The Jolly Rig.

[nickarnold2000]

I'm not sure I can let this go? Why is it he knows what he is talking about? Experience?

What kind of experience? Is he winning (that's a no), did he play high level juniors (think that is a no), did he play college (think that's a no), what is his rated NTRP (that's a no), does he have a teaching pro rating (?), is he USRSA certified?

My mailman is nice as well and plays tennis. Am I going to take his advice?

Double bagel most of us? Dude! That's what gets me. I like Jolly, but you guys are giving too much credit to posters based on a loose videos (which didn't look impressive on technique) and posters who have a load of equipment. I can have a ferrari, but an indy racer could probably beat me with a Dodge Neo on a track.

I can be interested or appreciate his opinion. It's very nice of him to take the time to share his views, but I'm not going to call him a pro or a better player. I've seen his record and know he is trying over the last some 30 plus tournaments to win a match, but he is nowhere near a high enough player to make your #2 or #3 claim.

So I'll take your $20 bucks. Can we play Jolly?

Better yet Meomix, will you spot me $20 bucks for every game I beat Jolly? I'll pay you $20 bucks for every game Jolly beats me by?

Conclusion: I like Jolly, but don't over-hype him.

Thanks and God Bless

p.s. Then again I really respect this guys opinion on equipment and look at his dress apparel!

Actually, I think you did ask Jolly to play(see above) Wow, "$20 bucks for every game Jolly beats me by" - I'm really looking forward to this match!

 

[Topaz]

Dennis, first of all I am honored and feel downright tickled to be in your signature.

I've always enjoyed your posts. You seem an intelligent guy. Hopefully you've had a chance to read the links that Drak and Sup have provided. Eye opening, isn't it? Nobody needs any kind of 'interpretation'...it is all right there in black and white.

So, put whatever spin on it you will, at this point it says more about you than it does anyone else. Perhaps it is time you have a bit of a talk with your buddy Jolly. Hopefully, by now, he is beginning to understand where this is coming from.

Bottom line...don't talk the talk if you can't back it up. And when you can't back it up, don't be surprised when you get called out on it.

I'm a 3.5. I have the results to prove it. I'll be a Benchmark next season thanks to my post-season league play. I've never claimed (unlike some others) to be more than I am. So, again, fling your thinly veiled insults all you want...you're starting to have no legs left to stand on.

I'd like to chat further, but I have some paperweights that need dusting.

 

[Sup2Dresq]

These funny responses about Jolly is missing something.

Oh yeah?

 

[Rabbit]

In my opinion it takes a big pair to call yourself a 5.5 with out creds. And by creds I mean ATP points, national ranking in open or 35s, or D1 college.

It also takes a complete and total misunderstanding of the NTRP rating system.

General Characteristics of Various NTRP Playing Levels
4.5
You have developed your use of power and spin and can handle pace. You have sound footwork, can control depth of shots, and attempt to vary game plan according to your opponents. You can hit first serves with power and accuracy and place the second serve. You tend to overhit on difficult shots. Aggressive net play is common in doubles.
5.0
You have good shot anticipation and frequently have an outstanding shot or attribute around which a game may be structured. You can regularly hit winners or force errors off of short balls and can put away volleys. You can successfully execute lobs, drop shots, half volleys, overhead smashes, and have good depth and spin on most second serves.
5.5
You have mastered power and/or consistency as a major weapon. You can vary strategies and styles of play in a competitive situation and hit dependable shots in a stress situation.
6.0 to 7.0
You have had intensive training for national tournament competition at the junior and collegiate levels and have obtained a sectional and/or national ranking.

7.0
You are a world-class player.

In the interest of brevity, I have omitted a large portion of the guide, but will provide a link below.

Notice that 6.0 to 7.0 is where collegiate competition comes in. Competition in the 30's, 35's, 40's, 45's, or any other age-based is not based on NTRP level. Players compete solely based on age.

Likewise, and I think most important, the USTA used to include verbiage that indicated that a 7.0 NTRP level did not need the NTRP scale. That is to say that these players skill ranking, i.e. #1 in the world, was based solely on competition, the scale did not apply to this level. This then would indicate that the difference between a world class player, 7.0 and a 6.0 is greater than the difference between a 6.0 and a 5.5. Also note that there is no 6.5, 6.0 - 7.0 is generally those Open level players who are better than the NTRP level, but not good enough to make a living at tennis on the professional circuit.

