The NTRP levels of College Tennis Teams

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Igrac

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I was wondering what the average NTRP is for the players in D1 schools as well as some JC's

Does anyone know what NTRP level you wold need to be to play on a Junior College Team. i.e. Glendale Community College

also what NTRP are the players in the California teams like

USC, UCLA and UC Berkeley?
 
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10isDad

Hall of Fame
Not trying to be rude, but if you use the Search tool, you'll find this topic discussed ad nauseum.

The bottom line: there probably isn't a figure. D1 schools run the gamut from the elite to schools that are probably so weak that some SoCal high school teams would be competitive with them. The same goes for each division.
 
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papatenis

Semi-Pro
Igrac said:
I was wondering what the average NTRP is for the players in D1 schools as well as some JC's
Does anyone know what NTRP level you wold need to be to play on a Junior College Team. i.e. Glendale Community College
also what NTRP are the players in the California teams like
USC, UCLA and UC Berkeley?
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I'm from L.A./socal, I think guys that play on jc and cal states are in the range of 4.5 and up, while guys in the PAC-10 mostly play at the highest level on the NTRP.
 
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tennismom42

Semi-Pro
Igrac said:
I was wondering what the average NTRP is for the players in D1 schools as well as some JC's

Does anyone know what NTRP level you wold need to be to play on a Junior College Team. i.e. Glendale Community College

also what NTRP are the players in the California teams like

USC, UCLA and UC Berkeley?
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Since my son is still a junior, he's never had an NTRP. Nonetheless, I think I've seen enough to give an estimate (for whatever it's worth). I'd say he's a 6.0; lowest on his college team would be 5.5. He's a freshman at D1 midmajor.

Keep in mind that there's a wide spread. I've seen some college players at some D1 schools that are maybe as low as 4.5. The key tennis states (CA, FL, TX, GA) are going to have a lot more high-rated juniors becoming college players in those same states.

So, don't bank too much on the NTRP.
 
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tennismom42

Semi-Pro
10isDad said:
Not trying to be rude, but if you use the Search tool, you'll find this topic discussed ad nauseum.

The bottom line: there probably isn't a figure. D1 schools run the gamut from the elite to schools that are probably so weak that some SoCal high school teams would be competitive with them. The same goes for each division.
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"ad nauseum" LOL. I hope they add that to Webster's Dictionary.
 
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Nellie

Hall of Fame
You can look up the bios of the top players at Stanford, USC, and UCLA (I never tried for Berkeley). These players are semi-pros, often with international experience and ATP points.
 
ttbrowne

ttbrowne

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Nellie said:
You can look up the bios of the top players at Stanford, USC, and UCLA (I never tried for Berkeley). These players are semi-pros, often with international experience and ATP points.
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Yes, I posted a thread about the University of Oklahoma getting a player ranked around 907 on the ATP rankings. So I'm guessing he would be around a 7.0.
 
goran_ace

goran_ace

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NTRP's are irrelevant. Take a look at the bios on the team roster and look at what their rankings and achievements were as a junior.
 
Fedace

Fedace

Banned
Igrac said:
I was wondering what the average NTRP is for the players in D1 schools as well as some JC's

Does anyone know what NTRP level you wold need to be to play on a Junior College Team. i.e. Glendale Community College

also what NTRP are the players in the California teams like

USC, UCLA and UC Berkeley?
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7.0-7.5 or so.
 
T10s747

T10s747

Rookie
If you look at the NTRP rating's guide, it has nothing to do with how well you strike the ball. It has to do with you ability to hit all shots from all court positions and use strategy as you are rated higher. Many pros cannot hit an assortment of shots. Many cannot use strategy (Ginepre) . But they strike the ball better and move much better than teaching pros. Ergo, NTRP ratings are meaningless.
 
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kendall22

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Federer wouldn't even know what a 7.0 is. Why would he know the U.S. amateur number system? In switzerland, the numbers go lower as one gets better.
 
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slice bh compliment

G.O.A.T.
goran_ace said:
NTRP's are irrelevant. Take a look at the bios on the team roster and look at what their rankings and achievements were as a junior.
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Truth. My impression is that nobody actually uses NTRP ratings until they're 30. Well, post-college at least.

