a popularity contest.

I didnt say jockeys were the best athletes, I said they are fit athletes, and for damn sure require more fitness and endurance than the avg baseball player.

Notice I didnt say skill, I said fittest.

its useless to compare jockey skills to baseball skills, its apples and oranges.

but both sports require hand eye coordination and the ability to process info very quickly. Add in the endurance and strength requirements of jockeys and yeah, Im saying it, they probably are much fitter and just as strong as the avg baseball player.

I guess to you a sport isnt a sport unless it involves a ball or a boxing/mma glove.,

Its not about being popular its about people dont consider jockies to be on the par with great athletes. I am sorry. Thats just the way it is. Horse racing is pretty popular the triple crown is very well attended. No one knows who the jockies are they remember the horse.Wrestling is not a popular sport but no one is not going to say those guys are not amazing athletes. Their strength,cardio speed and flexibility is incredible. Of course most dont know or dont care but they are on par with boxers for being in total shape.

 

[LaneMyer]

Dude you are on crack.

Aint no way in hell that Trout is among the best athletes in the world in as a baseball player.

Does it take tremendous skill to play baseball? Absolutely!

Does Trout have strength? Yes

Hand eye? Yes

Speed, in short bursts, sure.


Endurance? Hell no.

And yes I get it, 162 game schedule yadda yadda.

But you act like a baseball game is constant action from start to finish. Maybe for the pitchers and catchers but hardly for anyone else.

Is mike trout a good athlete blessed with tremendous hand eye coordination and skill? Yes.

But Id still put an F1 driver and for that matter, the worst horse jockey ahead of him. Horse jockeys and F1 drivers have to have great reflexes, tremendous strength in the arms and core to control the car(horse), and in the case of F1 drivers, endure huge G forces on their necks and shoulders as they turn and corner. And both horse jockeys and F1 drivers need the stamina of an Olympic marathoner or triathelete to withstand the rigors of a race, and in the case of F1 drivers, a race where they will lose body fluids to the point where the average person would pass out or be completely delirious. And all the while, the F1 driver and horse jockey as their body is physically punished, have to remain alert enough mentally to make split second decisions given the conditions of their vehicle(horse), the course, and surrounding competition. I give the nod to F1 drivers over jockeys because the average horse race is a few laps around while the average F1 race is like 60-70 laps in usually extreme temperatures(on the track and in the car itself). I doubt many if any baseball players even at the pro level have a resting heartbeat below 50, much less below 40 which is commong for F1 drivers.

Again to make my point, an F1 driver competed in an Olympic regulation triathelete event and finsished 35 minutes off of the Olympic record. And thats not even this dude's main profession! How you can proclaim a baseball player as an elite athlete is absurd or rather, born of just plain ignorance.

How would you know how much endurance Mike Trout has? A: You don't. Speed in short bursts? What does that even mean? What is center field like 15 feet wide now? Excellent work glossing over all of your errors too btw. You obviously know nothing about baseball, which should come as no surprise as I thought your user id sounded familiar, now I recall who you are. You're the delusional soul who proclaimed MMA was the 4th most popular sport in the US

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7410268&postcount=15

so yeah, the 'sport' whose main promotion's TV show fails to outdraw cartoon reruns on cable is the 4th most popular sport according to some Jersey Boy. Back to the shore, Vinny. F1 drivers....ok. You may as well and throw in NASCAR drivers too. I happened to grow up with two of them, Ryan Newman and Stremme. They didn't play any sports and were generally awkward at everything in gym class. I don't know why you think endurance level is some great identifier for athletes, but to each his own. Cardio training seems like something most anyone can do with enough discipline and training if they're healthy enough to do it. I assume you are familiar with Cross Fit programs that pretty much every major city has. All of those guys are capable of running marathons. What they aren't capable of doing is pretty much everything Mike Trout is capable of besides running. Marathon runners, decathletes all possess certain impressive traits. Unfortunately what they do not possess is participation in a sport. If you have a grand interest in seeing who is best at exercising, more power to you.

 

[SLD76]

Its not about being popular its about people dont consider jockies to be on the par with great athletes. I am sorry. Thats just the way it is. Horse racing is pretty popular the triple crown is very well attended. No one knows who the jockies are they remember the horse.Wrestling is not a popular sport but no one is not going to say those guys are not amazing athletes. Their strength,cardio speed and flexibility is incredible. Of course most dont know or dont care but they are on par with boxers for being in total shape.

no, you are just biased and wrong.

And of course no one considers the jockeys as its all about the horse. Always was and always will be. But just because it is the status quo doesnt make it right or accurate.

It doesdnt negate the incredible athletic ability(i.e. fitness, balance, endurance, stamina) it takes to be a great jockey.

My point wasnt to rank the renown of jockeys compared to other athltes. My point, again, is that pound for pound, jockeys are right up there with other extreme athletes.

