Tension for KlipGut-16/Ghostwire-17 combo?

[gold325]

Current Racket - 2018 Pure Drive Wimbledon
Current String - Triax 16 @ 56 lbs
Honestly slightly more power than I want but I don't want to hurt my arm by going too high otherwise I would go 58/59 lbs.

Future Possible String
Klip Gut 16 mains / Ghostwire 17 crosses
Reason for switch? I've heard this combo has great spin, arm comfort and could last 50% more than Triax at the same average price per racket.

What is the suggested tension to keep same depth and spin range as Triax? I can also do Klip Gut 15 mains / Ghostwire 16 crosses if it's required.... Would either combo be in the same arm safety range as the Triax / RPX especially if I am able to add control (reduce power) with the gut/poly setup compared to full multi.

@Dartagnan64

 

[2nd Serve Ace]

56/54 should be nice. Be aware that Klip has a short break-in period, like 10-20 minutes.

 

[stapletonj]

I would definitely go higher in tension on the gut mains. Especially in a powerful frame like a pure drive. at least 10%.
The gut will be a LOT easier on your arm/elbow. Lower tension gut will result in trampolining, imho.
With less than 60 lbs. tension in your gut mains in a pure drive, I predict the ball will fly so much it will be uncontrollable.

How do I know this? because I tried the same setup in my yonex vcore 100.
of course, ymmv.
I am currently stringing Klip 16 and Yonex PTP 17(crosses) at 65/57. absolutely no arm pain, excellent control and power.
I am a 65 yr. old dude....

 

[Dartagnan64]

In a Pure Drive? Gut at 58 and Ghostwire at 55. And I agree that you could go higher with the gut as control dictates.

 

[beltsman]

Current Racket - 2018 Pure Drive Wimbledon
Current String - Triax 16 @ 56 lbs
Honestly slightly more power than I want but I don't want to hurt my arm by going too high otherwise I would go 58/59 lbs.

Future Possible String
Klip Gut 16 mains / Ghostwire 17 crosses
Reason for switch? I've heard this combo has great spin, arm comfort and could last 50% more than Triax at the same average price per racket.

What is the suggested tension to keep same depth and spin range as Triax? I can also do Klip Gut 15 mains / Ghostwire 16 crosses if it's required.... Would either combo be in the same arm safety range as the Triax / RPX especially if I am able to add control (reduce power) with the gut/poly setup compared to full multi.

@Dartagnan64

I do klip 16/GW. 19 at around 60/52 abd it's great. I don't prestretch though.

 

[gold325]

In a Pure Drive? Gut at 58 and Ghostwire at 55. And I agree that you could go higher with the gut as control dictates.

Would this be the in the appropriate power range as Triax 16 @ 56 full bed? Would you agree that for a non string breaker this setup should provide more spin, more comfort and more life than Triax-16 for around $20/racket string cost?

 

[Dartagnan64]

Would this be the in the appropriate power range as Triax 16 @ 56 full bed? Would you agree that for a non string breaker this setup should provide more spin, more comfort and more life than Triax-16 for around $20/racket string cost?

I've not been able to try Triax although I assume it has similar power levels to Velocity, RIP Control, Prince Premier Control. When I was using a Pure Drive and dabbling in multis after poly wrecked my elbow (didn't work btw) I'd run Velocity at 56 lbs.

 

[gold325]

I've not been able to try Triax although I assume it has similar power levels to Velocity, RIP Control, Prince Premier Control. When I was using a Pure Drive and dabbling in multis after poly wrecked my elbow (didn't work btw) I'd run Velocity at 56 lbs.

Why part of it didn't work - pure drive or poly or elbow wrecking or velocity? Just curious

 

[Dartagnan64]

Why part of it didn't work - pure drive or poly or elbow wrecking or velocity? Just curious

Switching to multis in a Pure Drive didn't help my elbow. Selling the Pure Drive fixed the elbow. Velocity in a Pure Drive was merely OK. Those rackets are really meant for poly IMO. I find low powered multis work best in medium powered frames.

 

[gold325]

I went with 57 (Klip-16) / 54 (Ghostwire-17)

Racket was very powerful and very muted. I could get used to the power probably but the very quiet feeling impacts would be harder to get used to.

Next time I am considering going 60/57 OR I can go Klip-15/Ghostwire-16 @ 57/54

 

[Dartagnan64]

I went with 57 (Klip-16) / 54 (Ghostwire-17)

Racket was very powerful and very muted. I could get used to the power probably but the very quiet feeling impacts would be harder to get used to.

Next time I am considering going 60/57 OR I can go Klip-15/Ghostwire-16 @ 57/54

I’m not surprised. I ran Tonic 15L /4G 16 in my Pure Drive at 58/54 lbs and that’s a considerably less lively combo than Klip 16/ GW 17.
It’s just a very powerful frame.

 

[gold325]

I added 12 String Savers in the Roger Pattern (I know he has only 10) and it seems to add some more feel and more sound to the string bed. Was able to control a little better.

But maybe it was all in my head too.