The promised link:

http://www.usta.com/?sc_itemid={A9EAE203-D273-4CB1-9038-5A293C5ED642}

The characteristics of a 5.5 do not include any open competition or professional competition and certainly not ATP points. In reading this then, 5.5 is the best level a club player can achieve. When you think of it in those terms, specifically club player, then it really points up the difference between a club player and a world class professional.

I'm a fairly solid 4.5. I've played doubles with 5.0 guys and not been in the least embarassed. I've been on court with 5.5 guys and have been. For those of us that have and know how good 5.5 is, it is still club level tennis. 5.5 needs the NTRP ranking to handicap their competition. They wouldn't get a point off a world class professional. There are some of us who think they could because it makes us feel better about our level. But, in point of fact, they cannot. Are there many 5.5's? No and that's probably what makes them seem even better. But, looking at the description above, there is zero to indicate that a 5.5 would stand a snowball's chance in hell of competing with a professional player (and I was gender neutral on purpose).

 

[dgoran]

Wow this is still going on and we are now even inviting each other to a game or two, lol. The house of cards is crumbling.

Jolly even has a cheer leading squad is that like his entourage or something. Very entertaining.

On a serious note I just saw 2 threads above that i never read (mentioned by Draq and Sup) and I seriously did not imagine Jolly would say something like that after posting videos of himself playing. Further more I saw jolly mention teaching and I almost fell off my chair.
I suspected he was delusional as many of us are about our true ability but that was downright narcissistic.

PS. Jolly I live in Florida where NTRP level is down to realistic levels unlike NY area appears to be.
I did not suggest lighter equipment to insult your ego but in your videos it seams as if you are jerking the racket around in your strokes which is often an indication that the racket is too heavy for a tennis player thus making one of those sudden jerky moves to sum up the strength to whip it around. It is not as apparent to you since the partner in your videos is not hitting a deep ball (most of his shots are landing around the service line) which creates an illusion for you that you have time to set up your strokes.

Get a hitting partner/teaching pro that can consistently hit deep ball side to side for 5 min drill and you will see what I'm talking about.

Again just trying to help not insulting you in any way.

 

[Sup2Dresq]

Dgoran,

Nice post. Perhaps you can go to this thread and vote/post.

Thanks and God Bless

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=289240

 

[mark1]

link to video?

 

[Sup2Dresq]

link to video?

Here is the link to his video. He has it on his signature as well.

http://www.vimeo.com/user929322

Also, when you get a chance, can you vote/post on this thread.


http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=289240

 

[120mphBodyServe]

Jolly, just admit it...
You shot your poly/kevlar hybrid with a gun.

 

[JT_2eighty]

Well, as an outside observer, this is a bit entertaining, but I can easily see how someone can self-rate themselves far above their actual level. For instance, here in the Greater Cincinnati area, there are about 10-12 racquet clubs that compete against each other in inter-club leagues. Over time, these have a way of allowing the better players to move up, and the less talented to settle down to their appropriate level. 3.5 is the bottom, and 5.0 is the top. The only players that seem to typically play the 5.0+ courts are teaching pros, or former collegiate players now playing club tennis. 4.0 has the most players in it, so your average to above average club tennis player is found there, with 4.5 being the upper level of club tennis, about the top 10-15% of club players, while again the 5.0+ is your top 3% of club players.

Now, per the below slimmed-down descriptions, it can be misleading and a club tennis player can mis-rate themselves, but match play should sort this out if you have a decent tennis population in your area:

Originally Posted by USTA
General Characteristics of Various NTRP Playing Levels
4.5
You have developed your use of power and spin and can handle pace. You have sound footwork, can control depth of shots, and attempt to vary game plan according to your opponents. You can hit first serves with power and accuracy and place the second serve. You tend to overhit on difficult shots. Aggressive net play is common in doubles.
5.0
You have good shot anticipation and frequently have an outstanding shot or attribute around which a game may be structured. You can regularly hit winners or force errors off of short balls and can put away volleys. You can successfully execute lobs, drop shots, half volleys, overhead smashes, and have good depth and spin on most second serves.
5.5
You have mastered power and/or consistency as a major weapon. You can vary strategies and styles of play in a competitive situation and hit dependable shots in a stress situation.