 

[SLD76]

How would you know how much endurance Mike Trout has? A: You don't. Speed in short bursts? What does that even mean? What is center field like 15 feet wide now? Excellent work glossing over all of your errors too btw. You obviously know nothing about baseball, which should come as no surprise as I thought your user id sounded familiar, now I recall who you are. You're the delusional soul who proclaimed MMA was the 4th most popular sport in the US

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7410268&postcount=15

so yeah, the 'sport' whose main promotion's TV show fails to outdraw cartoon reruns on cable is the 4th most popular sport according to some Jersey Boy. Back to the shore, Vinny. F1 drivers....ok. You may as well and throw in NASCAR drivers too. I happened to grow up with two of them, Ryan Newman and Stremme. They didn't play any sports and were generally awkward at everything in gym class. I don't know why you think endurance level is some great identifier for athletes, but to each his own. Cardio training seems like something most anyone can do with enough discipline and training if they're healthy enough to do it. I assume you are familiar with Cross Fit programs that pretty much every major city has. All of those guys are capable of running marathons. What they aren't capable of doing is pretty much everything Mike Trout is capable of besides running. Marathon runners, decathletes all possess certain impressive traits. Unfortunately what they do not possess is participation in a sport. If you have a grand interest in seeing who is best at exercising, more power to you.

Is MMA not popular in the us? Correct me if I am wrong? I mean, to hear you tell it, you make it like MMA is a fringe sport. Every time I turn around there is another PPV event and its on tv fairly often so..I dont see how what I said was so far off. And if Im wrong, what does it have to do with the price of tea in china?

LMAO, so you grew up with 2 nascar drivers makes you an expert on F1?

and what is this moronic equivalency that you and insideguy have that somehow what is popular is also the toughest?

You do realize F1 is very popular outside of the US, yes?

nobody gives a crap about marathoners til the Olympics so what...marathon running is only tough every 4 years?

ROFLMAO!


Also, I know plenty about baseball. I know that while it takes tremendous skill and talent to excel...it does not neccesarily require the most athleticim. No doubt guys like outfielders and infielders(aside from first base) need to be fast, but...tell me why then, do so many infielders when they are past it are put in the outfield if it takes almighty speed to even be halfway decent?

ROFL, I remember so many Yanks fans begging manangement to put Jeter in RF so they could get a younger guy to man shortstop, no doubt due to the short porch in Yankee stadium, not too much field to patrol and even a past it Jeter is fast enough to be adequate in the position, or so the argument went.

. And pray tell why do so many other washed up third baseman and short stops, failed catchers who can still hit( or guys who are slow in general and with not great hands, but can hit) end up at first base?

As for speed in short bursts. Let me break it down so you can follow.

Mike Trout can run fast after a ball and catch it

This probably takes him anywhere from 5 to 30 seconds to do.

Lets see him run that fast for say 10 - 30 minutes.

Ok?

So yes, we can observe that he has good speed in a short amount of time.

We know nothing of his ability to endure and sustain such.

In general, baseball players train for explosiveness and strength and power.

They train for endurance in the sense of its a long season, not in the sense of I have to perform at a certain level for an hour or so non stop.

So again, because Im sensing a lack of reading comprehension

do you want to debate skill? or do you want to debate athleticism?

 

[LaneMyer]

Is MMA not popular in the us? Correct me if I am wrong? I mean, to hear you tell it, you make it like MMA is a fringe sport. Every time I turn around there is another PPV event and its on tv fairly often so..I dont see how what I said was so far off.


LMAO, so you grew up with 2 nascar drivers makes you an expert on F1?

and what is this moronic equivalency that you and insideguy have that somehow what is popular is also the toughest?

You do realize F1 is very popular outside of the US, yes?

nobody gives a crap about marathoners til the Olympics so what...marathon running is only tough every 4 years?

ROFLMAO!


Also, I know plenty about baseball. I know that while it takes tremendous skill and talent to excel...it does not neccesarily require the most athleticim. No doubt guys like outfielders and infielders(aside from first base) need to be fast, but...tell me why then, do so many infielders when they are past it are put in the outfield if it takes almighty speed to even be halfway decent?

ROFL, I remember so many Yanks fans begging manangement to put Jeter in RF so they could get a younger guy to man shortstop, no doubt due to the short porch in Yankee stadium, not too much field to patrol and even a past it Jeter is fast enough to be adequate in the position, or so the argument went.

. And pray tell why do so many other washed up third baseman and short stops, failed catchers who can still hit( or guys who are slow in general and with not great hands, but can hit) end up at first base?

Sure I guess MMA is popular, if you consider that it's ratings are about a 1/3 of pro wrestling which is widely considered fringe. BTW, sorry to be a Negative Nelly and all, but I just ran across this

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/31/schumacher-and-f1s-oldest-ever-drivers/

it's a bit dated now, perhaps there are more geriatrics since, but I'm seeing 10 AARP reps participating in F1 races. How many 55 year old center fielders have you seen patrolling Yankee Stadium? Or NFLers, or NBAers, or NHLers or you know, any actual athletes. Seems "athletes" of that age group are typically reserved for golf, bowling, glue factory jockeys, or auto racing. Aj Foyt was 60 in his last Indy Car race, btw. Go ahead and keep beating that drum, Vinny. Your words to sense ratio is highly entertaining.


