The Nadal abdominal injury will permanently reduce the effectiveness of his serve?

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"Suddenly"? This was an issue in most of 2022.

Funny you mention that about taking credit away. Courier does this all the time. I remember after a Nadal loss he once said "look, not to take anything away from what his opponent did" and then went right back to talking about the injury. Like, he barely even acknowledged the other (winning) player. To him it's always on Nadal's racquet and the only reason Rafa ever loses is injury.
But not on serve.

Again, you're deflecting to what Courier said back then when... I'm talking about these comments about Rafa's serve specifically, which you and some other posters found an issue with. Who knows how you perceive everything else that commentators say, if they dare mention Rafa's health.
 

DIMI_D

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"He's far more limited it seems," the American great said on Nine's coverage.
"It doesn't seem like he can arch back with his abdominal and reach back for the ball over his shoulder. As he's serving, everything is moving out to his left side.
"I just don't know if he can use the abdominal to reach back up there. He's also hitting it at a lower contact hit point, not as high, that makes it harder to be accurate.
"It's something that we watched in the US summer when he came to play in Cincinnati and the US Open.
"He was suffering from that and we thought it might've been a temporary situation, (but) it does not appear to be the case. It has not resolved in that time, which was about four months ago.
"It would seem to us that would not be a choice that he would willingly make. That is an accommodation for the injury he sustained at Wimbledon I would have to assume."

Henman was also in agreement with Courier and explained how Nadal's new ball toss was hampering his flexibility on certain points.
"It's really taking out the kick serve, the top spin on the second serve, because you've got to get up the back of the ball, and to do that you need to arch your back," he said.
"If your ball toss is a little bit further in front, then you're only coming around the side of the ball.
"It means you can only hit a slice serve and that limits where Rafa's really going to be able to hit into the box."

Former English pro Mark Petchey also noticed the slight change while sitting courtside during Nadal's clash against de Minaur.
"The predictability is one thing, but it's obvious to see that he's not trying to serve at the body, because that's been his pattern over the last couple of years on second serves," he said.
"The other thing from that graphic is how far forward it (the ball) is. That affects your plus-one shot.
"He's a lot further inside the baseline, he's a little rushed on his plus-one after his serve because of how far forward the ball is."

United Cup Tennis 2023: Rafael Nadal injury concerns made after Alex de Minaur loss, Australian Open news (nine.com.au)
For all the reasons stated he won’t be able to win anything significant maybe this translates to clay as well only time will tell he will have a little more time and the serve isn’t as important…
I think his body has decided for him and tbh ACL heal in the time-frame he was out of action this ab injury looks permanent the scar tissue has remained around his area.
So sad to see as a fan him not being competitive anymore he obviously doesn’t want to retire and is not ready but his body is telling him otherwise…
 
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DIMI_D

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Maybe he should have rested better over the off season to allow himself to fully heal.
No this injury is permanent they don’t take this long to heal I looked it up and it’s permanent scar tissue around the ab like a long thin elastic sheet not a compact thick muscle..
 

DIMI_D

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You would have to be blind to not notice how impacted he was at Cincinnati/US open that wasn’t normal serve and movement and you can see it here still not timing the ball properly and movement side to side
 

Incognito

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Courier is a Nadal fanboy and everytime he is losing lately, he keeps insinuating he must be injured. When he was getting beaten by Tommy Paul, he was doing it again in the commentating. He's annoying at this point and just leave the the favoritism and bias out of your commentating.

Courier a Nadal fanboy? Lol, you must be joking. This year he said, Djokovic is the heavy favorite at RG and didnt see anyone beating him.
 

NoleFam

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Courier a Nadal fanboy? Lol, you must be joking. This year he said, Djokovic is the heavy favorite at RG and didnt see anyone beating him.
Even the bookies had Alcaraz as the favorite for RG because of the question mark regarding Nadal's injury. Means very little.
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
Courier is a Nadal fanboy and everytime he is losing lately, he keeps insinuating he must be injured. When he was getting beaten by Tommy Paul, he was doing it again in the commentating. He's annoying at this point and just leave the the favoritism and bias out of your commentating.

Djokovic is perpetual victim in eyes of his Serbian fans.

And you're a perpetual jackass. Stfu.

Son, Everyone knows Serbian Nationalists have a victim card in pocket. Stfu and own it.

NoleFam is American, dummy. You invoked ethnicity/nationality for no reason. Now go and pivot by acting you knew all along and it was part of the plan.
 

