The main reason Nadal and Djokovic still win slams is lack of competition
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Figure it out?
He played Wawrinka 24 times and still haven't figure it out at the grand stages.
Roddick is his nemesis. Just like Davydenko is Nadal's nemesis.
Atennisone
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I am sure you are nobody but a troll.
King No1e
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no, as much as i like dimitrov, nishikori, and raonic, there is no way they are remotely as great as the 3 legends of the sport
My mistake. Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time, and it annoys a pig.
Not completely true
I am sure that statistics is not your strong point.
H2H against the third player is not a good way to compare two other players. To compare Roddick and Potro, there are way more solid statistics:
Top ranking: Roddick No.1, Potro No.4
Slam semifinals: Roddick 10, Potro 5
Slam finals: Roddick 5, Potro 1
Slam wins: Roddick 1, Potro 1
Master wins: Roddick 5, Potro 1
Career titles: Roddick 32, Potro 22
Roddick is clearly better than Potro so far.
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Nadal did not cross his path to the finals. He proved that he can beat Nadal on clay in Paris (2015 QF). Only two players in history of planet Earth managed to do that, and Federer is not one of them
Thanks for admitting that you're a pig.
Clay lover
Legend
The stats may not be significant but Novak's record against big servers do leave a bit to be desired despite his renowned return. Sometimes overall greatness do not equate to specialization
ADuck
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What pure utter cr*p. Who in their right mind would write off Djokovic that easily? Only fanatics, and you can't use fanatics to categorize "most" of the Nadal fans here, unless you yourself are a fanatic.
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You “only” forgot to quote his next sentence: “If he plays anyone for over 6-7 times usually there are no problems.”
Nice try, though...
You “only” forgot to quote his next sentence: “If he plays anyone for over 6-7 times usually there are no problems.”
Nice try, though...
Olympic medals are about as relevant as masters 1000 titles.
Del Potro is also a nothing on clay. Neither won anything meaningful or reached a RG final.
Roddick is better on both HC and grass. 1 USO + 1 F + 1 Miami + 1 US series double > 1 USO + 1 IW
3 Wimbledon finals + multiple queens titles >>>>> 0 Wimbledon finals
Roddick is ahead of Del Potro in every factual stat you can find.
Djokovic2011
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But Del Potro is ten times more wathcable. I think that's something we can all agree on.
NoleFam
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Del Potro is far better on clay man. We all can acknowledge that and have to give credit where it's due. Del Potro has been to two RG SFs and Roddick has been to one 4th round. They both have won titles on clay but all Roddick's are 250s. Now I agree with you on the hardcourt and grass in that Roddick is far more accomplished and had a better career overall, although I think Del Potro's peak on hardcourt was higher.
Tennis_Hands
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People underestimate how Federer wins his matches nowadays, so it is natural that people put him in the same category as Nadal and Djokovic, as a benefactor from a "weak era".
Nadal and to a certain extent Djokovic still compete on both physical and skill level, while Federer doesn't have that luxury.
They are besting their opponents in their own game, while Federer has to face the athleticism and the reflexes of the younger players with skill and tactics.
Nadal bulldozed his way to the RG titles.
Federer finessed his to the Wimbledon and AO ones.
It is a testament to Federer's ability that he could beat the players that he beat, missing major advantages against younger opponents, and especially against other ATGs.
Nadal and to a certain extent Djokovic still compete on both physical and skill level, while Federer doesn't have that luxury.
They are besting their opponents in their own game, while Federer has to face the athleticism and the reflexes of the younger players with skill and tactics.
Nadal bulldozed his way to the RG titles.
Federer finessed his to the Wimbledon and AO ones.
It is a testament to Federer's ability that he could beat the players that he beat, missing major advantages against younger opponents, and especially against other ATGs.
Djokovic2011
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Not to mention his talent.People underestimate how Federer wins his matches nowadays, so it is natural that people put him in the same category as Nadal and Djokovic, as a benefactor from a "weak era".
Nadal and to a certain extent Djokovic still compete on both physical and skill level, while Federer doesn't have that luxury.
They are besting their opponents in their own game, while Federer has to face the athleticism and the reflexes of the younger players with skill and tactics.
Nadal bulldozed his way to the RG titles.
Federer finessed his to the Wimbledon and AO ones.
It is a testament to Federer's ability that he could beat the players that he beat, missing major advantages against younger opponents, and especially against other ATGs.
helterskelter
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Agreed on the one's you made Roddick favorite for.
Of the 50/50s, I would make Gonzalez quite comfortable favorite for 07 AO. He was on fire that tournament and it took all Federer (himself playing very well) had to deny him a set. I'd say Gonzalez would have been a 65-70% favorite against Roddick.