Now, someone may be self-rating themselves, looking at 5.0 and say, "wow, I do have great shot anticipation, and can force errors on short balls, and wow, I too can execute lobs and drop shots etc, and wow, even my second serve also has depth and spin!" Well, I can say the same about my game but when I play in the 4.5 leagues here in my area, I have about a 40-50% win percentage. When I play in the 4.0 leagues, I win 90% of the time, and always get spanked by the top court 4.5+ players. Again, I think area and density of tennis playing population does influence how people rank themselves, but Cinci has a very big tennis population and the system is "ok" in sorting players accordingly, although there will always be sandbaggers or lowbies trying to play up, but over time, with the depth of players, you will find your appropriate level through playing rather than "self-rating" yourself based on these arbitrary descriptors. I've been playing tennis for 18 years and only in the past year or so am I able to have good matches against established, solid 4.5 players.

If you are at the top of your club and surrounding clubs, you too might think of yourself in the 5.0+ range, but I've seen the 5.0's around here play, and then I've seen jolly's vids, and you would be a solid 4.0 in Cinci. Nothing against you or anything, as you have helpful info for sure on these boards, but that thread about being an open player/5.5+ is full of tennis naivete.

http://dps.usta.com/usta_master/sitecore_usta/USTA/Document Assets/2008/02/14/doc_13_7372.pdf

 

[nickarnold2000]

Actually, I think you did ask Jolly to play(see above) Wow, "$20 bucks for every game Jolly beats me by" - I'm really looking forward to this match!

So Sup2Dresq, what say you?

 

[Rabbit]

Well, as an outside observer, this is a bit entertaining, but I can easily see how someone can self-rate themselves far above their actual level. For instance, here in the Greater Cincinnati area, there are about 10-12 racquet clubs that compete against each other in inter-club leagues. Over time, these have a way of allowing the better players to move up, and the less talented to settle down to their appropriate level. 3.5 is the bottom, and 5.0 is the top. The only players that seem to typically play the 5.0+ courts are teaching pros, or former collegiate players now playing club tennis. 4.0 has the most players in it, so your average to above average club tennis player is found there, with 4.5 being the upper level of club tennis, about the top 10-15% of club players, while again the 5.0+ is your top 3% of club players.

Now, per the below slimmed-down descriptions, it can be misleading and a club tennis player can mis-rate themselves, but match play should sort this out if you have a decent tennis population in your area:


Now, someone may be self-rating themselves, looking at 5.0 and say, "wow, I do have great shot anticipation, and can force errors on short balls, and wow, I too can execute lobs and drop shots etc, and wow, even my second serve also has depth and spin!" Well, I can say the same about my game but when I play in the 4.5 leagues here in my area, I have about a 40-50% win percentage. When I play in the 4.0 leagues, I win 90% of the time, and always get spanked by the top court 4.5+ players. Again, I think area and density of tennis playing population does influence how people rank themselves, but Cinci has a very big tennis population and the system is "ok" in sorting players accordingly, although there will always be sandbaggers or lowbies trying to play up, but over time, with the depth of players, you will find your appropriate level through playing rather than "self-rating" yourself based on these arbitrary descriptors. I've been playing tennis for 18 years and only in the past year or so am I able to have good matches against established, solid 4.5 players.

If you are at the top of your club and surrounding clubs, you too might think of yourself in the 5.0+ range, but I've seen the 5.0's around here play, and then I've seen jolly's vids, and you would be a solid 4.0 in Cinci. Nothing against you or anything, as you have helpful info for sure on these boards, but that thread about being an open player/5.5+ is full of tennis naivete.

http://dps.usta.com/usta_master/sitecore_usta/USTA/Document Assets/2008/02/14/doc_13_7372.pdf

Great post and filled in the gaps from mine.

It is very important to note that competition does settle where it is most comfortable. The only thing I would add is that the self-rating amendment to the system has things off-kilter right now. There are many 5.0s around here who were unable to play due to lack of competition who've self-rated 4.5 or even 4.0. They have disrupted the system and hopefully will float back out of it based on their results. However, many are gauging their effort by how well the team is doing and losing to keep their rating.

