The really dumb shot that cost Federer the match - no one is talking about it?

[aprilfool]

10 chars! =D

Grammar **** cheering section. Do you two post from the same room? lolol

 

[BreakPoint]

I didn't say that Federer was a "dumb player". You brought up the fact that Federer is a "dumb player". All I said was:

"Dumb players tend to make dumb shots at key points in big matches - that's the difference between those players and truly great champions. I look forward to the final tomorrow."

P.S. "Yourself" is spelled as one word.

Yes, I knew you were referring to Nadal all along.

 

[heycal]

This was very reminiscent of his 2005 AO loss where he missed the tweener on match point when he could have easily passed Safin with a routine forehand, then went on to lose the match.

Federer missed a between the legs shot on match point, and then lost a match? I missed that one. That must have been embarassing.

 

[Sentinel]

Good day for bumping old threads, is it ??

 

[zagor]

It really shows how amazingly talented Fed is that despite the fact that he's dumb and mentally weak he managed to accomplish so much in the game.

If not for the fact that he lacks brain and balls he'd be sitting on 25 slams by now(atleast).

 

[Povl Carstensen]

Yes, 16 GS and 30 consecutive GS 1/4 finals running is a testament to his flaws.

 

[TJfederer16]

Federer missed a between the legs shot on match point, and then lost a match? I missed that one. That must have been embarassing.

Actually it was pretty much the only thing he could have done at that moment, yes perhaps the more appropriate shot he could have done is lob it up high, but still probably wouldn't have changed anything, he certainly didn't have the time to quickly run back and set up for a routine forehand pass thats for sure, he wasn't too far from actually pulling it off but just went in the top of the net, would have certainly been an extraordinary end to the match if it had gone over.

 

[Sid_Vicious]

Actually it was pretty much the only thing he could have done at that moment, yes perhaps the more appropriate shot he could have done is lob it up high, but still probably wouldn't have changed anything, he certainly didn't have the time to quickly run back and set up for a routine forehand pass thats for sure, he wasn't too far from actually pulling it off but just went in the top of the net, would have certainly been an extraordinary end to the match if it had gone over.

actually, Federer had other options with that shot. Attempting a tweener on a huge point is never justified. Federer ran the lob down and you could see him lag for a second, set up, and then hit the tweener. His immediate release of frustration summed up his regret for trying that shot.

 

[Povl Carstensen]

Attempting a tweener on a huge point is never justified.

But then theres the tweener against Djokovic at USO 2009...

 

[SoBad]

Funny thread to view now - a curious reminder of how many of the hardcore trolls were still utterly delusional even as late as the US Open of September 2010.

 

[SAFINATORZ]

Federer should've won that match. He blew it.. too bad.. hopefully he comes back next year with a VENGEANCE!

 

[stringertom]

The "dumb" shot @ USO'11 was the 40-15 serve with pace to Djok's FH. Down the "T" or wide to the FH w/spin was the serve needed. But he still had one more MP and he hit a great "jammer" that Djok fought off with a mishit. The junk may have been all that was needed to generate Fed's netcord response that, as we all know, didn't stay in court. Deuce, and the "fold" began. It's a game of inches, just like the 'tweener vs Safin, no?

 

[Homeboy Hotel]

Federer has played a lot of silly shots in his time, if sometimes at big moments he wasn't looking to constantly crowd please he'd probably be on 25 slams and be going into 2012 being defending champion in a couple of them...

 

[Povl Carstensen]

Perhaps a bit exaggerated... And is not his love of the spectacular also what makes him great to watch?
For me at least, the joy of tennis is not just winning, but also to pull something of beyond routine.

 

[stringertom]

I agree...he hasn't lost 9 majors due to showboat shots or poor shot selection. The drop shot on set point at RG was not in that category...it was a great try, only mm's off. The Safin 'tweener was again just an inch or so from being the greatest MP shot ever. His two chances in back-to-back USO losses to Djok were when he had chances but they were SF matches. Who knows if he would have gone on to win?

 

[Rob_C]

The "dumb" shot @ USO'11 was the 40-15 serve with pace to Djok's FH. Down the "T" or wide to the FH w/spin was the serve needed. But he still had one more MP and he hit a great "jammer" that Djok fought off with a mishit. The junk may have been all that was needed to generate Fed's netcord response that, as we all know, didn't stay in court. Deuce, and the "fold" began. It's a game of inches, just like the 'tweener vs Safin, no?

