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G.O.A.T.
Crispy. Nadal like.
Thiem showed some clutch in this match, apart from that 6-5 service gameCrispy. Nadal like.
Sascha played real well at the net today. Unfortunately that also proved why guys don't go to the net anymore.
Roger, Rafa, Sampras, Edberg, whoever. All of them would've been passed by those Thiem forehands. That's my point. It doesn't matter how skilled you are at net when your opponent can hit groundstrokes like that.Honestly the next person that figures out the net game in a serious way will feast on these people
They dont go to the net because they cant volley
The time is now for someone to rattle these people
Roger, Rafa, Sampras, Edberg, whoever. All of them would've been passed by those Thiem forehands. That's my point. It doesn't matter how skilled you are at net when your opponent can hit groundstrokes like that.
Or you don't approach like Roddick. Or Zverev. Or 40-30Roger, Rafa, Sampras, Edberg, whoever. All of them would've been passed by those Thiem forehands. That's my point. It doesn't matter how skilled you are at net when your opponent can hit groundstrokes like that.
You have imagined a situation where anyone would let him hit those forehands
Zverev's approach game was 14 and under clinic level
What makes you think he would pass people like that?
That's ridiculous. He definitely rushed recklessly on a few points, but not here.Zverev's approach game was 14 and under clinic level
This moment will be remembered for the rest of tennis history. Absolute clutch.Crispy. Nadal like.
It really wasn't. Zverev covered the net well for the most part. Best I've ever seen him at the net.You have imagined a situation where anyone would let him hit those forehands
Zverev's approach game was 14 and under clinic level
What makes you think he would pass people like that?
Honestly the next person that figures out the net game in a serious way will feast on these people
They dont go to the net because they cant volley
The time is now for someone to rattle these people
That really isn't saying much if at all but I get your point and I would agree based on what I've seen.It really wasn't. Zverev covered the net well for the most part. Best I've ever seen him at the net.
I'd be okay if we all agreed to just forget this day.This moment will be remembered for the rest of tennis history. Absolute clutch.
This moment will be remembered for the rest of tennis history. Absolute clutch.
Zverev should have won the 2nd point. He covered cross court despite Theim only just getting to the ball. You have to have the line covered when your opponent is that stretched.That's ridiculous. He definitely rushed recklessly on a few points, but not here.
On that 2nd point he hits a great angle BH, drawing Thiem outside the doubles alley and giving himself a perfect opportunity to sneak in. Thiem actually got the ball back really well but Zed managed to bunt it back over the high part of the net pretty well. It took Thiem on the dead run and hitting his FH as hard as he could to win that point. That's not a bad approach, that's just getting outplayed.
On the 3rd point he's already in no-man's land and chose to move forward instead of retreating. I have no problem with that. The forehand could've been a little stronger, but again, it took Thiem ripping it as hard as he could to get it past him.
Based on my very anecdotal evidence, Thiem usually prefers the cross-court pass on the forehand side. Sascha stayed left but looked to be expecting one to his right.Zverev should have won the 2nd point. He covered cross court despite Theim only just getting to the ball. You have to have the line covered when your opponent is that stretched.
You can’t hit cross court unless you can get beyond the ball.Based on my very anecdotal evidence, Thiem usually prefers the cross-court pass on the forehand side. Sascha stayed left but looked to be expecting one to his right.
He definitely could've gone cross court on the 3rd one. 2nd one sure, that would've been real tough.You can’t hit cross court unless you can get beyond the ball.
Lol, yall are a trip. Thiem is literally the 3rd best player on the planet man.
Roger, Rafa, Sampras, Edberg, whoever. All of them would've been passed by those Thiem forehands. That's my point. It doesn't matter how skilled you are at net when your opponent can hit groundstrokes like that.
The approach on the third point was pretty poor, Thiem didn't have to move much to get it and had time since it wasn't especially deep or fast, actually just crossed the service line.
