The grass at Wimbledon is so slow.....

[Cesc Fabregas]

because thats why we've had over 100 holds in a row right? That's why we have had only 2 breaks of serve in a match with well over a 100 games? Yeah right, fanboys with agendas cannot claim EVER again that modern grass plays the same as clay because it DOESN'T. Now *******s can stop discrediting Nadal's victory at Wimbledon.

 

[JeMar]

Karlovic, whose serve is about as good as Isner, served almost 80 aces on a super slow clay court.

Oh, and by your logic, does this mean that Federer would dominate in 90s grass? You know, cuz, the grass is the same?

 

[Cesc Fabregas]

Karlovic, whose serve is about as good as Isner, served almost 80 aces on a super slow clay court.

Oh, and by your logic, does this mean that Federer would dominate in 90s grass? You know, cuz, the grass is the same?

I never said the grass was the same, learn to read, I said it plays nothing like a clay court.

 

[djokovicgonzalez2010]

because thats why we've had over 100 holds in a row right? That's why we have had only 2 breaks of serve in a match with well over a 100 games? Yeah right, fanboys with agendas cannot claim EVER again that modern grass plays the same as clay because it DOESN'T. Now *******s can stop discrediting Nadal's victory at Wimbledon.

Karlovic, whose serve is about as good as Isner, served almost 80 aces on a super slow clay court.

Oh, and by your logic, does this mean that Federer would dominate in 90s grass? You know, cuz, the grass is the same?

JeMar, you are now my hero

 

[JeMar]

I never said the grass was the same, learn to read, I said it plays nothing like a clay court.

Well, no **** it doesn't play like clay. Here's a cookie.

No one has ever seriously said that it plays like a clay court, but it does play way slower than it has/should.

The serving from today means nothing.

 

[Halba]

Well, no **** it doesn't play like clay. Here's a cookie.

No one has ever seriously said that it plays like a clay court, but it does play way slower than it has/should.

The serving from today means nothing.

agreed. hard to assess when two blokes have no return game to speak off.

 

[federerGOAT]

Karlovic, whose serve is about as good as Isner, served almost 80 aces on a super slow clay court.

Oh, and by your logic, does this mean that Federer would dominate in 90s grass? You know, cuz, the grass is the same?

Fed would definitely dominate in the 90s. He is a class above clowns like Sampras, Becker, Krajicek and Stich.

 

[BreakPoint]

because thats why we've had over 100 holds in a row right? That's why we have had only 2 breaks of serve in a match with well over a 100 games? Yeah right, fanboys with agendas cannot claim EVER again that modern grass plays the same as clay because it DOESN'T. Now *******s can stop discrediting Nadal's victory at Wimbledon.

If this was Isner vs. Karlovic on red clay, we'd have the same result. The surface doesn't matter when it comes to serving out of a tree. The angles are unreturnable no matter what surface it is. When you're serving at 140mph at acute angles and the ball bounces over your head, it doesn't matter if it's 3-4mph slower after the bounce.

 

[Omega_7000]

Karlovic, whose serve is about as good as Isner, served almost 80 aces on a super slow clay court.

Oh, and by your logic, does this mean that Federer would dominate in 90s grass? You know, cuz, the grass is the same?

LOL

+ 1

 

[P_Agony]

because thats why we've had over 100 holds in a row right? That's why we have had only 2 breaks of serve in a match with well over a 100 games? Yeah right, fanboys with agendas cannot claim EVER again that modern grass plays the same as clay because it DOESN'T. Now *******s can stop discrediting Nadal's victory at Wimbledon.

Stop trolling. Nobody discredits Nadal and BTW Nadal hasn't won the title just yet (6 more matches for him to pass).

 

[decades]

the grass is the same or faster....look at the results.

 

[Tennis_Maestro]

Cesc is such a little fan boy troll, trying to glorify Nadal's 2008 triumph, sado.

 

[BreakPoint]

the grass is the same or faster....look at the results.