TearTheRoofOff

G.O.A.T.
How come he served his hardest when he won USO? Afterwards he said that due to a shoulder injury he couldn't replicate that power...
Indeed. Appaz he's happy to repeatedly destroy every single other part of his body throughout the year, but can't replicate a serve which held up fine for 7 rounds and got him his simplest non-clay slam.
 

alexio

G.O.A.T.
He's of Serbian Descent like most of Novak's fans living outside Serbia and yes Djokovic fans make him a victim, you can be all but*hurt about it. Even his father said he's a victim when Djokovic opted to be a poster boy of anti vax moment.pretend all you want that Djokovic fanbase don't see him as a victim. Son, i couldn't care less
this is super funny stuff that most of fans outside serbia are with serbian descent, lol, son, try better next time pls
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
The thing is none of us, including the commentators know how Rafa is right now or will be by the time the Australian Open starts, only his own team do.
If you think back when he pulled out of the US west coast tournaments with breathing problems and then foot issues you would have thought he could not have won the French and while that’s his favourite surface it’s still a very physical event where players are grinding away on that clay for hours. His foot certainly wouldn’t have appreciated the unstable surface of the clay despite being softer than hard courts. He then backed up a short time later at Wimbledon and made it to the semis before pulling out.
So the assessment would be that he is very good at managing his injuries and doing the necessary recovery work but now at 36 years of age it takes harder to recover to 100 percent and longer to recover, so what he will do is work around his injuries and we will see what happens.
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
Yeah, sure and Djokovic fans don't make him a victim , keep lying to yourself, son! Noone is buying their victim card anymore.

You're so confidently wrong, it'd be cute if it weren't sad lol. Let's just say he's shared enough about himself over the years for basically the entire forum to know he's not Serbian. Pretty stupid that you keep doubling down to not show weakness (or whatever creepy insecure motivation you have here), on something that any long-time member can confirm...but then you're a pretty stupid ****, so...
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Nadal will somehow win two early matches before getting biotch slapped by his first seeded antagonist, underrated Brazilian Silva.
 

GregN

Rookie
Maybe it's a deliberate ploy by the team to throw the ball a little further forward to flatten it out and generate a bit more speed. The commentators are traditionally clutching at straws in order to make a story. To me after watching his two matches he is hitting the backhand as good as he has ever hit it, his forehand and movement however have taken a bit of a hit. He was also standing much closer to the baseline to receive serve so I assume the team are fine tuning his game.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Son, Everyone knows Serbian Nationalists have a victim card in pocket. Stfu and own it.
Gramps, for one you seem to have some issue with Serbians since you never bring up Swiss or Spanish when talking about Federer and Nadal. Secondly, I've told you multiple times I'm not Serbian, which a lot of the forum can attest to because I posted face pics before, but you keep up with this ignorant bs. You're annoying and you need to stfu.
 
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TheFifthSet

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Aah, deflating from the matter to sound smart ? Pretty stupid that you keep denying Novak fans painting him victim , he's not allowed to play , world against Serbia , he gets booed because he's eastern European. go bury your head under sand , son , we are tired of Novak being victim, noone cares, you clown and stop replying me.

> claimed a thing that was verifiably wrong
> didn’t acknowledge it even after it was made manifestly clear
> brings up the other party engaging in “deflation” (sic)


Weird, sad guy.
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
Gramps, for one you seem to have some issue with Serbians since you never bring up Swiss or Spanish when talking about Federer and Nadal. Secondly, I've told you multiple times I'm not Serbian, which a lot of the forum can attest to because I posted face pics before, but you keep up with this ignorant bs. You're an annoying jackass and you need to stfu.

LOL. Yeah, to wit:

You're comparing social media while Federer is making 100 mil a year. Lol. Nadal makes maybe 1/3rd of what he makes, if that. I never said Djokovic was more popular. That's not the title of your thread. You said Djokovic is not as big of a star as Nadal. Well it looks pretty bad that Nadal earns less in endorsements for years than somebody like him doesn't it? And I'm not Serbian and I already told you that in another thread. I'm Black, in case you're wondering, so really you might want to stfu.

^makes his behaviour border on pathological. People have been banned for less. Must wonder if at some point in his personal history, a chauvinistic Serbian guy stole his girl or something.
 

