Top 10 in the 1960-1972

[Flash O'Groove]

Hi,

I remember some thread which listed some top-10 for the early open era and the pro tour of the 60's, but I can't find it back. I would be very interested if someone recall this thread or if the old guys can give inputs on who were top 10 players from 1960-1972.

 

[urban]

A Rumanian expert (maybe he is posting here) has put together a computer ranking along the ATP Computer ranking lines (which started in 1973) for the years 1968-1972 on another Forum, with a weekly rolling system. Someone has given the links, I don't have them at the moment. For the years before ranking is difficult due to split circuits. The amateur ranking was made by newspapers, most notably by Lance Tingay. Bud Collins has them in his Encyclopedias. The pro ranking was unoffically. A combined ranking is pure speculative.

 

[Flash O'Groove]

A Rumanian expert (maybe he is posting here) has put together a computer ranking along the ATP Computer ranking lines (which started in 1973) for the years 1968-1972 on another Forum, with a weekly rolling system. Someone has given the links, I don't have them at the moment. For the years before ranking is difficult due to split circuits. The amateur ranking was made by newspapers, most notably by Lance Tingay. Bud Collins has them in his Encyclopedias. The pro ranking was unoffically. A combined ranking is pure speculative.

Actually I'm interested in speculation. I think it may be very difficult to order the players for each year but identifying players who should be in the discussion for top 10 players, I think we can find some kind of consensus, even on this place!

I would be very interested in the romanian ranking if you find it.

 

[urban]

Go to the thread on p. 9 of this Forum section, by timnz "Was Nastase Nr. 1 for all of 1973". There on posts Nr. 12 ff. are links to those databases.

 

[Slasher1985]

You can start from my onedrive public section

http://1drv.ms/1xzcFxX

You will find there all the files for 1968-1972. To mention that the ranking system used is the same as the official ATP ranking system of 1973. The tournament categories were chosen with the help of elegos7 which I warmly thank.

The official rankings from 2012 onwards is also there. Produced when I started my live rankings project.

 

[urban]

This is excellent work, Slasher. Congratulations! I have discussed in the cited thread here with elegos already some minor details, on which tournaments could be included in 1968 for instance. But overall, this is great work.

 

[Slasher1985]

Yeah I know about it don't worry. For now the 1973-78 project took priority but I will get back there.

 

[DMP]

Of the top of my head, here are the names in the frame:

Gonzales
Hoad
Rosewall
Gimeno
Olmedo?
Segura?
Laver
Fraser
Stolle
Pietrangeli
Santana
Emerson
Newcombe
Roche
Ashe

I am not sure how much Olmedo and Segura achieved in the 60s as opposed to the 50s.
Ashe is at the latter end of the 60s. The top group are Gonzales, Rosewall, Laver, Emerson, maybe Gimeno and Dan L will make the case for the position of Hoad.

 

[hoodjem]

Of the top of my head, here are the names in the frame:

Gonzales
Hoad
Rosewall
Gimeno
Olmedo?
Segura?
Laver
Fraser
Stolle
Pietrangeli
Santana
Emerson
Newcombe
Roche
Ashe

I am not sure how much Olmedo and Segura achieved in the 60s as opposed to the 50s.
Ashe is at the latter end of the 60s. The top group are Gonzales, Rosewall, Laver, Emerson, maybe Gimeno and Dan L will make the case for the position of Hoad.

Don't forget Kodes, or Kiki will make the case. :wink:

 

[DMP]

Don't forget Kodes, or Kiki will make the case. :wink:

Oops!

I also forgot Sampras and Federer. Posters like 90s Clay and TMF are probably convinced they should be the top of this list too!

 

[Tennisknowledge99]

You can start from my onedrive public section

http://1drv.ms/1xzcFxX

You will find there all the files for 1968-1972. To mention that the ranking system used is the same as the official ATP ranking system of 1973. The tournament categories were chosen with the help of elegos7 which I warmly thank.

The official rankings from 2012 onwards is also there. Produced when I started my live rankings project.

The posting style is very similar to Slash in MTF . I'm glad you're here, mate.

 

[pc1]

Don't forget Kodes, or Kiki will make the case. :wink:

Kodes occupies the full list of the top ten players. No other one deserves to be on the list.

Guys like this Laver and Gonzalez, pathetic compared to Kodes.

 

[pc1]

Actually just for fun I'll name a top ten list for the period, taking into account the strength of the Old Pro Tour.

Laver
Gonzalez
Rosewall
Gimeno
Newcombe
Emerson
Ashe
Santana
Roche
Smith

Also perhaps
Okker
Ralston
Drysdale
Fraser
Mulligan
Buchholz

 

[DMP]

Actually just for fun I'll name a top ten list for the period, taking into account the strength of the Old Pro Tour.

Laver
Gonzalez
Rosewall
Gimeno
Newcombe
Emerson
Ashe
Santana
Roche
Smith

No 1 is easy - it is clearly Laver. Without thinking too hard I put Gonzales and Rosewall equal 2 for the decade. That is also easy. Then it is a question of Gimeno, Emerson and Newcombe. My inclination is that Emerson is 4 for the decade. I am (genuinely) interested why Gimeno and Newcombe should be ahead of him.

EDIT: I have a nagging feeling Hoad should be in the discussion as well, but I can't remember when his back started to reduce his game.

Also perhaps
Okker
Ralston
Drysdale
Fraser
Mulligan
Buchholz

No love for McKinley? I remember watching him bounce around Wimbledon long before Becker was throwing himself around.

 

[pc1]

No 1 is easy - it is clearly Laver. Without thinking too hard I put Gonzales and Rosewall equal 2 for the decade. That is also easy. Then it is a question of Gimeno, Emerson and Newcombe. My inclination is that Emerson is 4 for the decade. I am (genuinely) interested why Gimeno and Newcombe should be ahead of him.

EDIT: I have a nagging feeling Hoad should be in the discussion as well, but I can't remember when his back started to reduce his game.



No love for McKinley? I remember watching him bounce around Wimbledon long before Becker was throwing himself around.

The list was in no particular order. I'd have to look at more carefully before I would decide a possible order.

Hoad, if you examine a peak level, even in the 1960's would have to be a consideration especially when you think of the way he handled Laver in 1963 when Laver was a Pro Rookie. McKinley is a possibility. Just slipped my mind. I once forgot about Agassi when I considered the greatest returners.

 

[kiki]

Kodes occupies the full list of the top ten players. No other one deserves to be on the list.

Guys like this Laver and Gonzalez, pathetic compared to Kodes.

Ask John Newcombe if he would include Kodes or not

 

[kiki]

the first half of the 60´is a three way race between Gonzales,Rosewall and Hoad (1960-1964)
The second half, belongs entirely to Laver ( 1965-1969)

1970´s is another decade