Yeah, look at the results.

Nadal in 3 finals, winning one.

A low ranked South American claycourter almost taking out Federer in straight sets in the 1st round.

Yup, the courts sure have gotten faster. :???:

 

[decades]

Yeah, look at the results.

Nadal in 3 finals, winning one.

A low ranked South American claycourter almost taking out Federer in straight sets in the 1st round.

Yup, the courts sure have gotten faster. :???:

maybe you missed mahut isner. there never was a match like this on "fast" grass. Not even close. espn3 may have the replay. check it out....Fed's first round says more about Fed than the guy he was playing. He's getting old. Nadal is a great player on any surface. That's why he beat FED in 08. Not because the grass was "slower". He won QC in 08 on so called "fast" grass.

 

[BreakPoint]

maybe you missed mahut isner. espn3 may have the replay. check it out....

I watched the entire 10 hours of this match so far, from yesterday until today. The whole thing. If this match was played on clay, the results would have been the same.

Karlovic hit more aces in fewer games on slow red clay. The surface doesn't matter. How well you can serve does. And also how tall you are. Isner can bounce serves over your head no matter what surface you're on.

 

[decades]

I watched the entire 10 hours of this match so far, from yesterday until today. The whole thing. If this match was played on clay, the results would have been the same.

Karlovic hit more aces in fewer games on slow red clay. The surface doesn't matter. How well you can serve does. And also how tall you are. Isner can bounce serves over your head no matter what surface you're on.

That doesn't explain Mahut. The only explanation is the grass is exceedingly fast this year. As it is every year at the Big W....

 

[BreakPoint]

maybe you missed mahut isner. espn3 may have the replay. check it out....Fed's first round says more about Fed than the guy he was playing. He's getting old. Nadal is a great player on any surface. That's why he beat FED in 08. Not because the grass was "slower".

Nadal never would have even got to a Wimbledon final on the old fast grass. An indisputable fact of life.

Falla was cranking groundies with his western grip because the ball was slower and bouncing up into his strike zone instead of skidding over his shoe tops like on the old grass.

 

[BreakPoint]

That doesn't explain Mahut. The only explanation is the grass is exceedingly fast this year. As it is every year at the Big W....

Mahut also happens to have an excellent serve. And his serve and volley tactics take advantage of Isner's difficult movement on grass since he's so big. Mahut is also 6' 3".

 

[decades]

Nadal never would have even got to a Wimbledon final on the old fast grass. An indisputable fact of life.

Falla was cranking groundies with his western grip because the ball was slower and bouncing up into his strike zone instead of skidding over his shoe tops like on the old grass.

It's not a fact. it's your "wishful thinking" again. Nadal won QC on fast grass. Nadal just plays a different, more cerebral game than the one dimensional serve and volleyers of yesterday.

 

[BreakPoint]

It's not a fact. it's your "wishful thinking" again. Nadal won QC on fast grass. Nadal just plays a different, more cerebral game than the one dimensional serve and volleyers of yesterday.

Queens is not Wimbledon. If it were, Lopez would be a Wimbledon champion by now. And I don't think the current grass at Queens is as fast as the old grass at Wimbledon. That's why you see so many baseline rallies at Queens nowadays. They made the grass closer to the current Wimbledon grass because it's supposed to be a warm-up event for Wimbledon, just like all the hardcourt tournaments leading up to the US Open use the same speed courts as the US Open.

BTW, I never thought I'd live to see the day the words "Nadal" and "cerebral" used in the same sentence. :shock:

 

[dmt]

It's not a fact. it's your "wishful thinking" again. Nadal won QC on fast grass. Nadal just plays a different, more cerebral game than the one dimensional serve and volleyers of yesterday.

no point in arguing with a troll.