 

[The Big Kahuna]

I would definitely go higher in tension on the gut mains. Especially in a powerful frame like a pure drive. at least 10%.
The gut will be a LOT easier on your arm/elbow. Lower tension gut will result in trampolining, imho.
With less than 60 lbs. tension in your gut mains in a pure drive, I predict the ball will fly so much it will be uncontrollable.

How do I know this? because I tried the same setup in my yonex vcore 100.
of course, ymmv.
I am currently stringing Klip 16 and Yonex PTP 17(crosses) at 65/57. absolutely no arm pain, excellent control and power.
I am a 65 yr. old dude....

Low tensions in a gut / poly hybrid are used by a number of pros on the ATP tour. I have used it for years, and the ball does not "trampoline" off the string bed. Gut and poly perform differently that multis and nylon.

Almost all of the top doubles players use a gut /poly or poly/gut hybrid strung in the forties or low fifties. See bellow:

Roger Federer | Wilson Pro Staff RF97 Autograph
Wilson Natural Gut/Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power Rough 48.5/45lbs

James Duckworth | Babolat Pure Drive Plus - Blue/Black
Babolat VS Touch Natural Gut/Luxilon Alu Power Rough 125 43/41lbs

Dominic Thiem | Babolat Pure Strike 18/20 3rd Gen
Babolat RPM Rough 125 Red/Babolat VS Touch Natural Gut 55lbs

Jack Sock | Babolat Aero Storm VS Tour
Mains - VS Touch 1.30mm @ 36lbs; Crosses - RPM Rough 1.25mm @ 34lbs / Full bed of LXN ALU Power Rough at 35lbs

Top 20 Doubles Players Set-ups:
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/current-top-20-doubles-racquets-and-specs.559308/

ATP Pro Racquet and String Specs:
http://www.youaretennis.com/atp-pro-specs.html

Overview of Strings and Tension:
https://tenniscompanion.org/tennis-string-tension/

 

[The Big Kahuna]

I went with 57 (Klip-16) / 54 (Ghostwire-17)

Racket was very powerful and very muted. I could get used to the power probably but the very quiet feeling impacts would be harder to get used to.

Next time I am considering going 60/57 OR I can go Klip-15/Ghostwire-16 @ 57/54

That would be my concern with Ghostwire in a gut/poly hybrid - it is so soft, the stringed would be mushy paired with gut.

 

[gold325]

That would be my concern with Ghostwire in a gut/poly hybrid - it is so soft, the stringed would be mushy paired with gut.

As an *update*

With a Pure Drive 09 and 12 I had no issues and love the Ghostwire Cross - the tighter patterns and i guess less dampening in those models worked really great

With a Pure Drive 2018 I had to replace the cross with a stiffer one to get back some feel and sound - I use Tourna Big Hitter silver and the setup worked well but not overall as good as older models with GW. I got rid of the 2018 but retained the older models.

Signing off for now!

 

[stapletonj]

Big Kahuna -

that's what the imho and ymmv are for.

Is it possible that the pros lower tension setups which do not sail long are due to their world class skills at controlling the ball, which most of us don't have?
And/or perhaps the frequent restrings, which most of us don't do?

Reasonable minds can differ, I am putting out my experience with the string setups. Yesterday, I put 60/55 Kilp 16 Cream 17 in a 73 year old's Head TiS1 and he loved it (and it appeared to improve his play)

You are not getting any trampolining at lower tensions , I do when I sting looser. We both play the game, we are both happy.

 

[Steve Huff]

Like stapletonj, I've had good luck with some of the guys I string for using a 5# difference. I string 3 or 4 people with Klip Legend 15L/poly of their choice. A 5.0 guy used to string at 60/55. Since he went to the Yonex VCore 98, he's dropped to 52/50. The others range from 55/50 to 58/53. That 5# difference seems to allow the gut to act like gut, yet have the poly to control the power when they're swinging out.

 

[Povl Carstensen]

Low tensions in a gut / poly hybrid are used by a number of pros on the ATP tour. I have used it for years, and the ball does not "trampoline" off the string bed. Gut and poly perform differently that multis and nylon.

Almost all of the top doubles players use a gut /poly or poly/gut hybrid strung in the forties or low fifties. See bellow:

Roger Federer | Wilson Pro Staff RF97 Autograph
Wilson Natural Gut/Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power Rough 48.5/45lbs

James Duckworth | Babolat Pure Drive Plus - Blue/Black
Babolat VS Touch Natural Gut/Luxilon Alu Power Rough 125 43/41lbs

Dominic Thiem | Babolat Pure Strike 18/20 3rd Gen
Babolat RPM Rough 125 Red/Babolat VS Touch Natural Gut 55lbs

Jack Sock | Babolat Aero Storm VS Tour
Mains - VS Touch 1.30mm @ 36lbs; Crosses - RPM Rough 1.25mm @ 34lbs / Full bed of LXN ALU Power Rough at 35lbs

Top 20 Doubles Players Set-ups:
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/current-top-20-doubles-racquets-and-specs.559308/

ATP Pro Racquet and String Specs:
http://www.youaretennis.com/atp-pro-specs.html

Overview of Strings and Tension:
https://tenniscompanion.org/tennis-string-tension/

Federer is (was) about 10 lbs more than that in the RF97. Your numbers seem to be from the PS90 days