I would also add that anyone who thinks they are a 5.0 or better should offer a Computer Verified 5.0 or better free beer for a match. The results and relative dose of reality would be worth a 6-pack.

 

[Sup2Dresq]

So Sup2Dresq, what say you?

I'd say this... well more show this...

LOL.

Nothing says it better than the keyboard cat.

 

[nickarnold2000]

I'd say this... well more show this...

LOL.

Nothing says it better than the keyboard cat.

Smoke, mirrors and keyboards! Come on pal, you wrote that you'd play him so... don't pull "A Jolly" on us!

 

[Sup2Dresq]

Smoke, mirrors and keyboards! Come on pal, you wrote that you'd play him so... don't pull "A Jolly" on us!

I like your instigation style. It makes me laugh. However I'm a mere 3.5 remember. The post was to provoke Meowmix who said the "hype" could bagel most of us. Don't necessarily want to entertain you with a 5 hour plus drive to play, and most likely get mugged afterwards for my telling the truth.

However, I do have a consolation prize for you. A shirt with this image:

Thank you .. please come again /Apu

 

[Bud]

Jolly, just admit it...
You shot your poly/kevlar hybrid with a gun.

Even bullets can't penetrate kevlar :shock:

 

[alidisperanza]

Even bullets can't penetrate kevlar :shock:

Depends how thickly woven

 

[Don Luca]

However, I do have a consolation prize for you. A shirt with this image:

Thank you .. please come again /Apu

I want one too, please.

 

[JoelDali]

I want one too, please.

Just ordered mine....

http://www.threadless.com/product/1960/Three_Keyboard_Cat_Moon

 

[baek57]

Here is the link to his video. He has it on his signature as well.

http://www.vimeo.com/user929322

Also, when you get a chance, can you vote/post on this thread.


http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=289240

I like how his videos are conveniently edited to only show his hitting partner missing.

 

[BreakPoint]

BTW I am willing to bet that if jolly drops 14+ oz racket and get something more forgiving he will start winning some matches and his 3.5 will be 4.0.
from the personal experience (and many on this board) I can attest than your performance increases as soon as you find something that you can handle for 4+ hrs. Sure anyone can take k90 and kps88 and play great for 2 hrs at equal or lover level as soon as you play against somebody thats clearly above you quickly see the advantages of lighter 100sq in racket and disadvantages of 14+ 90sq in racket.

Hmmm...I've actually found the opposite to be true. When I hit with someone really good who hits a very heavy ball (lots of pace and spin), I find that I cannot keep up with him with a lighter racquet and have to grab the heaviest racquet in my bag just to defend against his shots and keep up with him. With the lighter racquet, the big hitter will literally knock the racquet out of my hand and even if I manage to hang on to the racquet, I can't control the ball with so much pace and spin coming at it. The heavier racquet will allow me to get his balls back with good pace and spin.

 

[Bud]

Hmmm...I've actually found the opposite to be true. When I hit with someone really good who hits a very heavy ball (lots of pace and spin), I find that I cannot keep up with him with a lighter racquet and have to grab the heaviest racquet in my bag just to defend against his shots and keep up with him. With the lighter racquet, the big hitter will literally knock the racquet out of my hand and even if I manage to hang on to the racquet, I can't control the ball with so much pace and spin coming at it. The heavier racquet will allow me to get his balls back with good pace and spin.

BP, what's your rating? Self rated or tournament?

I'm a pretty solid 4.0 (self-rated, based on playing other rated NTRP 4.0-4.5 as well as A-B level wins/losses) and I've hit with former college players and others who qualify as true open level (5.0+)... and I've never even come close to having the racquet knocked out of my hand by my opponent's pace or spin. I've definitely felt the pace of heavy hitters... and the difficulty sometimes of returning the fast-paced/spinny ball back over the net (with some control and pace)... but never did I feel I was in danger of losing the racquet. However, I prefer racquets that are at least 12 oz.

