The myth of Djokovic 2010's domination
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weakera
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This is patheticSaying he dominated the decade is a pretty inarguable fact removed from any qualifiers. You have to add qualifiers to make it a 'myth'. It's always good to know there are bigger idiots on twitter than we even have here.
Imagine if Nadal ever enjoyed two prime seasons with only Murray and Wawrinka to contend with
B
Beerus
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lol
Kralingen
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I’m imagining this year called “2010” where Nadal won 3 Slams… wait, am I imagining it?Imagine if Nadal ever enjoyed two prime seasons with only Murray and Wawrinka to contend with
NatF
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Imagine if Nadal ever enjoyed two prime seasons with only Murray and Wawrinka to contend with
He had less than that in 2010 lol.
weakera
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Kralingen
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The original post doesn’t make sense anyways, Federer was probably his biggest challenge in 2015 not Stan or Murray… 3 Slam SFs/Fs vs Fed in 15/16 vs 4 Slam SFs/Fs against Murray and 3 vs Wawrinka in 15/16. It’s just a lie from an account titled “Nadal prop”. But least that poster is being open about their intentions here, lol.
BauerAlmeida
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Imagine if Nadal ever enjoyed two prime seasons with only Murray and Wawrinka to contend with
Since Federer doesn't seem to exist, who did Nadal have in 2017 and first half of 2018?
Who did Nadal have in 2010?
Why is Djokovic to blame that Nadal wasn't there in those two seasons?
ibbi
G.O.A.T.
Yeah, I can. That doesn't mean we have to try and discredit actual things that actually happened. Are you going to make a thread mocking the 2017 US Open next?Imagine if Nadal ever enjoyed two prime seasons with only Murray and Wawrinka to contend with
weakera
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Kralingen
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2010 Almagro/Soderling at RGI love this meme
2010 Murray/Berdych at WB
2010 Youzhny/Djokovic at USO
2015 Wawrinka/Murray at AO
2015 Cilic/Anderson/Federer at WB
2015 RBA/Federer at USO
I mean neither of these are great, but I can we really say one is tougher than the other?
ibbi
G.O.A.T.
2021 wasn't that bad!Why wouldn't I start with the last two Wimbledon's
Anyway, the point is, it all is what it is. People trying to lessen the sweeping accomplishments of players other than their faves as if every player doesn't have stuff you can nitpick over is childishly petty. Be better.
weakera
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I love this idea that Djokovic 2011 AO is the ultimate final boss and Djokovic 2010 USO a joke lol. As for W, Nadal was merely reclaiming his title he couldn't defend in 2009. And RG, I don't know that he would have lost to even Almagro and soldering in a 2 on 1
weakera
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2021 wasn't that bad!
It's not about lessening anyone's accomplishments. It's about dispelling the myth that Djokovic was the dominant force over a decade. His period of "domination" can be reduced to a two season abberation. Otherwise he was second fiddle to Nadal.
Kralingen
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They are both amazing seasons featuring elite levels of play, both came without facing great opposition.I love this idea that Djokovic 2011 AO is the ultimate final boss and Djokovic 2010 USO a joke lol. As for W, Nadal was merely reclaiming his title he couldn't defend in 2009. And RG, I don't know that he would have lost to even Almagro and soldering in a 2 on 1
AgassiSuperSlam11
Professional
Nadal was 2-0 in HC vs Nole in 2010. The H2H could've been seriously skewered if he got him in Clay that year.
MichaelNadal
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Slayyyyy bestie
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
2010 is a part of the 2000s since there is not a year 0
MeatTornado
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Tennis is more than just the slams. Novak had a better decade overall than Nadal or Federer. Not really debatable.
Cantconvert2MP
Rookie
wait... so it's not a weak era then since he was just overall playing with people equal to him considering his lack of domination.
ibbi
G.O.A.T.
Again, saying that he was the 'dominant force over a decade' is not a myth, it is a fact. If you want to add context to it, that is fine, but you're cherrypicking. Over the course of the decade, the entire decade, he won more matches, titles, 1000s, slams, and spent more weeks at number 1 than anybody else.
Hell, you can remove 2015-16 and he only barely trails Rafa in most of these categories and that's comparing 8 of his years to Rafa's 10. In fact, I believe in the top 10 wins stat, he still leads Nadal if you remove all his 2015 and 2016 top 10 wins and just compare the amount he has from the other 8 years to Nadal's from the entire decade. Also, if you're discounting 2015 and 2016 in this thing, you should surely discount 2017 and the first half of 2018 when Novak was a shadow of himself too, surely?
Curtennis
Hall of Fame
Such a dumb way to look at it. Yes 2000 years ago that created an issue. It doesn’t make any sense to still work around that now. 2010 is clearly in the 2010s
MichaelNadal
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AgassiSuperSlam11
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Nadal already had the edge in slams 2006-2009 the fact that he was almost par for the course the next decade despite all those injuries and surgeries speaks volume.
Tennfan123
Legend
I like it!
