GhostOfNKDM
Hall of Fame
Stats are useful and an objective measure of player comparison (to an extent)
But we also know its hard and really unfair to compare different generations with so many variables - surfaces, racket and string tech, prevalent trends of tournament prestige/importance Etc
Stats also tend to force us into binary choices among the top performers.
That’s why I think the ‘eye test’ - the ability of tennis fans to recognize extraordinary and sustained greatness having watched a lot of other tennis players in the same as well as different eras - is a better way to compare and appreciate past players.
It doesn’t force one into mutually exclusive scenarios and while completely subjective, the choices I reckon would come to parallel the same list as someone compiling purely from statistical data. Stats also get into subjective interpretation territory soon enough but with the pretense of certifiable clarity whereas with this approach we are clear frm the outset about the nature of the discussion.
So who are the best players you’ve watched?
To make it a bit more structured, how would you rate them across some parameters ( and this just a starter list, add your own): racket skills, athleticism, tactics, anticipation/court vision, endurance, mental strength, sportsmanship - that make these players and/or certain seasons of these players extraordinary to you?
examples of certain plays, achievements to illustrate your conclusions etc are always valuable.
The main condition is that you should have watched these players live (on tv/in stadium).
Merely citing stats from an era does not count and there are countless threads for that. Im aware this precludes older players whom most of us can only appreciate from achival footage but this keeps our discussions more ‘real’ rather than esoteric.
But we also know its hard and really unfair to compare different generations with so many variables - surfaces, racket and string tech, prevalent trends of tournament prestige/importance Etc
Stats also tend to force us into binary choices among the top performers.
That’s why I think the ‘eye test’ - the ability of tennis fans to recognize extraordinary and sustained greatness having watched a lot of other tennis players in the same as well as different eras - is a better way to compare and appreciate past players.
It doesn’t force one into mutually exclusive scenarios and while completely subjective, the choices I reckon would come to parallel the same list as someone compiling purely from statistical data. Stats also get into subjective interpretation territory soon enough but with the pretense of certifiable clarity whereas with this approach we are clear frm the outset about the nature of the discussion.
So who are the best players you’ve watched?
To make it a bit more structured, how would you rate them across some parameters ( and this just a starter list, add your own): racket skills, athleticism, tactics, anticipation/court vision, endurance, mental strength, sportsmanship - that make these players and/or certain seasons of these players extraordinary to you?
examples of certain plays, achievements to illustrate your conclusions etc are always valuable.
The main condition is that you should have watched these players live (on tv/in stadium).
Merely citing stats from an era does not count and there are countless threads for that. Im aware this precludes older players whom most of us can only appreciate from achival footage but this keeps our discussions more ‘real’ rather than esoteric.