 

[couch]

Hmmm...I've actually found the opposite to be true. When I hit with someone really good who hits a very heavy ball (lots of pace and spin), I find that I cannot keep up with him with a lighter racquet and have to grab the heaviest racquet in my bag just to defend against his shots and keep up with him. With the lighter racquet, the big hitter will literally knock the racquet out of my hand and even if I manage to hang on to the racquet, I can't control the ball with so much pace and spin coming at it. The heavier racquet will allow me to get his balls back with good pace and spin.

He's talking about being able to beat 3.5 and 4.0 players. No offence to those levels of players but I bet they aren't hitting that heavy of a ball and if jolly switched to a slightly lighter racquet he may have more success and win more matches. He may break less strings but win more matches. ;-)

I use a racquet that's a little over 11 oz. strung, have a pretty fast swing, and have never had trouble keeping up with heavy hitters. Also, plenty of guys I know and play with at the 5.0 level play with 11 oz. racquets and they don't have any trouble either. Maybe a lot of it has to do with playing styles too. Maybe guys with slower swing speeds and flatter hitters need heavier racquets to battle heavier balls.

 

[DownTheLine]

my tennis coach says that im a failure

Made me laugh.

 

[BreakPoint]

I'm a pretty solid 4.0 (self-rated, based on playing other rated NTRP 4.0-4.5 as well as A-B level wins/losses) and I've hit with former college players and others who qualify as true open level (5.0+)... and I've never even come close to having the racquet knocked out of my hand by my opponent's pace or spin. I've definitely felt the pace of heavy hitters... and the difficulty sometimes of returning the fast-paced/spinny ball back over the net (with some control and pace)... but never did I feel I was in danger of losing the racquet. However, I prefer racquets that are at least 12 oz.

OK, I didn't literally mean that the racquet came out of my hand, just figuratively. When I feel like I'm getting pushed back by my opponent's heavy pace and spin and that I can't control the ball as well as I want to - to me, that feels like I'm getting the "racquet knocked out of my hand". It's just an expression.

 

[baek57]

With a heavier racquet it feels like the racquet absorbs more of the pace, with a lighter racquet it feels like my arm absorbs more. I'd rather have the racquet take more as TE is a concern.

 

[Bud]

OK, I didn't literally mean that the racquet came out of my hand, just figuratively. When I feel like I'm getting pushed back by my opponent's heavy pace and spin and that I can't control the ball as well as I want to - to me, that feels like I'm getting the "racquet knocked out of my hand". It's just an expression.

OIC... I took it literally

However, I know what you mean... the feeling when you have difficulty controlling the resultant heavy ball with pace and spin of your own.

 

[adams_1]

my coach says that in order to be a 4.5 NTRP you have to:
1: travel to turkmenistan and soil urself
2:after soiling yourself board a plane home with out changing your underwear or pants
3: consume 14 buckets of Movie popcorn
and 4: have a dinosaur fetish

Three out of four is close enough, right?

 

[Topaz]

my coach says that in order to be a 4.5 NTRP you have to:
1: travel to turkmenistan and soil urself
2:after soiling yourself board a plane home with out changing your underwear or pants
3: consume 14 buckets of Movie popcorn
and 4: have a dinosaur fetish

Dennis?!??

 

[Grampy]

OIC... I took it literally

However, I know what you mean... the feeling when you have difficulty controlling the resultant heavy ball with pace and spin of your own.

Just block em back. I have more trouble when someone gives me no pace.

 

[dgoran]

Hmmm...I've actually found the opposite to be true. When I hit with someone really good who hits a very heavy ball (lots of pace and spin), I find that I cannot keep up with him with a lighter racquet and have to grab the heaviest racquet in my bag just to defend against his shots and keep up with him. With the lighter racquet, the big hitter will literally knock the racquet out of my hand and even if I manage to hang on to the racquet, I can't control the ball with so much pace and spin coming at it. The heavier racquet will allow me to get his balls back with good pace and spin.

I was actually referring to Jolly specifically as I could see his video and I have no idea how are your strokes. you might be perfectly capable of swinging 14+ oz racket but if you look at his backhand you will see what I mean. http://www.vimeo.com/3323821 (backhand can be quickly seen at 5:18 of that video, and forehand at 6:40 of the same video. I am sure you will agree that those strokes are as mechanical as it gets and as jerky as it gets there is no fluidity to that motion what so ever. if that ball had any pace and distance it would jam him completely. Not to mention that his shoulders, chin, head, back everything is hunched over as he attempts to execute the shot. That is what I was talking about. Maybe Sup or other teaching pro's can chime in with more professional analysis but I hope you understand. If you ever watch a child that has too heavy of a racket for his development stage that is exactly what you will see because he or she cannot afford any spare time to relax this stroke.