I think he missed his spot on that serve. The whole match he'd been hitting aces, unreturnables, or forehand winners off Dkoker's forehand return when he pulled him out wide enough.

I would hope that's what he was going for on that point.

 

[stringertom]

I think he missed his spot on that serve. The whole match he'd been hitting aces, unreturnables, or forehand winners off Dkoker's forehand return when he pulled him out wide enough.

I would hope that's what he was going for on that point.

Possibly so...that's why I put "dumb" in quote marks. I just like the "T" serve bcoz it takes time away from the receiver. There's no way to be anywhere near as aggressive as Djok was with his return off the FH side.

 

[nadalwon2012]

Federer should've won that match. He blew it.. too bad.. hopefully he comes back next year with a VENGEANCE!

He'll come back with the same IQ unfortunately...

 

[merwy]

He'll come back with the same IQ unfortunately...

Please don't start about IQ, Nadal can't even speak more than one language and I'd be surprised if he knows how to write his own name.

 

[nadalwon2012]

Please don't start about IQ, Nadal can't even speak more than one language and I'd be surprised if he knows how to write his own name.

You seriously think Federer is as smart as Nadal? Even after Nadal's autobiography proved to be one of the most deep thinking biographies of all-time? Also you should question how a 'talented' tennis player like Federer in his prime was not able to find tactical solutions for Nadal.....

Federer is almost undefeated vs left-handers outside of Nadal. So maybe it's just that Federer can't figure out how to beat heavy topspin. Sounds like something a 'goat' should be able to figure out. Maybe Federer has lived off his talent more than his brains...

 

[tennis_pro]

You seriously think Federer is as smart as Nadal? Even after Nadal's autobiography proved to be one of the most deep thinking biographies of all-time? Also you should question how a 'talented' tennis player like Federer in his prime was not able to find tactical solutions for Nadal.....

Federer is almost undefeated vs left-handers outside of Nadal. So maybe it's just that Federer can't figure out how to beat heavy topspin. Sounds like something a 'goat' should be able to figure out. Maybe Federer has lived off his talent more than his brains...

Federer went 5-2 on grass/hard courts against Nadal in 2004-2007 and wasn't 100 % in both losses (he was sick in Miami 04 and had a straped ankle in Dubai 06), also beat Nadal on clay in 2007, had match points in another one and took sets in almost every match on clay they played.

Nadal at 24/25 went 0-6 against Djokovic across all surfaces (straight setted on both occasions they faced each other on clay) with bigger pwnage every time. That streak is still on-going I'd like to mention.

So once again

FAIL

You seriously think Federer is as smart as Nadal? Even after Nadal's autobiography proved to be one of the most deep thinking biographies of all-time?

And this is probably the biggest LOLZ I've read in a couple of months. Deep thinking biography? Of all time ? Toni probably wrote the whole thing for him in the first place.

 

[Fate Archer]

You seriously think Federer is as smart as Nadal? Even after Nadal's autobiography proved to be one of the most deep thinking biographies of all-time? Also you should question how a 'talented' tennis player like Federer in his prime was not able to find tactical solutions for Nadal.....

Federer is almost undefeated vs left-handers outside of Nadal. So maybe it's just that Federer can't figure out how to beat heavy topspin. Sounds like something a 'goat' should be able to figure out. Maybe Federer has lived off his talent more than his brains...

LOL what a troll... "one of the most deep thinking biopgraphies of all time"... if that wasn't enough, then we have that it's actually an autobiography, but only that it was co-authored by another guy... :lol: :lol:

How many pages did Rafito contribute in his deep thinking master piece? 5 or so maybe? :lol:

Oh, are we sure it wasn't Uncle Toni who actually co-authored the book with the other guy? After all, it has always been our great [pseudo]sage Uncle Toni who did most of the thinking for Rafito during his whole caree... erm... life. :lol:

 

[nadalwon2012]

"Wasn't 100% in both losses" oh how convincing....

"Toni probably wrote the whole thing for him in the first place" again, staggeringly successful argument....

 

[tennis_pro]

"Wasn't 100% in both losses" oh how convincing....