Mike Trout can run fast after a ball and catch it

This probably takes him anywhere from 5 to 30 seconds to do.

Lets see him run that fast for say 10 - 30 minutes.

Ok?

So yes, we can observe that he has good speed in a short amount of time.

We know nothing of his ability to endure and sustain such.

In general, baseball players train for explosiveness and strength and power.

They train for endurance in the sense of its a long season, not in the sense of I have to perform at a certain level for an hour or so non stop.

So again, because Im sensing a lack of reading comprehension

do you want to debate skill? or do you want to debate athleticism?
__________________

And again, you know for certain that Trout can't run for 30+ minutes, how exactly? Because it's not required during the span of a baseball game? He doesn't do extensive cardio work? You know this how exactly? Please post a link to the article where Mike Trout declares he can't run very fast for an extended period. What I do know as fact, is that he played QB and safety in high school football. Safeties have to run for extended periods, correct? I also know he was an All Conference basketball player in high school as well. Basketball players have to run and pivot and cut a lot, correct? So all of that just went away, I suppose. Just looked up a scouting report for Trout that the HOF posts online. In addition to the football and basketball stuff I just mentioned, here are a few more tidbits from the personal section. "He can dunk a basketball with ease. He shoots in the 90s during rounds of golf, but hits his drives into neighboring counties. He’s good at table tennis and rolled a personal high of 286 in bowling. He still laments the 300 game that got away." So he was 3 sport star in high school. He's was shooting in the 90's as a 17 year old, and oh btw he's good at ping pong and bowling too.

 

[jrs]

I wish they would go back to manual gearboxes

I wish F1 still used V10's rather than the V6 turbos they will have this year.

I wish they would back to manual gearboxes - this automatic shifting is bogus!!!

 

[SLD76]

Sure I guess MMA is popular, if you consider that it's ratings are about a 1/3 of pro wrestling which is widely considered fringe. BTW, sorry to be a Negative Nelly and all, but I just ran across this

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/31/schumacher-and-f1s-oldest-ever-drivers/

it's a bit dated now, perhaps there are more geriatrics since, but I'm seeing 10 AARP reps participating in F1 races. How many 55 year old center fielders have you seen patrolling Yankee Stadium lately? Or NFLers, or NBAers, or NHLers or you know, any actual athletes. Seems "athletes" of that age group are typically reserved for golf, bowling, glue factory jockeys, or auto racing. Aj Foyt was 60 in his last Indy Car race, btw. Go ahead and keep beating that drum, Vinny. Your words to sense ratio is highly entertaining.

GTFO and ROFLMAO

First off, did you read the list?? More than half the guys listed were racing in the damn 50's when you can barely compare F1 then as it is now. Also, Schumacher was around 30 when he first retired, was gone for like 4-5 years and has done jack all since returning. F1 like tennis is a young man's game.
Honestly, I dont even know the point you were trying to make by posting that lol.

Also, why are you mentioning Indy and Nascar when I was talking about F1, period. Can you stay on topic?

If you dont even consider F1 drivers athletes then there really is no point in talking further with you, I cant overcome your ignorance and bias.

 

[SLD76]

Sure I guess MMA is popular, if you consider that it's ratings are about a 1/3 of pro wrestling which is widely considered fringe. BTW, sorry to be a Negative Nelly and all, but I just ran across this

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/31/schumacher-and-f1s-oldest-ever-drivers/

it's a bit dated now, perhaps there are more geriatrics since, but I'm seeing 10 AARP reps participating in F1 races. How many 55 year old center fielders have you seen patrolling Yankee Stadium lately? Or NFLers, or NBAers, or NHLers or you know, any actual athletes. Seems "athletes" of that age group are typically reserved for golf, bowling, glue factory jockeys, or auto racing. Aj Foyt was 60 in his last Indy Car race, btw. Go ahead and keep beating that drum, Vinny. Your words to sense ratio is highly entertaining.


Mike Trout can run fast after a ball and catch it

This probably takes him anywhere from 5 to 30 seconds to do.

Lets see him run that fast for say 10 - 30 minutes.

Ok?

So yes, we can observe that he has good speed in a short amount of time.

We know nothing of his ability to endure and sustain such.

In general, baseball players train for explosiveness and strength and power.

They train for endurance in the sense of its a long season, not in the sense of I have to perform at a certain level for an hour or so non stop.

