The myth that Federer would beat Djokovic on fast surfaces

[Madinolf]

Fed played better in 2012 when he faced and beat prime Djokovic in 4 sets convincingly, ultra-clown.

So he plays bad only when he loses to Novak? Don't you realize how biased you look?

3-0 in Wimbledon finals. End of the story.

 

[Nadal_Django]

Fed played better in 2012 when he faced and beat prime Djokovic in 4 sets convincingly, ultra-clown.

2012 was a slumping version of Djokovic. He played nowhere near his prime level. And 2014 and 2015 versions of Federer are much better than the 2012 Federer. It's not even close.

 

[abmk]

So he plays bad only when he loses to Novak? Don't you realize how biased you look?

3-0 in Wimbledon finals. End of the story.

no, you fresh new green troll, Fed also didn't play well in Wim 13 when he lost to Stak, in 16 when he lost to Raonic, 18 when he lost to Anderson, 21 when he lost to Hurkacz
he only lost to Novak at Wimbledon when he was nearly 33 or older.

Past his prime fed beat prime Djokovic at Wim 12 convincingly in 4 sets.
Djokovic just ultralucky with ~33 yo old federer or older.

 

[Madinolf]

no, you fresh new green troll, Fed also didn't play well in Wim 13 when he lost to Stak, in 16 when he lost to Raonic, 18 when he lost to Anderson, 21 when he lost to Hurkacz
he only lost to Novak at Wimbledon when he was nearly 33 or older.

Past his prime fed beat prime Djokovic at Wim 12 convincingly in 4 sets.
Djokovic just ultralucky with ~33 yo old federer or older.

So he plays bad only when he loses. He can't lose if he's playing good.

 

[abmk]

So he plays bad only when he loses. He can't lose if he's playing good.

Going by prime standards, Fed played well when he lost to Nadal in Wim 08 final.

So you fail again, you D-grade troll.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Going by prime standards, Fed played well when he lost to Nadal in Wim 08 final.

So you fail again, you D-grade troll.

I think in the afterlife, you and Lew will still be arguing

 

[NoleIsBoat]

Going by prime standards, Fed played well when he lost to Nadal in Wim 08 final.

So you fail again, you D-grade troll.

08 was nowhere near 15 or 19 for level. I am amazed at how much faster the game is played at in recent years.

 

[Quaichang]

It actually has more grass now then 70s 80s Wimbledon etc

That’s why I call it a green clay court. Didn’t see too many long rallies in 70s 80s 90s.

 

[NedStark]

And 2014 and 2015 versions of Federer are much better than the 2012 Federer. It's not even close.

2014-15 versions have lost his old forehand, which has always been his biggest weapon by far. He could no longer smack balls off his FH side at will with a free-flowing motion after the racquet change. Meanwhile, his gain in BH side did not really pay off until he faced Nadal again in 2017.

 

[NedStark]

The fastest tournament over the last 15 years was Paris 2010, and guess what, Djokovic went down like a chump against a S&V journeyman who suddenly caught fire during that tourney (one must be kidding him/herself if he/she believes that Llodra is better than Henman, 2003 Federer or even Phillippoussis).

 

[SonnyT]

Because Federer fares so badly vs Djokovic in real life. His fans have to imagine every mythical, hypothetical match they can think of. Their unsurprising verdict: he wins every of those.

Thanks, OP, for the definitive qualitative last word on this, and not just the usual speculations and musings.

 

[SonnyT]

Slams Djokovic and Federer met ordered by the percentage of aces hit by the players in the tournament:

2014 Wimbledon 11.1%
2015 Wimbledon 10.4%

H2H score in the 6 tournaments with the most aces (in bold) --> 5-1 Djokovic

A plausible explanation for this is: the harder it is to return, the more important it is!

If a court is so fast that Djokovic has trouble with the Federer serve, then Federer would also have trouble with the Djokovic serve. Then the question is, marginally, who holds the advantage?

Just as we expect, Wimbledon and AO on top of list; USO in the middle; RG bringing up the rear.