Agreed that 05 Wimbledon between Hewitt and Roddick would be close to 50-50. I would marginally favor Hewitt but it could go either way. One relevant factor is whether we're assuming that Federer missed the event injured or never took up tennis. If the former, then Hewitt having won Wimbledon before, and Roddick having narrowly failed to do so, might push it somewhat in Hewitt's favor. If Roddick went in as reigning champion having won Wimbledon 2003 and 2004, then I would make him slight favorite to beat Hewitt. For sure, Hewitt's form in 2004 was not good enough to give Roddick a close match, let alone beat him. But Roddick played much better in 04 than in 05.
I would make Djokovic favorite for a 2007 US Open in which Federer didn't play. Perhaps Roddick's experience would have helped him, and I know he has a good record against Djokovic. I think he could give Djokovic all he could handle, but I would expect Djokovic to come through in the end. Agreed that Roddick would beat everyone else.
Of the 50/50s, I would make Gonzalez quite comfortable favorite for 07 AO. He was on fire that tournament and it took all Federer (himself playing very well) had to deny him a set. I'd say Gonzalez would have been a 65-70% favorite against Roddick.
Agreed that 05 Wimbledon between Hewitt and Roddick would be close to 50-50. I would marginally favor Hewitt but it could go either way. One relevant factor is whether we're assuming that Federer missed the event injured or never took up tennis. If the former, then Hewitt having won Wimbledon before, and Roddick having narrowly failed to do so, might push it somewhat in Hewitt's favor. If Roddick went in as reigning champion having won Wimbledon 2003 and 2004, then I would make him slight favorite to beat Hewitt. For sure, Hewitt's form in 2004 was not good enough to give Roddick a close match, let alone beat him. But Roddick played much better in 04 than in 05.
I would make Djokovic favorite for a 2007 US Open in which Federer didn't play. Perhaps Roddick's experience would have helped him, and I know he has a good record against Djokovic. I think he could give Djokovic all he could handle, but I would expect Djokovic to come through in the end. Agreed that Roddick would beat everyone else.
Yeah fair enough he’s better than Roddick but he’s still not amazing so I would hesitate to say that makes him so much more complete.
Roddick is ahead on grass by more and on HCs too (although I agree I’d take Delpo’s peak at the USO)
swordtennis
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Fed fans are filled with delusional ranting hate and deep dark primitive emotions. Creepy group of clones who in their right minds say these things? Think these things? Lol.
Nole fans are the same.
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
swordtennis
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Plamen1234
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Rafa 24 in the last few months was creating a lot of troll threads and was obsessed with Federer.
swordtennis
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Lol true. He is rafa colt 45. Hes a 40 of malt liquor kind a guy.
metsman
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delpo's peak could have been higher but I don't think he ever realized it due to the injuries, don't think 09 USO is any better than 03, Roddick's advantage on serve is too massive and his movement was a little better too. Delpo if his serve improvements had coincided with his pre-surgery career movement and backhand could have won 3-5 slams I think.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
I think the gears Del Potro reached in the SF and Final in 2009 are something that Roddick was unable to produce in 2003, no matter how much better his serve is.
abmk
Bionic Poster
disagree. what metsman said.
Roddick was at around that level in general in 2003 when he won Canada, Cincy and USO.
If we're looking for a specific (high profile) match at the USO where he was at that level - that would be the final of USO 2003 vs Ferrero.
another one of course is the USO 07 QF vs fed. (esp. the first 2 sets)
Also re : USO 09 final, delpo didn't really hit top form until federer was serving for the 2nd set.
credit for his belief, but level wasn't as good as the semi overall or the French Open semi vs Fed earlier that year for that matter.
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cognitohand
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He has match up problems with fast servers and power players e.g. roddick, kyrigos, karlovic, wawrinka etc and has difficulty closing slams too on many big occasions
Nitpicking here. He is obviously still an elite champion
abmk
Bionic Poster
For sure delpo's is significantly ahead on clay.
he had fed on the ropes in RG 2009 SF with stunning play ...would've been at worst even with Soderling in a potential final.
played Nadal tough in DC 11.
had fed down in RG 12 QF , but then got tired+some minor injury issue I think
then reached RG SF this year.
helterskelter
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Sampras won a Slam at the age Djokovic is now. Agassi won a Slam at the age Nadal is now (actually, a few months older). How is it a surprise that Nadal and Djokovic are still winning at 32 and 31?
Fabresque
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Out of those 4 you mentioned he only has an issue with Karlovic.
Roddick’s wins came against baby Djoker who wasn’t anywhere near his peak. We all saw what happened at the 2012 Olympics and the 2010 WTF’s:
Kyrgios’ 2 wins came against the worst Djoker we’d seen in years, neither mattered anyway since Kyrgios just tanked the next matches.
Isn’t he 19-5 against Wawrinka? Hardly a matchup issue. He’s also 4-3 against him in slam matches, was 4-1 before RG Final.
I’ll give you his matchup problems against Karlovic, he hates playing him with everything he has.
cognitohand
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Baby Djokovic? Nowhere near peak. Lol so his losses dont count due to age but roddicks do count peak and age only affect your fav player I guess hey. Same for VB etc
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