So again, because Im sensing a lack of reading comprehension

do you want to debate skill? or do you want to debate athleticism?
__________________

And again, you know for certain that Trout can't run for 30+ minutes, how exactly? Because it's not required during the span of a baseball game? He doesn't do extensive cardio work? You know this how exactly? Please post a link to the article where Mike Trout declares he can't run very fast for an extended period. What I do know as fact, is that he played QB and safety in high school football. Safeties have to run for extended periods, correct? I also know he was an All Conference basketball player in high school as well. Basketball players have to run and pivot and cut a lot, correct? So all of that just went away, I suppose. Just looked up a scouting report for Trout that the HOF posts online. In addition to the football and basketball stuff I just mentioned, here are a few more tidbits from the personal section. "He can dunk a basketball with ease. He shoots in the 90s during rounds of golf, but hits his drives into neighboring counties. He’s good at table tennis and rolled a personal high of 286 in bowling. He still laments the 300 game that got away." So he was 3 sport star in high school. He's was shooting in the 90's as a 17 year old, and oh btw he's good at ping pong and bowling too.

Ok, dude is a good athlete and your point is? I also recall saying that Mike Trout is a stud who emerged and wasnt already close to thirty...but that aside.

Did I ever say baseball has NO good athletes?

What I said was


"Baseball requires alot of skill, hand eye coordination etc ...but does NOT NECCESARILY require great athleticism."

Do you understand that bit?

Meaning, not every guy who can swing a bat or throw a ball is exceptionally fit and athletic, capiche? David Wells, C C Sabathia, big Papi, hell, Miguel Cabrera damn near ate himself out of a field position ...you gonna tell me those guys are athletic machines?

Comprende?

Verstehen?

 

[insideguy]

Ok, dude is a good athlete and your point is? I also recall saying that Mike Trout is a stud who emerged and wasnt already close to thirty...but that aside.

Did I ever say baseball has NO good athletes?

What I said was


"Baseball requires alot of skill, hand eye coordination etc ...but does NOT NECCESARILY require great athleticism."

Do you understand that bit?

Meaning, not every guy who can swing a bat or throw a ball is exceptionally fit and athletic, capiche? David Wells, C C Sabathia, big Papi, hell, Miguel Cabrera damn near ate himself out of a field position ...you gonna tell me those guys are athletic machines?

Comprende?

Verstehen?

You win dude. Horse jockeys and F-1 racers are the best athletes. LOL

 

[SLD76]

You win dude. Horse jockeys and F-1 racers are the best athletes. LOL

sigh.

when did I say jockeys were best?

I said they are top tier athletes.

what I did say was, being a horse jockey or F1 driver demands out of this world fitness. For baseball, its not neccesiarly a requirement. Skill, talent is a requirement, hardwork and repetition to perfect those skills is a requirment, but baseball is simply nowhere near being the most physically demanding sport and you dont need out of this world athletic fitness to be succesful. Being in shape helps , but baseball doesnt require stamina and endurance, it requires power, quick reflexes and explosiveness. Now you may take the latter to be tne end all be all of fitness, but others disagree.

How many Solomon Grundy looking dudes do you see playing 1B at the MLB level? The fact that Josh Hamilton spent his prime years as a drunk crackhead and was still able to come back and be a top level talent speaks alot about baseball fitness.

But whatever, if it aint baseball, football, or hockey its not a real sport to you.

 

[LaneMyer]

Aint no way in hell that Trout is among the best athletes in the world in as a baseball player.

Granted I don't exactly know what you said there given the spelling and grammatical failures. But that's what I ascertained from it. And I'm still waiting for the source to your assertion Trout can't run for an extended period of time or that his cardio is somehow inferior to a dude who's machine does roughly 99% of the work. Let's see how many times you can dodge that question. And yes Indy Car and F1 are on par for me. I'm not Eurotrash so I don't watch or care about F1. What I've been told is that Indy Cars are generally faster but designed to run in straight line racing and F1 for road circuits since their tracks tend not to have oval/straight line racing. So I'll reiterate, AJ Foyt was 60 in the mid 90's participating in their key race. And I'm seeing plenty of F1 race winners in their 40's going back over the past few decades. I'm not even going to entertain the horse jockey thing because I fear that you've suffered some head injury that has no chance to heal.

 

[SLD76]

]still waiting for the source to your assertion Trout can't run for an extended period of time or that his cardio is somehow inferior to a dude who's machine does roughly 99% of the work[/B]. Let's see how many times you can dodge that question. And yes Indy Car and F1 are on par for me. I'm not Eurotrash so I don't watch or care about F1. What I've been told is that Indy Cars are generally faster but designed to run in straight line racing and F1 for road circuits since their tracks tend not to have oval/straight line racing. So I'll reiterate, AJ Foyt was 60 in the mid 90's participating in their key race. And I'm seeing plenty of F1 race winners in their 40's going back over the past few decades.

Ill answer that question when Trout completes an olympic standard ironman triathalon and finishes a mere 35 minutes off the olympic record pace, in a sport that isnt even his main profession. You know, Like F1 driver Jensen Button did.

As per the bolded, thats obvious given your ignorance of the sport.



And baseball doesnt have guys in their 40's? And again, how many of those guys are finishing in the winners podium

And again, its relative. I betchu the 40 yr old F1 driver is miles fitter than a 40 yr old baseball player.

 

[SLD76]

Aint no way in hell that Trout is among the best athletes in the world in as a baseball player.