Reminds me (ok, this might beReminds me of those insane shots Rafa hit last year in the final when he was about to be broken in the 5th that somehow barely went in magically.
The 3rd one was definitely a bit Roddick-esque. Coming in on a forehand to forehand exchange just because he's already a step in the court. Not the best play in hindsight.The approach on the third point was pretty poor, Thiem didn't have to move much to get it and had time since it wasn't especially deep or fast, actually just crossed the service line.
Agreed. Third was was an iffy approach that gave Theim options.He definitely could've gone cross court on the 3rd one. 2nd one sure, that would've been real tough.
Indeed. It's not as if Thiem was ripping passes at will all night.Thiem missed plenty of passes. The tour standard of passing shots isn't Nadal-like at all. Regular s&v is of course not an option, but incorporating net play is vital to be able to finish points from advantageous positions without having to paint the lines with groundstrokes. Otherwise, you get drawn into exhausting rallies until somebody misses. See Thiem-Medvedev SF, Thiem kept resetting rallies with slicing but Medvedev wouldn't come forward because his net play is poor. That hurt him a lot because he struggled to outgrind Thiem while Thime had bigger strokes to win extra points.
It really wasn't. Zverev covered the net well for the most part. Best I've ever seen him at the net.
That trifecta of forehands were out of this world.
Thiem showed some clutch in this match, apart from that 6-5 service game
Tim and Zverev were both cramping at the end. For those not watching, Tim had his leg worked on before that last service game.Thiem showed some clutch in this match, apart from that 6-5 service game
Both players were cramping at the end of the match so it's hard to label any of it choking especially when Zverev couldn't even hit a first serve. Now if you want to call their cramping choking well I'm all ears.He choked in the TB on matchpoint too.
Happy he won though, glad he finally got his slam.
The TTW sharks are never satisfied, man. If you're not an ATG, you're basically trash for them. Murray, who is borderline ATG, is probably the most mocked player ever on here. Even Nadal endured so much hate on this site for many years. I remember people mocking Djokovic before his 2011 run as a washed up one-slam wonder.Both players were cramping at the end of the match so it's hard to label any of it choking especially when Zverev couldn't even hit a first serve. Now if you want to call their cramping choking well I'm all ears.
Both players were cramping at the end of the match so it's hard to label any of it choking especially when Zverev couldn't even hit a first serve. Now if you want to call their cramping choking well I'm all ears.
I watched the entire 5th set today, thanks to hotstar(as I missed the final itself) and I can safely state that Thiem was playing at 50% of what he's capable of. He was definately compromisedTim and Zverev were both cramping at the end. For those not watching, Tim had his leg worked on before that last service game.
Ironically or perhaps because of these three great forehands Tim cramped, Or was he forced to hit these knowing that the cramps were coming on?
Says the guy who kept on saying how Fed at AO 2008 wasn't facing Roddick anymore, but DjokovicThe TTW sharks are never satisfied, man. If you're not an ATG, you're basically trash for them.
What’s the contradiction?Says the guy who kept on saying how Fed at AO 2008 wasn't facing Roddick anymore, but Djokovic
And really the only explanation for him being this compromised is nerves causing the cramping. Zedly had a lot of longer matches this tournament but they may not of been that bad because his semifinal five sets was actually easier for him than tim's victory over Medvedev. They both may have been cramping due to the tension of the moment, in fact I don't know how anyone can conclude otherwise.I watched the entire 5th set today, thanks to hotstar(as I missed the final itself) and I can safely state that Thiem was playing at 50% of what he's capable of. He was definately compromised
Well for some of the glass is half empty. I saw a player cramping pulling off a lot of very good shots I am let's not forget Zverev was cramping in the final tiebreaker and could not hit a first serve. Zverev is cramping could've been conditioning but I think Tim's was brought on by a heightened state of nerves during the entire match.Thiem up 6-4 tiebreak, hit a massive (prob close to 100 mph) inside out fh, got a short sitter forehand and hit it straight into the net. Had nothing to do with cramping (except between the ears).