DIMI_D

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The thing is none of us, including the commentators know how Rafa is right now or will be by the time the Australian Open starts, only his own team do.
If you think back when he pulled out of the US west coast tournaments with breathing problems and then foot issues you would have thought he could not have won the French and while that’s his favourite surface it’s still a very physical event where players are grinding away on that clay for hours. His foot certainly wouldn’t have appreciated the unstable surface of the clay despite being softer than hard courts. He then backed up a short time later at Wimbledon and made it to the semis before pulling out.
So the assessment would be that he is very good at managing his injuries and doing the necessary recovery work but now at 36 years of age it takes harder to recover to 100 percent and longer to recover, so what he will do is work around his injuries and we will see what happens.
He has the knack for the impossible! That’s what makes him so great. The perpetual fighter! Let’s hope he can rise from the dead like the undertaker he has done this so many times before and taken me by surprise when I thought all was lost but he is getting older these Houdini like acts can’t last much longer
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
LOL. Yeah, to wit:



^makes his behaviour border on pathological. People have been banned for less. Must wonder if at some point in his personal history, a chauvinistic Serbian guy stole his girl or something.
It's pathological and disturbing that he thinks every fan of Djokovic, an international sports star, is Serbian. It's not been once or twice but multiple times at this point so there's some underlying issue somewhere and they have been banned for less. Lol, that sounds like it might be right.
 

Clay lover

Legend
New flash: he's old so he'll decline even without an injury. Anyway hopefully maybe it's more an ingrained habit out of fear of aggravating the injury than a real one.
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
He has the knack for the impossible! That’s what makes him so great. The perpetual fighter! Let’s hope he can rise from the dead like the undertaker he has done this so many times before and taken me by surprise when I thought all was lost but he is getting older these Houdini like acts can’t last much longer

The perpetual fighter vs Perpetual victim - whol will win the slam race?
 

NeutralFan

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> claimed a thing that was verifiably wrong
> didn’t acknowledge it even after it was made manifestly clear
> brings up the other party engaging in “deflation” (sic)


Weird, sad guy.

It all started with Djokovic fans making him a perpetual victims.

Prove if that's not the case. Let's pretend they didn't cry about him not being allowed to play and it's not his fault but others fault. Let's pretend that his fans didn't claim that Djokovic is not liked and booed because he's Serbian. It's not his fault that people don't like his needy behaviour, victim mindset.

As far Nadal's popularity is concerned, he can fill Aztec Stadia in Mexico . Wonder why Djokovic get booed everywhere if he's popular in western world?why he never make Exibition event outside Serbia ? take it or leave it , he's not as popular as Nadal, not even close.
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
Lol @NoleFam there is more logic to argue with a bucket of potatoes than with that guy. Stop wasting your time dude. Lol

Here comes a guy who wished injury on a player and pretend to be fan of Nadal for years. :laughing: :laughing: are Djokovic fans as fake as him ? son! One guy has a RF name , another pretended to be Nadal fan for years , so sad. Fake attracts fake, no wonder Roddick ,Fed and many players called out his fakery.
 

DIMI_D

Hall of Fame
The perpetual fighter vs Perpetual victim - whol will win the slam race?
Djoker has it all sealed up already…
Even with nadal being plus 1 up I consider on the bulk of achievements Djoker as the greater of the 2 have nadal ahead when he is 2 slams clear…
 

DIMI_D

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I think it's something to do with scar tissue reducing his flexibility?

"Scar tissue has less flexibility than muscle or fascia, leading to decreased mobility and flexibility."
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Yes this is what I read as well and mentioned to @NeutralFan the scar tissue being unable to ever heal
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
It would be weird if he still physically struggled with the remnants of that injury but kept playing all these mini events. And I think abdominal tears when healed don't limit mobility. So it could be a learned pattern from the time when he was recovering from the injury and adjusting accordingly, and it stuck for whatever reason.

Nadal really should've prioritised his serve more overall. Hard to believe that his innate ability in this department is THAT much worse compared to the elite servers of about the same height.
He needs Feliciano and Roger to help him win Wimbledon for the third and final time.
:cool:
 

DIMI_D

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A lot will depend on draw and hc field is not that bad , especially if Z , Alcaraz and Med comes in good form.
Yes for sure but I think Zod def not ready this tournament and Alcaraz is a big unknown looks a bit inconsistent back end of the season and also in the exhos hopefully he can work his way into the tournament as he is legitimate contender when he is on. Also a player I really like fantastic temperament I’m a fan already
 
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