Granted I don't exactly know what you said there given the spelling and grammatical failures. But that's what I ascertained from it. And I'm still waiting for the source to your assertion Trout can't run for an extended period of time or that his cardio is somehow inferior to a dude who's machine does roughly 99% of the work. Let's see how many times you can dodge that question. And yes Indy Car and F1 are on par for me. I'm not Eurotrash so I don't watch or care about F1. What I've been told is that Indy Cars are generally faster but designed to run in straight line racing and F1 for road circuits since their tracks tend not to have oval/straight line racing. So I'll reiterate, AJ Foyt was 60 in the mid 90's participating in their key race. And I'm seeing plenty of F1 race winners in their 40's going back over the past few decades. I'm not even going to entertain the horse jockey thing because I fear that you've suffered some head injury that has no chance to heal.

I meant what I said. I doubt Mike Trout is one of the best athletes in the world .


Why do you have your panties in a bunch over mike trout?

Im really not interested in your opinion on F1 when you know nothing about it.

 

[LaneMyer]

Ill answer that question when Trout completes an olympic standard ironman triathalon and finishes a mere 35 minutes off the olympic record pace, in a sport that isnt even his main profession. You know, Like F1 driver Jensen Button did.

As per the bolded, thats obvious given your ignorance of the sport.



And baseball doesnt have guys in their 40's? And again, how many of those guys are finishing in the winners podium

And again, its relative. I betchu the 40 yr old F1 driver is miles fitter than a 40 yr old baseball player.

uh yeah, I said I don't follow F1. I am familiar with Indy Car however. And save for the tracks, it's similar. Regardless, that's great trivia about this Button guy, but I was under the impression we were talking about sports, not exercising. Trout would probably be really good at exercising too...given his speed and strength and all. Hockey is an Olympic sport. Tom Glavine was drafted in both baseball and hockey. Basketball is an Olympic sport. Dave Winfield was drafted in baseball, basketball and football. Show me the F1 driver that was capable of playing 3 sports, and again, sports, not exercise competitions, at the professional level and you'll have something.

 

[SLD76]

uh yeah, I said I don't follow F1. I am familiar with Indy Car however. And save for the tracks, it's similar. Regardless, that's great trivia about this Button guy, but I was under the impression we were talking about sports, not exercising. Trout would probably be really good at exercising too...given his speed and strength and all. Hockey is an Olympic sport. Tom Glavine was drafted in both baseball and hockey. Basketball is an Olympic sport. Dave Winfield was drafted in baseball, basketball and football. Show me the F1 driver that was capable of playing 3 sports, and again, sports, not exercise competitions, at the professional level and you'll have something.

Seems legit.

Per the second bolded, and now I know its more than uesless to discuss this with you lol.

Oh geez, look at you picking 2 HOF level MLBers to prove that all baseball playrs are as talented across sports as Glavine and Winfield lmao.

Meanwhile, the average F1 driver has to have tremendous fitness to even be able to finish a race without crashing.

Dude, just go already Its clear you are a MLB fan with an axe to grind.

Again, Ill say it slow. Baseball takes tremendous skill and hand eye coordination to play but not neccesarily great athleticism in the sense of fitness and endurance. Yes, alot of guys that are great at one sport can be good at other sports too, they are good athletes in the sense of having excellent hand eye coordination that translates into other sports.

Yes, baseball has many good and a few great athletes, but baseball *itself as a sport* does not demand out of this world fitness to excel. Plenty of guys who could barely get around the bases without running out of breath made good money because they hit the ball well or throw a good split finger fastball.

Compare that to F1 where out of this world fitness is a *requirement* to being able to finish a race without wrecking your car or passing out behind the wheel.

 

[LaneMyer]

Seems legit.

Per the second bolded, and now I know its more than uesless to discuss this with you lol.

Oh geez, look at you picking 2 HOF level MLBers to prove that all baseball playrs are as talented across sports as Glavine and Winfield lmao.

Meanwhile, the average F1 driver has to have tremendous fitness to even be able to finish a race without crashing.

Dude, just go already Its clear you are a MLB fan with an axe to grind.

Again, Ill say it slow. Baseball takes tremendous skill and hand eye coordination to play but not neccesarily great athleticism in the sense of fitness and endurance. Yes, alot of guys that are great at one sport can be good at other sports too, they are good athletes in the sense of having excellent hand eye coordination that translates into other sports.

Yes, baseball has many good and a few great athletes, but baseball *itself as a sport* does not demand out of this world fitness to excel. Plenty of guys who could barely get around the bases without running out of breath made good money because they hit the ball well or throw a good split finger fastball.

Compare that to F1 where out of this world fitness is a *requirement* to being able to finish a race without wrecking your car or passing out behind the wheel.