 

[decades]

no point in arguing with a troll.

yeah I figured that out...I've never seen "it" stop...:shock:

 

[Ultra2HolyGrail]

The op is correct. Ever since nadal did well wimbledon became ''green clay'' which is a joke. Just the fact roddick does well at wimbledon should settle it. The australian open is also ''hard clay'' to the *******s.

 

[Ultra2HolyGrail]

If this was Isner vs. Karlovic on red clay, we'd have the same result. The surface doesn't matter when it comes to serving out of a tree. The angles are unreturnable no matter what surface it is. When you're serving at 140mph at acute angles and the ball bounces over your head, it doesn't matter if it's 3-4mph slower after the bounce.

^^big time *******. LOL

 

[BreakPoint]

The op is correct. Ever since nadal did well wimbledon became ''green clay'' which is a joke. Just the fact roddick does well at wimbledon should settle it. The australian open is also ''hard clay'' to the *******s.

Um....Roddick does well at the Aus Open also, which is pretty darn slow.

 

[dmt]

yeah I figured that out...I've never seen "it" stop...:shock:

his opinions are absurd. He claims that Roger "tanked" this years madrid final with nadal to give rafa "false confidence" going into french open. He also said (after soderlings win over Federer) that rafa looked nervous vs almagro because he was "scared" at the idea of facing soderling in the final. Nadal showed just how much he feared Soderling in the final. Now he's claiming that Nadal is lucky that the so called "godly" soderling didnt show up and that nadal hasnt "proved" himself against this so called godly player. :lol: He compares clay to grass and actually tries to claim that the bounce on grass is similar to the one on clay. I have tried arguing with him too but its just useless.

 

[BreakPoint]

^^big time *******. LOL

What does a comment about Karlovic, Isner, and Mahut and their serving prowess have anything at all to do with Federer? :???:

 

[Ultra2HolyGrail]

What does a comment about Karlovic, Isner, and Mahut and their serving prowess have anything at all to do with Federer? :???:

Isn't it obvious you think wimbledon is like clay because nadal won there and beat federer?

Also, did Karlovic do well at the french open? Name one french open where it was nothing but a serving battle like we see so many of them at wimbledon.

 

[shadows]

That doesn't explain Mahut. The only explanation is the grass is exceedingly fast this year. As it is every year at the Big W....

Mahut's service numbers are inflated because Isner's fitness is poor (not in general terms, but compared to other pros). He was pretty much too tired to stretch for a number of Mahut's serves in the fifth granting Nico aces, as the match has gone further Mahut has started to reel him back in on the ace count as a result.

 

[decades]

his opinions are absurd. He claims that Roger "tanked" this years madrid final with nadal to give rafa "false confidence" going into french open. He also said (after soderlings win over Federer) that rafa looked nervous vs almagro because he was "scared" at the idea of facing soderling in the final. Nadal showed just how much he feared Soderling in the final. Now he's claiming that Nadal is lucky that the so called "godly" soderling didnt show up and that nadal hasnt "proved" himself against this so called godly player. :lol: He compares clay to grass and actually tries to claim that the bounce on grass is similar to the one on clay. I have tried arguing with him too but its just useless.

yep....it's quite amazing there are people out there like that...it's pointless.

 

[Speranza]

Watson: Holmes?

Holmes: Yes, my dearest Doctor?

Watson: Have you been in my medicine cabinet again?

Holmes: Good heavens no. Why? What ever is the matter?

Watson: There's a bottle of stupidity missing.

Holmes: Ask the OP..... Think he may have taken it a few days ago judging by the standard of his threads started since then.

 

[veritech]

Isn't it obvious you think wimbledon is like clay because nadal won there and beat federer?

Also, did Karlovic do well at the french open? Name one french open where it was nothing but a serving battle like we see so many of them at wimbledon.

he said the grass is slower than before, not that its like clay.

and karlovic is a bad example to use, since he has done horrific at both the french AND wimbledon, apart from last year's QF result.

 

[Ultra2HolyGrail]

he said the grass is slower than before, not that its like clay.

and karlovic is a bad example to use, since he has done horrific at both the french AND wimbledon, apart from last year's QF result.