Dominic & Andrey
Legend
Nadal in 2010 would have only won one slam had he faced 2011 Djokovic at the USO and Wimbledon.
AnOctorokForDinner
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Only two of the 11 seasons between 2011 and 2021 saw someone win more slems than Novack: 2013 (doll, 2; novok, 1) and 2017 (fred 2, doll 2, novok 0). Sad but true, and tells us.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
A myth huh...well let me drop this right here for you.
www.tennis.com
The Men's Player of the Decade: Novak Djokovic | common-site-name
The Serbian overcame two living legends, and their fervent fan bases, to assemble one of the best and most consistent 10-year runs in tennis history.
RS
Bionic Poster
Thanks to Murray's 3 major injuries he didn't win more.A myth huh...well let me place this right here for you
The Men's Player of the Decade: Novak Djokovic | common-site-name
The Serbian overcame two living legends, and their fervent fan bases, to assemble one of the best and most consistent 10-year runs in tennis history.
RS
Bionic Poster
I though he had 2 on the hip?
Could have been a huge challenger to take some Djokovic's Wim titles away
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
It was the same part of the hip though right?
2014? Well he would have had to beat Djokovic and Federer to win if he was in better form. Tough task. In 2015, he was in better form but lost to Federer. 2016, they were both were out of his way and he had a golden chance to win #2. Then the injury happened. If he was fit and in form, he would have put up more of a challenge than the last two year's opponents for Djokovic though, I agree.
AgassiSuperSlam11
Professional
From 2010-2019 Nole was absent for only 1 slam (2017 USO) and Nadal missed 4 slams (2013 AO, 2012, 2014 USO, 2016 Wim). In addition, Nole retired early against Berdych 2017 WIm and 2019 USO Wawrinka (had lost 2 sets already) and Nadal due to wrist injury quit the 2016 FO after 3R. When you add a Gold Medal and 2 Davis Cup wins for Nadal and 1 Davis Cup and 4 ATP titles for Nole it gives Nole the edge. Nole won 38% of the slams he entered and Nadal 36% so that stat is pretty close. Nole was the player of the decade 2010-2019 but Nadal was on his rear-view mirror.
Backspin1183
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And 2000 is a part of the 1990s? What you smokin', man?
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Blame the Romans. 19th century is 1901-2000.
TheFifthSet
Legend
Not like Murray, O.lderer and Wawrinka are worse than Thiem, Anderson, Downswingrinka, an even older Clayerer and Med from ‘17-‘19 (Nadal’s opposition in slam wins).
alexio
G.O.A.T.
technically he's right, this topic has already been probably discussed twice here, another thing is how the human eye likes it, apparently not very much, so we're used to count it a little differently
Technology Ruined Tennis
Hall of Fame
What took you so long? Usually pedants are annoyingly punctual.
RF-18
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Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
technically he's right, this topic has already been probably discussed twice here, another thing is how the human eye likes it, apparently not very much, so we're used to count it a little differently
1990s - Wikipedia
Third Serve
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Here, let's break this down. No cheating with arbitrary boundaries because you can make up any specific ordering of the years to change the narrative. Just the 2010-2019 decade, pure and simple. If you wanna quibble that the decade starts at 2011 and ends in 2020, I assure you that that looks even better for Djokovic so this right here is me being generous to the Nadal.
2010-2019:
Djokovic - Nadal
Slams: 15 - 13
Additional Slam finals: 7 - 5
YE-#1: 5 - 4
YEC titles: 5 - 0
Masters titles: 29 - 18
Djokovic outperformed everyone else throughout this whole period, and it's fairly clear in most respects. Nadal's done well to keep up respectable numbers--especially at the Slams even though this decade doesn't include all of his best years (on the other hand, all of Djokovic's best seasons are represented). But he's a very obvious second.
Now, let's address the other issue of Djokovic supposedly vulturing wins in 2015 and 2016. It's true, the competition was average at best in 2015 and poor in 2016, but let's not sweep 2010 under the rug like that... that season was even weaker than 2015 and not too shy of 2016.
And obviously 2017-2019 was chock-full of weak competition but both of these players benefitted from it (Nadal slightly more than Djokovic) so it's a moot point.
2010-2019:
Djokovic - Nadal
Slams: 15 - 13
Additional Slam finals: 7 - 5
YE-#1: 5 - 4
YEC titles: 5 - 0
Masters titles: 29 - 18
Djokovic outperformed everyone else throughout this whole period, and it's fairly clear in most respects. Nadal's done well to keep up respectable numbers--especially at the Slams even though this decade doesn't include all of his best years (on the other hand, all of Djokovic's best seasons are represented). But he's a very obvious second.
Now, let's address the other issue of Djokovic supposedly vulturing wins in 2015 and 2016. It's true, the competition was average at best in 2015 and poor in 2016, but let's not sweep 2010 under the rug like that... that season was even weaker than 2015 and not too shy of 2016.
And obviously 2017-2019 was chock-full of weak competition but both of these players benefitted from it (Nadal slightly more than Djokovic) so it's a moot point.
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