I played a good level of tennis in the 80s and 90s. As a 30+ yr old, I've beaten some D2 kids pretty handily. I have a big serve and I've had trouble holding serve against some DI kids. Now, I'm positive I'd lose to some of the top DIII kids who would do fine in DI or 2. It's a good level out there, depending on the program. I'm guessing college kids range from 4.5 all the way up to almost the world-class/tour level.
 
tennisplayer1993

tennisplayer1993

Professional
i would say at a mid-low tier division 1 team its 5.5. I know a kid whose part of a D1 college team thats lowly ranked. I know another kid who was recruited by Stanford and Georgia and he was ranked top 50 in the country when he graduated high school so I'm assuming he's a 6.5 or so. he straight setted the kid above about 6-0 6-1.

the 6.0ish guy is a huge big hitter. Hits 120mph serves and has a killer forehand. Never played a match on him but he kicked my best friend's butt and we're both 4.5-5.0.

probably also helps that he's well above 6'5''.
 
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BHSC

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Generally:

a 7.0 player is a player with earnings greater than expenses.

A 6.5 is someone who is on the tour, but doesn't earn enough to cover expenses.

As the USTA guidlines say, 6.0 is someone ranked above #400 as well as ITA Div 1 ranked college players.

All Division I guys are considered 5.5 or better
 
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J_R_B

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BHSC said:
Generally:

a 7.0 player is a player with earnings greater than expenses.

A 6.5 is someone who is on the tour, but doesn't earn enough to cover expenses.

As the USTA guidlines say, 6.0 is someone ranked above #400 as well as ITA Div 1 ranked college players.

All Division I guys are considered 5.5 or better
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5.5 is the minimum self-rating for D1 players, but so what? NTRP ratings are meaningless for these guys anyway. In reality, guys at the top major conference schools (like the Isners and Johnsons and Devvarmans...) are 6.5-7.0, ready for the tour. Most rank and file guys on these teams are 5.5-6.0 (IOW, still too good for USTA league...). Once you get down into lower teams and mid-majors, there are no more aspiring pros, and the top guys are high 5.5 type players. The rank and file players are more like 5.0-caliber and some even lower. There is one guy around here who plays doubles only for a weak mid major school who plays 4.0 league in the summer. Really, he could compete at 4.5, but he's definitely not higher than that.
 
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BHSC

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Here's a list of the league ratings for the team that won the "Open" National title last year.

Player Name NTRP Player Name NTRP Player Name NTRP
Jeffrey Appel 5.5 Kaes Van't Hof 6.5 Adam El Mihdawy 7
Stephen Bass 6.5 Jason Pinsky 6 Mariusz Adamski 6
Cory A. Parr 6.5 Todd F. Paul 6.5


Match for National - National Championship

Date Match Played:10/30/2011 Date Scheduled:10/30/2011 Last Modified:11/1/2011
Match Home Team:Eastern NYAC Nationals
Team ID:***** Vs. Visiting Team:Intermo Pop
Team ID:***** 3rd Set Tie-break
#1 Singles Adam El Mihdawy Completed

Vs. vicente Jose joli

7-6 7-6
#1 Doubles Kaes Van't Hof Jason Pinsky
Completed
Vs. Clancy Shields Luke Shields

4-6 0-6
#2 Doubles Cory A. Parr Todd F. Paul
Completed

Vs. Thomas Schoeck Leif Meineke

6-4 5-7 1-0
 
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Identity

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T10s747 said:
If you look at the NTRP rating's guide, it has nothing to do with how well you strike the ball. It has to do with you ability to hit all shots from all court positions and use strategy as you are rated higher. Many pros cannot hit an assortment of shots. Many cannot use strategy (Ginepre) . But they strike the ball better and move much better than teaching pros. Ergo, NTRP ratings are meaningless.
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A 7.0 player is not defined at his ability to hit all shots. That is where 4.5 ends. Once you move above 4.5, you are dealing with mainly speed and accuracy. Ginepre is a 7.0. He is defined as a world class player, and is above 200 in the world. Even though he is an arrogant devil worshipping ****** that my mAgIC family has laid to rest 4 good. I'm 4.5 the lowest level required to be a teaching pro. I would hope anyone above a 4.5 could strike the ball or move around, or use strategy. Ginepre may not do it as well as Federer. Nadal doesn't use strategy either. NTRP means everything and nothing. There are always going to be exceptions to the rules like a lot of 3.5 players who don't have conventional strokes but get the ball back, which is really all that matters.

For the most part NTRP are dead on and usually fit the player and their station in the tennis world. As well I would never go backwards no matter how bad I got. If I was a 7.0 once, I am 7 for good.
 
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LOBALOT

LOBALOT

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Juniors or college players don't reference look at or even have a NTRP. As someone posted earlier NTRP is an adult (say 25+) tennis thing.

Advanced junior/college players use UTR to identify where they are related to ability and WTN now that the ITA is using this.

If you want to know where a player sits related to being able to play in college look at your UTR for now and compare it to the players on the teams you are interested in.
 
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