Break point keeps mentioning karlovic serving well on clay. I'm just wondering if it was at the french.

 

[veritech]

Mahut's service numbers are inflated because Isner's fitness is poor (not in general terms, but compared to other pros). He was pretty much too tired to stretch for a number of Mahut's serves in the fifth granting Nico aces, as the match has gone further Mahut has started to reel him back in on the ace count as a result.

I agree. Isner looked exhausted between points and had sluggish groundstrokes, except when he would serve.

This match is a product of excellent, effortless serving and poor, lazy returning, in particularly Isner.

 

[Ultra2HolyGrail]

I agree. Isner looked exhausted between points and had sluggish groundstrokes, except when he would serve.

This match is a product of excellent, effortless serving and poor, lazy returning, in particularly Isner.

And the point of the thread is no way isner and Mahut could have a match like this at the french. French clay is WAY slower. To compare it to grass is absurd.

 

[Justin Side]

no point in arguing with a troll.

Words to live by.

 

[NamRanger]

because thats why we've had over 100 holds in a row right? That's why we have had only 2 breaks of serve in a match with well over a 100 games? Yeah right, fanboys with agendas cannot claim EVER again that modern grass plays the same as clay because it DOESN'T. Now *******s can stop discrediting Nadal's victory at Wimbledon.

1. Unique combination of amazing serves versus terrible return games

2. Mahut's ace count is severely inflated due to the fact that Isner simply stopped going after half of them, already on top of his terrible return game.

3. Nadal and Federer both benefit from the new grass

4. There is a million articles, written statements from professional players, etc. that Wimbledon IS slower, and that there was an intention by AELTC to indeed slow down Wimbledon.



Just stop trying to shove your head up Nadal's rear and you would possibly see the light.

 

[BreakPoint]

Isn't it obvious you think wimbledon is like clay because nadal won there and beat federer?

Also, did Karlovic do well at the french open? Name one french open where it was nothing but a serving battle like we see so many of them at wimbledon.

Um...no. I said the court at Wimbledon is now slower because it is. Nothing at all to do with Federer. Every tennis expert and tennis commentator in the world says the same thing. Are they ALL also saying it because of Federer?

Has Karlovic done well at Wimbledon? In 4 of 7 years he's played Wimbledon, he lost in the 1st round.

Meanwhile, Karlovic hit 55 aces against Hewitt at the French Open last year, and Hewitt is one of the best returners in tennis, and that match only went 6-3 in the 5th set. Isner also hit 38 aces in a 4 set match at the French, which is about how many he hit at Wimbledon yesterday in the first 4 sets.

 

[BreakPoint]

Break point keeps mentioning karlovic serving well on clay. I'm just wondering if it was at the french.

Yes, it was. Karlovic also hit 78 aces on slow red clay in a Davis Cup match.

 

[The-Champ]

Nadal never would have even got to a Wimbledon final on the old fast grass. An indisputable fact of life.

You know for someone who claims to be a member of Mensa, you sound really stupid. Are you sure it is not DEMENTIA you are a member of?

you are not stating a fact, you are speculating.

 

[kraggy]

You know for someone who claims to be a member of Mensa, you sound really stupid. Are you sure it is not DEMENTIA you are a member of?

you are not stating a fact, you are speculating.

Not to mention for someone who is supposedly a 40 yr old adult and not a 14 yr old kid !

 

[BreakPoint]

You know for someone who claims to be a member of Mensa, you sound really stupid. Are you sure it is not DEMENTIA you are a member of?

you are not stating a fact, you are speculating.

How many Wimbledon finals did Bruguera, Muster, or Kuerten make? They were all also baseline bashers with extreme grips like Nadal.