Compare that to for example (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpNFxnShJ9o) and of course I am not equating jolly or any of us to pro strokes just an example of fluid 2 hand backhand and forehand from the same angle, and similar pace, that we all can learn from.

Other teaching pro's input?

IMHO if ones strokes are not fundamental one cannot go past 3.0. He or she might win here or there but IMHO fundamentals are the foundation (as the name implies) a building block if you will a prerequisite for higher level tennis.

 

[Grampy]

I was actually referring to Jolly specifically as I could see his video and I have no idea how are your strokes. you might be perfectly capable of swinging 14+ oz racket but if you look at his backhand you will see what I mean. http://www.vimeo.com/3323821 (backhand can be quickly seen at 5:18 of that video, and forehand at 6:40 of the same video. I am sure you will agree that those strokes are as mechanical as it gets and as jerky as it gets there is no fluidity to that motion what so ever. if that ball had any pace and distance it would jam him completely. Not to mention that his shoulders, chin, head, back everything is hunched over as he attempts to execute the shot. That is what I was talking about. Maybe Sup or other teaching pro's can chime in with more professional analysis but I hope you understand. If you ever watch a child that has too heavy of a racket for his development stage that is exactly what you will see because he or she cannot afford any spare time to relax this stroke.

Compare that to for example (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpNFxnShJ9o) and of course I am not equating jolly or any of us to pro strokes just an example of fluid 2 hand backhand and forehand from the same angle, and similar pace, that we all can learn from.

Other teaching pro's input?

IMHO if ones strokes are not fundamental one cannot go past 3.0. He or she might win here or there but IMHO fundamentals are the foundation (as the name implies) a building block if you will a prerequisite for higher level tennis.

Not sure I agree here. Especially with what you said about having fundamentals as a prerequisite to making it to the highers levels. I've played some people with horrible stroke mechanics that have wiped me off the court (4.5 level). I call them hackers, some call them pushers. Whatever, they have learned how to win with alternative stroke mechanics. They do what is unexpected and bring their opponents games down. They make you walk off the court wondering how you could have ever lost to them.

I can hardly stand to watch Bartoli's serve motion, but its quite effective. Anyone remember the former pro Jay Berger? His serve was anything but fundamental. Also, Santoro has some strokes that are definately not taught by tennis pros, but he's made some of the top pro's look bad. You can make it to higher levels with unusual stroke mechanics. Its not all about stroke technique, mental game and heart have a lot to do with winning. Does Jolly have that mental game and heart? Who knows. I've only seen vids of him beating up on unforced error machines.

 

[sapient007]

i'd agree with the above comment if jolly's video was one smooth unedited clip of his rally. However his clips are stitched together cutting out much of the material. This to me suggests that he shanked many of his shots long/short/net

anyhow, his FH really looks like mine with the difference that i'm a 2.5-3.0 and i fully acknowledge that

 

[drakulie]

i'd agree with the above comment if jolly's video was one smooth unedited clip of his rally. However his clips are stitched together cutting out much of the material. This to me suggests that he shanked many of his shots long/short/net

I've never had a problem with this. (editing out the crapola). ESPN does it, so why shouldn't jo11y or other posters. We all make mistakes, hit into the net, long, shank, etc. That's already a given and doesn't need to be seen on video to know everyone does this (including the pros), which is why they are called "highlights".

as for his strokes, one thing is for certain>> he hits the ton out of the ball. However, as shown by his match results, he is not yet reached a level where he could hit that hard consistently to beat 4.0 and higher players.

 

[dgoran]

Not sure I agree here. Especially with what you said about having fundamentals as a prerequisite to making it to the highers levels. I've played some people with horrible stroke mechanics that have wiped me off the court (4.5 level). I call them hackers, some call them pushers. Whatever, they have learned how to win with alternative stroke mechanics. They do what is unexpected and bring their opponents games down. They make you walk off the court wondering how you could have ever lost to them.