There are a myriad of components that make up a great athlete. Strength, speed, agility, quickness (not the same as speed), balance, control, flexibility, stability, rhythm, hand eye coordination, endurance, acuity replicating sport-specific movements etc etc without even getting into the mental or God/parent given genetic advantages, drive, discipline etc. Why you've continuously have chosen to solely focus on endurance/stamina, I don't know. It's just one component. The guys who top my list are guys who possess all of those components I've named. Trout is one of them because there isn't one component that he wouldn't get a box checked off on any sort of sports science/pro scouting report etc. It's not just baseball players. I would certainly put Bo Jackson there. LeBron James and Michael Jordan who I'm sure both could have played tight end at the NFL level if they had gone that route with their size, hands, speed, and strength. There are some hockey players that I would put on that list as well. Mario Lemieux for sure. 6'4, 235 pounds and moved like a 5'9 150 pound soccer player while taped to razor blades. Jim Thorpe, Jesse Owens, Jackie Robinson of course etc etc. I'd have to think about tennis players a bit more. I don't think any player would get all the boxes checked off on my scorecard. I'd have to think about how over they would rate on other specific components to make up that difference. What you won't find on my list are dudes who sit down while performing, or those who ride an animal.

And again, Indy Car drivers have the same elements to deal with. Are you saying the Foyts, Unsers, and Andrettis and the others who were driving well beyond 40 were also physical specimens as well? If that's the case I think you need to detox. I highly doubt all F1 drivers are in shape. Some might be, like any other sport, but I'm willing to wager there are some guys checking in with well over 15% body fat. I'd take Alpine skiers over some auto racer 100/100 times. How you can conclude that any F1 driver is on par with a guy like Trout or Lemieux is beyond me. They don't use half of the components that other athletes use. No speed, strength, flexibility, balance which is key to almost every other sport. Racing, not so much or at all.

 

[furryballs]

There are a myriad of components that make up a great athlete. Strength, speed, agility, quickness (not the same as speed), balance, control, flexibility, stability, rhythm, hand eye coordination, endurance, acuity replicating sport-specific movements etc etc without even getting into the mental or God/parent given genetic advantages, drive, discipline etc. Why you've continuously have chosen to solely focus on endurance/stamina, I don't know. It's just one component. The guys who top my list are guys who possess all of those components I've named. Trout is one of them because there isn't one component that he wouldn't get a box checked off on any sort of sports science/pro scouting report etc. It's not just baseball players. I would certainly put Bo Jackson there. LeBron James and Michael Jordan who I'm sure both could have played tight end at the NFL level if they had gone that route with their size, hands, speed, and strength. There are some hockey players that I would put on that list as well. Mario Lemieux for sure. 6'4, 235 pounds and moved like a 5'9 150 pound soccer player while taped to razor blades. Jim Thorpe, Jesse Owens, Jackie Robinson of course etc etc. I'd have to think about tennis players a bit more. I don't think any player would get all the boxes checked off on my scorecard. I'd have to think about how over they would rate on other specific components to make up that difference. What you won't find on my list are dudes who sit down while performing, or those who ride an animal.

And again, Indy Car drivers have the same elements to deal with. Are you saying the Foyts, Unsers, and Andrettis and the others who were driving well beyond 40 were also physical specimens as well? If that's the case I think you need to detox. I highly doubt all F1 drivers are in shape. Some might be, like any other sport, but I'm willing to wager there are some guys checking in with well over 15% body fat. I'd take Alpine skiers over some auto racer 100/100 times. How you can conclude that any F1 driver is on par with a guy like Trout or Lemieux is beyond me. They don't use half of the components that other athletes use. No speed, strength, flexibility, balance which is key to almost every other sport. Racing, not so much or at all.

you missed the most important thing.......timing.

 

[SLD76]

There are a myriad of components that make up a great athlete. Strength, speed, agility, quickness (not the same as speed), balance, control, flexibility, stability, rhythm, hand eye coordination, endurance, acuity replicating sport-specific movements etc etc without even getting into the mental or God/parent given genetic advantages, drive, discipline etc. Why you've continuously have chosen to solely focus on endurance/stamina, I don't know. It's just one component. The guys who top my list are guys who possess all of those components I've named. Trout is one of them because there isn't one component that he wouldn't get a box checked off on any sort of sports science/pro scouting report etc. It's not just baseball players. I would certainly put Bo Jackson there. LeBron James and Michael Jordan who I'm sure both could have played tight end at the NFL level if they had gone that route with their size, hands, speed, and strength. There are some hockey players that I would put on that list as well. Mario Lemieux for sure. 6'4, 235 pounds and moved like a 5'9 150 pound soccer player while taped to razor blades. Jim Thorpe, Jesse Owens, Jackie Robinson of course etc etc. I'd have to think about tennis players a bit more. I don't think any player would get all the boxes checked off on my scorecard. I'd have to think about how over they would rate on other specific components to make up that difference. What you won't find on my list are dudes who sit down while performing, or those who ride an animal.

And again, Indy Car drivers have the same elements to deal with. Are you saying the Foyts, Unsers, and Andrettis and the others who were driving well beyond 40 were also physical specimens as well? If that's the case I think you need to detox. I highly doubt all F1 drivers are in shape. Some might be, like any other sport, but I'm willing to wager there are some guys checking in with well over 15% body fat. I'd take Alpine skiers over some auto racer 100/100 times. How you can conclude that any F1 driver is on par with a guy like Trout or Lemieux is beyond me. They don't use half of the components that other athletes use. No speed, strength, flexibility, balance which is key to almost every other sport. Racing, not so much or at all.

all that rambling and not even addressing my main point.

