To non-push/pull weavers, what's your technique?

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pvaudio

Legend
I do not push/pull weave because of sweaty hands, and still can do a frame sub 20 minutes without rushing at all. I use what I call a modified sewing motion that I developed myself. Made a video of what I'm talking about. I'm stringing my frame which is a Dunlop 4D200T with gut mains, poly crosses. This was done in just over 20mins including fooling with the camera. I won't ever get to that 15 minute range, but no need to! :)

I guess as always, any critiques are welcome, but I'm pretty satisfied with my results and haven't had a complaint yet! :)

http://youtu.be/D5_yivwHddc

The stringbed shot at the end is just to show that straightening strings as you go does indeed save a huge amount of time as you don't need to do anything but touch ups at the end, AND you get more proper tensioning that way. But alas, I will let the string gurus who taught me how to string in the first place take over from here. :)
 
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SOY78

SOY78

Professional
I think you can get to that 15 minute range if you hold the end of the string in your hand while tensioning so that you don't have to look for the end of the string to get the next weave...
 
mikeler

mikeler

Moderator
SOY78 said:
I think you can get to that 15 minute range if you hold the end of the string in your hand while tensioning so that you don't have to look for the end of the string to get the next weave...
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That's where I lose a ton of time looking for that darn end. I need a little utility belt that holds it for me. :)
 
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rufusbgood

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SOY78 said:
I think you can get to that 15 minute range if you hold the end of the string in your hand while tensioning so that you don't have to look for the end of the string to get the next weave...
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The end of the string is right where he wants it while he is tensioning, it's hanging about a foot outside the frame. If he wants to eliminate searching for the string end he should hold onto it with one hand while he is pulling and feathering the string.
 
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pvaudio

Legend
^^^ I think that's what he meant. When I weave one-ahead, I don't pull the string through. That's what you're referring to, I suspect. It seems the technique is to hold onto the end of the string with one hand, pull with that hand, and as feathering, keep pulling the string through next to the frame. In other words, hold the tip between my thumb and index finger and grasp the rest of the string to pull it through progressively like I do now. I'll try that tonight.
 
coachrick

coachrick

Hall of Fame
fortun8son said:
I always lose the tip, too. Slows me down, but don't you need a third hand? At least with a crank?
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Up&comer said:
All kidding aside, you are a genius.
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There's a tip :) from the old days recommending that you tuck the string tip under the band of your watch.

You young guys know what a watch is? It's that wrist apparatus that we geezers use to tell time--without taking out our cell phones ;)
 
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newton296

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pvaudio said:
I do not push/pull weave because of sweaty hands, and still can do a frame sub 20 minutes without rushing at all. I use what I call a modified sewing motion that I developed myself. Made a video of what I'm talking about. I'm stringing my frame which is a Dunlop 4D200T with gut mains, poly crosses. This was done in just over 20mins including fooling with the camera. I won't ever get to that 15 minute range, but no need to! :)

I guess as always, any critiques are welcome, but I'm pretty satisfied with my results and haven't had a complaint yet! :)

http://youtu.be/D5_yivwHddc

The stringbed shot at the end is just to show that straightening strings as you go does indeed save a huge amount of time as you don't need to do anything but touch ups at the end, AND you get more proper tensioning that way. But alas, I will let the string gurus who taught me how to string in the first place take over from here. :)
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I think the bigger issue here is why are you hands so sweaty when your stringing?

you may a known condition called hyperhidrosis. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0004518/

I know from experience that sweaty hands can cause alot of emotional pain and frustration at the worst of times. for example, not even being able to hold hands with your girlfriend. (brutal) you gotta treat it!

the good news is it is very treatable! what worked best for me was iontopherisis! This FDA-approved procedure uses electricity to temporarily turn off the sweat gland. It is most effective for sweating of the hands and feet. The hands or feet are placed into water, and then a gentle current of electricity is passed through it. The electricity is gradually increased until the patient feels a light tingling sensation. The therapy lasts about 10-20 minutes and requires several sessions. Side effects include skin cracking and blisters, although rare.

I started doing this in 2004 and its worked ever since! I did have to pay about 600$ for a unit that worked. (I got the fisher galvanic unit model # md-1a .) don't cheap out and get a battery operated unit! they just don't work.



if you gotta alot of bucks just get surgery. they simply clip the sweat nerves to your hand and presto! hands never sweat again!
 
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Masamusou

Semi-Pro
Not really sure how to describe my weaving honestly. It's a bit of a hybrid weave. I know that everyone that sees me weave thinks it's a bit strange, but it's almost like pulling with the bottom hand and pushing with the top hand. I just know that it's very quick, especially for textured poly. If I can find a few racquets to string I'll try to get a quick video even though it won't be great quality.
 