I can hardly stand to watch Bartoli's serve motion, but its quite effective. Anyone remember the former pro Jay Berger? His serve was anything but fundamental. Also, Santoro has some strokes that are definately not taught by tennis pros, but he's made some of the top pro's look bad. You can make it to higher levels with unusual stroke mechanics. Its not all about stroke technique, mental game and heart have a lot to do with winning. Does Jolly have that mental game and heart? Who knows. I've only seen vids of him beating up on unforced error machines.

I agree with you to a degree that is why I wrote "He or she might win here or there" but I still believe that without sound fundamentals one cannot get any further than that.
Every one of us can lose to a hot player or consistent player (steady eddy as I call them) and wonder WTF just happened but if 2.0-3.0 player is beating 4.5 player consistently with poor fundamentals than guess what that 4.5 player is not really a 4.5 player. Of course this is all IMHO. We can all have different ideas and opinions.

 

[JT_2eighty]

The Jensen Rig

Hmm...not trying to be a punk but, didn't someone else tell you to do kevlar mains with the poly cross? I think it's kinda funny you would call it "The Jolly Rig" when it wasn't your idea man. Anyway, no harm meant, just curious...

So, i was browsing the racquettech pro equipment listing, and saw the Jensen brothers in 2003 used a luxilon cross, kevlar main setup at 68 lb.

This should be called the Jensen rig. I just felt like sharing, sorry for reviving this thread and beating any dead horses in the process.

 

[5263]

This thing that you describe, we call it Dennis.

I hit with it sometimes, but it is usually low on battery power or broken.

Sometimes if you feed it a double gulp of Diet Coke you can get it to work.

J

That is too funny....

 

[J011yroger]

That is too funny....

If only you knew him in real life you would understand how funny it truly is.

In addition he is almost as disappointed as my mother in my failure to produce grand children, and unequivocally deems 85% of the girls that I take interest in as too high maintenance.

J

 

[JoelDali]

If only you knew him in real life you would understand how funny it truly is.

In addition he is almost as disappointed as my mother in my failure to produce grand children, and unequivocally deems 85% of the girls that I take interest in as too high maintenance.

J

I'm thinking of a particular one that has a white M5 in Great Neck and platnium blonde hair. She let me suck her toes in Morton's Little Neck one night many years ago...those damn LI girls, so hard to read and tie down. Money makes them so horny. And Pinot. And a warm [J]Factor.

 

[skyzoo]

I'm thinking of a particular one that has a white M5 in Great Neck and platnium blonde hair. She let me suck her toes in Morton's Little Neck one night many years ago...those damn LI girls, so hard to read and tie down. Money makes them so horny. And Pinot. And a warm [J]Factor.

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[J011yroger]

I'm thinking of a particular one that has a white M5 in Great Neck and platnium blonde hair. She let me suck her toes in Morton's Little Neck one night many years ago...those damn LI girls, so hard to read and tie down. Money makes them so horny. And Pinot. And a warm [J]Factor.

Wait till you meet her younger sister!

J

 

[JoelDali]

Wait till you meet her younger sister!

J

Oy. Vey. I'm sure shes hot.

And I'm sure she has a white sedan. They all do.

:evil:

 

[J011yroger]

Oy. Vey. I'm sure shes hot.

And I'm sure she has a white sedan. They all do.

:evil:

LOL

You got a lot of chutzpah lumping my girl in with all the rest of them!

:shock:

J

 

[JoelDali]

When I was a young man frolicking my way through LI women I met 2 platnium blondes from the Necks: one of Little, one of Great. One had a white Benzoid, the other a white M5.

BMW girl wanted to be a Jewish MILF that I could not afford.

Benzo girl just wanted to make out which I helped her with.

We were young and restless, I guess nothing can last forever.

Not even Kevlar.

 

[alidisperanza]

chuckle-chuckle Nicely done Joel

 

[Bubba]

Hmm...not trying to be a punk but, didn't someone else tell you to do kevlar mains with the poly cross? I think it's kinda funny you would call it "The Jolly Rig" when it wasn't your idea man. Anyway, no harm meant, just curious...

Dude... get off it.

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