Baseball is not the most physically demanding sport. Thats how this all got started.That is the thrust of my argument.

Are there great athletes in baseball? yes. Does baseball as a sport require tremendous hand eye coordination and mastery of a certain skill set to be successful? No doubt.

But are you really gonna sit there and say baseball is the most physically demanding sport on the planet? ?????

THAT is my main point, not that F1 drivers are the BEST athletes( although I still maintain the fitness required for the sport is insane, and the skill required to drive at high speed is not appreciated). I only ever argued that F1 drivers are not appreciated for the athletes they are. And yes, Im saying and will always say, their sport is more physically demanding than baseball.

Do you finally understand what Ive been saying for...what seems like 100 pages now?



Now regarding...whatever point about racing you are trying to make.

AJ Foyt raced in F1 in his prime i.e. his 20's -30's.Won exactly zero races, and accumulated zero points. And to earn an F1 point, you have to finish in what...the top 6 or so in the race?

Mario Andretti is the only man to go from Indy to F1 and win a championship in both series, way to cherry pick for your argument lol. Why not look up all the other drivers who went from Indy to F1 and see how they fared

If you think there are any F1 drivers with a 15% body fat ration then your ignorance of the sport is truly complete. You do realize that F1 drivers have to meet weight requirements yes?



LMAO, F1 drivers dont use strength or flexibility?? ROFL! Again, you do not know what you are talking about. I posted a good article explaining the physical demands of F1 but I suppose you choose to remain in your ignorance. And lets see Mario Lemiuex skate at top speed in crippling heat for 90 mins thereabouts, lol.


Please man, educate yourself. Here I'll start you off:
http://f1sportnews.blogspot.com/2008/07/all-about-formula-one-racing-drivers.html

"During the early days of Formula One racing it was not unusual for drivers to be over forty years old. As the demands of the sport have changed so have the drivers. Today's Formula One racing drivers are younger. They also are more physically fit than drivers in the past. Training begins at a young age and the career of a Formula One racing driver is usually over by his mid-30s."


http://www.technogym.com/blog/en/2013/12/come-si-puo-diventare-pilota-di-f1/

So from this article, we can see that Jensen Button competes in ironman triathletes...as a way to relax from F1, LOL.

 

[LaneMyer]

you missed the most important thing.......timing.

timing would be covered within hand eye and acuity among portions of other components.

 

[LaneMyer]

all that rambling and not even addressing my main point.

Baseball is not the most physically demanding sport. Thats how this all got started.That is the thrust of my argument.

Are there great athletes in baseball? yes. Does baseball as a sport require tremendous hand eye coordination and mastery of a certain skill set to be successful? No doubt.

But are you really gonna sit there and say baseball is the most physically demanding sport on the planet? ?????

THAT is my main point, not that F1 drivers are the BEST athletes( although I still maintain the fitness required for the sport is insane, and the skill required to drive at high speed is not appreciated). I only ever argued that F1 drivers are not appreciated for the athletes they are. And yes, Im saying and will always say, their sport is more physically demanding than baseball.

Do you finally understand what Ive been saying for...what seems like 100 pages now?



Now regarding...whatever point about racing you are trying to make.

AJ Foyt raced in F1 in his prime i.e. his 20's -30's.Won exactly zero races, and accumulated zero points. And to earn an F1 point, you have to finish in what...the top 6 or so in the race?

Mario Andretti is the only man to go from Indy to F1 and win a championship in both series, way to cherry pick for your argument lol. Why not look up all the other drivers who went from Indy to F1 and see how they fared

If you think there are any F1 drivers with a 15% body fat ration then your ignorance of the sport is truly complete. You do realize that F1 drivers have to meet weight requirements yes?



LMAO, F1 drivers dont use strength or flexibility?? ROFL! Again, you do not know what you are talking about. I posted a good article explaining the physical demands of F1 but I suppose you choose to remain in your ignorance. And lets see Mario Lemiuex skate at top speed in crippling heat for 90 mins thereabouts, lol.


Please man, educate yourself. Here I'll start you off:
http://f1sportnews.blogspot.com/2008/07/all-about-formula-one-racing-drivers.html

"During the early days of Formula One racing it was not unusual for drivers to be over forty years old. As the demands of the sport have changed so have the drivers. Today's Formula One racing drivers are younger. They also are more physically fit than drivers in the past. Training begins at a young age and the career of a Formula One racing driver is usually over by his mid-30s."


http://www.technogym.com/blog/en/2013/12/come-si-puo-diventare-pilota-di-f1/

So from this article, we can see that Jensen Button competes in ironman triathletes...as a way to relax from F1, LOL.