No, he wasn't. You can watch both matches on youtube, they're available, Federer's issues are well documented unlike Nadal's where he just throws out excuses out of his a...

"Toni probably wrote the whole thing for him in the first place" again, staggeringly successful argument....

Guess it is if you can't think of a good comeback

 

[TheFifthSet]

"Wasn't 100% in both losses" oh how convincing....

"Toni probably wrote the whole thing for him in the first place" again, staggeringly successful argument....

Lol.... all sports autobiographies are ghost-written. These guys aren't writers. And it takes hours a day, months on end, to write a book. You are remarkably deluded if you think Nadal actually wrote the book.

 

[gregor.b]

You seriously think Federer is as smart as Nadal? Even after Nadal's autobiography proved to be one of the most deep thinking biographies of all-time? Also you should question how a 'talented' tennis player like Federer in his prime was not able to find tactical solutions for Nadal.....

Federer is almost undefeated vs left-handers outside of Nadal. So maybe it's just that Federer can't figure out how to beat heavy topspin. Sounds like something a 'goat' should be able to figure out. Maybe Federer has lived off his talent more than his brains...

Nadal wrote exactly what he was told to write. Also,maybe Fed is almost undefeated vs right handers. Looks like Rafa,too, may have found his kryptonite.In Djoko. But,nonetheless, we shall know soon enough.

 

[Smasher08]

The "dumb" shot @ USO'11 was the 40-15 serve with pace to Djok's FH. Down the "T" or wide to the FH w/spin was the serve needed.

Imo the compound error Fed made at 40-15 was to hit a mostly spinless serve at a meagre 108mph straight into Djoker's forehand wheelhouse.

Change any one of those three boo-boos, and there probably would've been a different result.

 

[Smasher08]

Oh, and about how these autobiographies are written: the subject hires a writer who interviews them for dozens and dozens of hours, and then reconstructs the conversations into the form of an autobiography.

It's the writer's job to stay true to their subject's authentic voice.

 

[stringertom]

Imo the compound error Fed made at 40-15 was to hit a mostly spinless serve at a meagre 108mph straight into Djoker's forehand wheelhouse.

Change any one of those three boo-boos, and there probably would've been a different result.

We are agreed...a spinner halfway up the right side service line is the only place for a 2nd-serve-speed on a first delivery. A down-the-T kicker @ 108 or a flat 120 there were better options but hindsight is 20/20. I still like his 40-30 jammer serve. It induced what he was looking for...just failed to correct by the tiniest bit.

 

[Povl Carstensen]

He'll come back with the same IQ unfortunately...

Yes his resume is a testament to his poor tennis-IQ.

 

[decades]

Djokovic was serving at 3-4, 15-30 in the 5th. Djokovic pops up a weak backhand volley crosscourt and close to the net. Ball bounces near net a few feet from Fed's ad-court alley while Federer sprints toward it from the opposite corner of the court.

Federer reached the shot with ease, and I was expecting him to rip a backhand passing shot down the line to set up a double break point that would have been a virtual match point. Djokovic was probably expecting him to do that shot, as he knew he was too close to the net to react to it.

But Federer couldn't help himself. It looked to me like Federer saw an opportunity to try a crowd-thrilling below-the-net around-the-netpost backhand buggy whip hook shot. Would have made Espn highlights if he made it.

Unfortunately, the ball wasn't wide enough for Fed to execute the round-the-netpost shot, and he buried it halfway up the net.

This was very reminiscent of his 2005 AO loss where he missed the tweener on match point when he could have easily passed Safin with a routine forehand, then went on to lose the match.

I'll bet this one is even more painful than the 2005 AO loss though, because his chances are running out.

or. he just missed a shot.

 

[decades]

Federer should've won that match. He blew it.. too bad.. hopefully he comes back next year with a VENGEANCE!

fed did all his damage in 2-3, which makes sense for someone coming up on 31. let's see how rogi does in 3-5.

 

[stringertom]

fed did all his damage in 2-3, which makes sense for someone coming up on 31. let's see how rogi does in 3-5.

The trade-off in majors, when weather doesn't cause delays, is one or more days off between matches. MS1000 schedules, excluding IW and Miami, don't offer the day off between most matches. IMO, the majors are more of a grind because of the extra mental, not physical, pressure.