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pvaudio

Legend
newton296 said:
I think the bigger issue here is why are you hands so sweaty when your stringing?

you may a known condition called hyperhidrosis. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0004518/

I know from experience that sweaty hands can cause alot of emotional pain and frustration at the worst of times. for example, not even being able to hold hands with your girlfriend. (brutal) you gotta treat it!

the good news is it is very treatable! what worked best for me was iontopherisis! This FDA-approved procedure uses electricity to temporarily turn off the sweat gland. It is most effective for sweating of the hands and feet. The hands or feet are placed into water, and then a gentle current of electricity is passed through it. The electricity is gradually increased until the patient feels a light tingling sensation. The therapy lasts about 10-20 minutes and requires several sessions. Side effects include skin cracking and blisters, although rare.

I started doing this in 2004 and its worked ever since! I did have to pay about 600$ for a unit that worked. (I got the fisher galvanic unit model # md-1a .) don't cheap out and get a battery operated unit! they just don't work.



if you gotta alot of bucks just get surgery. they simply clip the sweat nerves to your hand and presto! hands never sweat again!
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I do have hyperhidrosis and have had it since I was a teenager. Take glycopyrrolate every day. :)
 
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pvaudio

Legend
Masamusou said:
Not really sure how to describe my weaving honestly. It's a bit of a hybrid weave. I know that everyone that sees me weave thinks it's a bit strange, but it's almost like pulling with the bottom hand and pushing with the top hand. I just know that it's very quick, especially for textured poly. If I can find a few racquets to string I'll try to get a quick video even though it won't be great quality.
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Interesting, I'm curious to see what this looks like :)
 
nalvarado

nalvarado

Semi-Pro
coachrick said:
There's a tip :) from the old days recommending that you tuck the string tip under the band of your watch.

You young guys know what a watch is? It's that wrist apparatus that we geezers use to tell time--without taking out our cell phones ;)
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I usually string with one of my playbrave wristbands.
 
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pvaudio

Legend
And I tried that technique of trying to hold the end. You guys got me my fastest time yet (on my fiancee's racquet even, but with full Maxim Touch) at 17:51. :)
 
mikeler

mikeler

Moderator
pvaudio said:
And I tried that technique of trying to hold the end. You guys got me my fastest time yet (on my fiancee's racquet even, but with full Maxim Touch) at 17:51. :)
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I also did the hold the tip on the crosses trick today and I finished the Whisper Touch gut you sent me in about 45 minutes. Was taking my time with the gut but that is a good time for me. I like that wristband idea but a Batman style utility belt would be cool. I could market it and get about 12 people to buy it.
 
nalvarado

nalvarado

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mikeler said:
I also did the hold the tip on the crosses trick today and I finished the Whisper Touch gut you sent me in about 45 minutes. Was taking my time with the gut but that is a good time for me. I like that wristband idea but a Batman style utility belt would be cool. I could market it and get about 12 people to buy it.
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One downside to the wristband method is repeatedly stabbing yourself with sharp poly:oops:
 
Irvin

Irvin

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Weave one ahead and pull the string through with a loop lar enough to reach the tensioner so you can tension the next string. This makes for less damage to the string going through the mains. Place the tip of hte string in the next grommet hole and maybe one or two mains and you are ready for the next string with the tip right where it needs to be. This way you have both hands free and the end of the string off the floor.

But if you are not that much into speed let the tip fall where it may. Then when you find the end of the string you take all the curling out of the string which is a good thing. What do you save anyway 10 seconds per cross maybe 3 minutes a racket at most. But 3 minutes is 3 minutes. A stressed string will kink faster and may prematurely break and you will get more buniness. Unless of course they go somewhere else.
 
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Up&comer

Up&comer

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mikeler said:
I also did the hold the tip on the crosses trick today and I finished the Whisper Touch gut you sent me in about 45 minutes. Was taking my time with the gut but that is a good time for me. I like that wristband idea but a Batman style utility belt would be cool. I could market it and get about 12 people to buy it.
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You could have all different slots to hold all the different gauges and kinds of string. I'd buy one.
 
mikeler

mikeler

Moderator
Irvin said:
'mikeler' he said he would buy ONE. Questions are was he serious and will he be true to his word? Don't spend too much time and money on your prototype and marketing.
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He never asked for the price which of course is 10 million.
 
diredesire

diredesire

Adjunct Moderator
SOY78 said:
I think you can get to that 15 minute range if you hold the end of the string in your hand while tensioning so that you don't have to look for the end of the string to get the next weave...
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This was my first thought. I posted on his video without looking at the comments of the thread first :oops:

mikeler said:
That's where I lose a ton of time looking for that darn end. I need a little utility belt that holds it for me. :)
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Sounds gross, but I use my mouth (sometimes). Otherwise I curl it up in my dominant hand pinky/ring finger
 
mikeler

mikeler

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diredesire said:
This was my first thought. I posted on his video without looking at the comments of the thread first :oops:



Sounds gross, but I use my mouth (sometimes). Otherwise I curl it up in my dominant hand pinky/ring finger
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Guess the mouth technique is not that bad. The end of the string will get trimmed anyways and discarded.
 
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pvaudio

Legend
diredesire said:
This was my first thought. I posted on his video without looking at the comments of the thread first :oops:



Sounds gross, but I use my mouth (sometimes). Otherwise I curl it up in my dominant hand pinky/ring finger
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Indeed, I saw that comment. It does work! :)
 
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