Borg did well at Wimbledon on the old grass because he served and volleyed like Sampras did. Nadal almost never serves and volley. And nobody serves and volleys against him today because the grass is too slow. A good serve and volleyer (e.g., Sampras, Rafter, Ivanisevic, Edberg, Becker, Henman, etc.) would have made mince meat out of Nadal on the old fast grass.

 

[BreakPoint]

Not to mention for someone who is supposedly a 40 yr old adult and not a 14 yr old kid !

That's exactly why I know so much compared to the 14 year olds around here.

Yes, you do get smarter as you get older. That's why most CEOs of major corporations are over 40 and not 14 years old. :shock:

 

[Bud]

because thats why we've had over 100 holds in a row right? That's why we have had only 2 breaks of serve in a match with well over a 100 games? Yeah right, fanboys with agendas cannot claim EVER again that modern grass plays the same as clay because it DOESN'T. Now *******s can stop discrediting Nadal's victory at Wimbledon.

All of the players are stating the grass is medium fast with a low bounce. They know the conditions whereas certain people here at TT are speculating about so-called Green Clay - based on Rafa's excellent performance at Wimbledon since 2006. They still refuse to give him credit for being an excellent grass-court player.

The entire Green Clay argument is such a complete and utter logic failure, it boggles the mind that some posters are sticking by that ridiculous concept.

 

[BreakPoint]

All of the players are stating the grass is medium fast with a low bounce. They know the conditions whereas certain people here at TT are speculating about so-called Green Clay - based on Rafa's excellent performance at Wimbledon since 2006. They still refuse to give him credit for being an excellent grass-court player.

The entire Green Clay argument is such a complete and utter logic failure, it boggles the mind that some posters are sticking by that ridiculous concept.

In 2002, Henman stated that the new Wimbledon grass were "the slowest courts that he's played on all year." And this was AFTER he played the clay court season including the French Open. :shock:

Look it up, that's an exact quote from Henman.

 

[Ultra2HolyGrail]

Um...no. I said the court at Wimbledon is now slower because it is. Nothing at all to do with Federer.

It has everything to do with nadal winning there.

Every tennis expert and tennis commentator in the world says the same thing. Are they ALL also saying it because of Federer?

Nope, because of nadal. When did they state the grass was getting slow? That's right, when nadal started winning there.

Has Karlovic done well at Wimbledon? In 4 of 7 years he's played Wimbledon, he lost in the 1st round.

Meanwhile, Karlovic hit 55 aces against Hewitt at the French Open last year, and Hewitt is one of the best returners in tennis, and that match only went 6-3 in the 5th set. Isner also hit 38 aces in a 4 set match at the French, which is about how many he hit at Wimbledon yesterday in the first 4 sets.

That's nice, but if you think nadal would never win on "old grass'' and isner and mahut could play a match like today at the french, then you lost one to many marbles imo.

 

[Bud]

In 2002, Henman stated that the new Wimbledon grass were "the slowest courts that he's played on all year." And this was AFTER he played the clay court season including the French Open. :shock:

Look it up, that's an exact quote from Henman.

Perhaps, he was just being a bit sarcastic... noticing the grass was slightly slower than in previous years. I also see nothing about a high-bounce in his quote.

Furthermore, the new grass was already in place in 2001, BTW

 

[Bud]

Cesc is such a little fan boy troll, trying to glorify Nadal's 2008 triumph, sado.

Lol!

Federer won all of his titles on this Green Clay as well

 

[veritech]

Lol!

Federer won all of his titles on this Green Clay as well

Yup, he also won many titles on the fastest in-door and hard courts in the world, so I don't understand why you bring this point up.

 

[JeMar]

They do need to speed up the courts; the ace number from this match will be used as exhibit #1 that the courts are fast as it is, but it isn't hard to imagine this happening on even a clay court.

Lots of aces, volleys, and exquisite shotmaking under tremendous pressure is the way that Wimbledon should be and they shouldn't capitulate to the needs of the "mainstream" fan. There's enough slow courts during the year. Leave Wimbledon to the hardcore and the traditionalists.