No one can understand what you're saying because half of the time you aren't speaking English. Add in the run-on sentences, chronic misspellings, unquantifiable fodder, and the fact that you can't make it through one sentence without an LOL or repetitive punctuation makes you look like an uneducated 16 year old. I never said baseball was the most physically demanding sport. I said it was the most difficult sport to succeed at. And Mike Trout is among the top athletes. I'm also sorry your local Jersey public school system failed you in the reading comprehension department. But congrats on reinforcing every Jersey stereotype that exists to the rest of the country. Physically demanding F1. OMG it's hot in the car! Like every freaking catcher decked out in catchers gear that plays in 100+ degree summer heat while crouching on his knees for 9 innings is what, resting comfortably? Right now there is some guy in AZ who has a car with no AC who is blissfully unaware that he's a candidate for a top athlete. Any yob can statistically prove that Mike Trout or Jordan or Lemieux are among the top athletes. The stats will show power, speed, endurance, hand eye etc etc. You can't statistically prove jack with F1 drivers or friggin' horse jockeys. Anyway this is all fruitless. I'll go ahead and leave you with this. Pass it on to your friend Button there. It pretty much covers everything..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De7rbB2bteE

 

[Flint]

I heard on the Curling that they go to the gym 6 days a week because the sweeping is difficult.

Perhaps we should consider Curling...

 

[insideguy]

No one can understand what you're saying because half of the time you aren't speaking English. Add in the run-on sentences, chronic misspellings, unquantifiable fodder, and the fact that you can't make it through one sentence without an LOL or repetitive punctuation makes you look like an uneducated 16 year old. I never said baseball was the most physically demanding sport. I said it was the most difficult sport to succeed at. And Mike Trout is among the top athletes. I'm also sorry your local Jersey public school system failed you in the reading comprehension department. But congrats on reinforcing every Jersey stereotype that exists to the rest of the country. Physically demanding F1. OMG it's hot in the car! Like every freaking catcher decked out in catchers gear that plays in 100+ degree summer heat while crouching on his knees for 9 innings is what, resting comfortably? Right now there is some guy in AZ who has a car with no AC who is blissfully unaware that he's a candidate for a top athlete. Any yob can statistically prove that Mike Trout or Jordan or Lemieux are among the top athletes. The stats will show power, speed, endurance, hand eye etc etc. You can't statistically prove jack with F1 drivers or friggin' horse jockeys. Anyway this is all fruitless. I'll go ahead and leave you with this. Pass it on to your friend Button there. It pretty much covers everything..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De7rbB2bteE

The dude is hilarious. Hey we can play this game all day long. Lets see who is a better athlete horse jockeys lol lol lol. Or these guys.https://www.google.com/search?q=bia...=isch&imgil=NVvxoUNet4YxIM%3A%3Bhttps%3A%2F%2

 

[insideguy]

What about this guy.https://www.google.com/search?q=hot...=10_6_8&tbm=isch&imgil=87L8v4NK5P9puM%3A%3Bht

No baseball player could do this. Maybe a jockey could

 

[SLD76]

No one can understand what you're saying because half of the time you aren't speaking English. Add in the run-on sentences, chronic misspellings, unquantifiable fodder, and the fact that you can't make it through one sentence without an LOL or repetitive punctuation makes you look like an uneducated 16 year old. I never said baseball was the most physically demanding sport. I said it was the most difficult sport to succeed at. And Mike Trout is among the top athletes. I'm also sorry your local Jersey public school system failed you in the reading comprehension department. But congrats on reinforcing every Jersey stereotype that exists to the rest of the country. Physically demanding F1. OMG it's hot in the car! Like every freaking catcher decked out in catchers gear that plays in 100+ degree summer heat while crouching on his knees for 9 innings is what, resting comfortably? Right now there is some guy in AZ who has a car with no AC who is blissfully unaware that he's a candidate for a top athlete. Any yob can statistically prove that Mike Trout or Jordan or Lemieux are among the top athletes. The stats will show power, speed, endurance, hand eye etc etc. You can't statistically prove jack with F1 drivers or friggin' horse jockeys. Anyway this is all fruitless. I'll go ahead and leave you with this. Pass it on to your friend Button there. It pretty much covers everything..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De7rbB2bteE

that claim is even more dubious.

I dont think baseball is the hardest sport in which to be successful.

I will always take individual sports over team sports.

 

[Kirijax]

Baseball has its moments where incredible skill is needed but most of the game is just standing around. You rarely see an exhausted player after a game. Sure it's hard to hit a baseball, but that alone doesn't make it the sport with the best athletes. Is Sabathia a great athlete?

 

[BHud]

Basketball...strength, agility, touch, conditioning, hand-eye coordination, movement in every direction (up/down/backwards/forwards/sideways), movement at different speeds (slow/fast/start-stop)...all why being guarded by an opponent trying to wreck you.

 

[Kirijax]

Tennis players have no coaching on court, except a select few, so I wonder how that plays into the debate. The other sports are getting coached constantly. Basketball players can't play through five minutes without getting coached up for the next plays. That factor would set the tennis athlete apart I think.

Best Athlete