Back before 2010 28 was post peak. Over the past decade science in sport has improved massively allowing players to play much longer in all sports. Lockdown enabled me to watch old matches. I had forgotten how amazing peak Federer was. I had forgotten how unreal Nadal was as well. Both shadows of of what they were. It is why i do not rate Medvedev. Last year he should have taken Nadal to the cleaners in 5th set. Fact he ran out of gas is tragic at his age.
Of course but medicine hasn't magically helped nadal and djokovic but not federer. He is still playing and reaching grand slam finals at 39.
How are people doing this? Australian Open was not a big Major until the 21st Century really so the past generations are at a disadvantage Major wise as they only really cared about 3 Majors as opposed to 4. I would be interested what the Major count is for all players across the oldest 3 Majors.
I do not think Nadal and Djokovic are anywhere near their best days. Djokovic 2011 would not have struggled like yesterday physically.
Where is Becker? Guess you not a Nadal fan lol.
Of course they aren't but you can't delete somebody's losses because they're old, i'm still refering to that win loss ratio in the finals of slams, of course. Also, your list seems a bit biased, with becker better than agassi, connors, lendl and mcenroe. I don't think anyone here would agree with that. But as i said, it is all subjective so let's agree to disagree.
Becker somewhere in the mix with Edberg and Newcombe, I suppose. Beyond that I don't consider them ATG's. (Even though we can debate between Murray, Courier, and Vilas for days)
Really? I have Becker and Courier as ATGs for sure. Both unlucky to have Sampras at his peak to deal with
Becker remember had an awful lot of pressure off court to deal with . People forget that. He was one of only a select few to transcend the sport.Of course they aren't but you can't delete somebody's losses because they're old, i'm still refering to that win loss ratio in the finals of slams, of course. Also, your list seems a bit biased, with becker better than agassi, connors, lendl and mcenroe. I don't think anyone here would agree with that. But as i said, it is all subjective so let's agree to disagree.
Courier to me is right at the borderline. Anything above him and Murray is ATG material, anything below is not.
Courier v Murray? Who have u got as better?
I think I've answered both ways before on TTW. It's virtually a tie but I'd go with Murray by a hair. The Olympic record sets him slightly above.
Well, a lot of players have had a lot of pressure off court. I, personally, wouldn't put it as a meaningful fact for an all time great list placing. Also, i'm not sure what you mean when you say he "transcended" the sport because you can say that for any ATG. Still, i respect your opinion.
Becker was big in every country. Only Borg, Nadal and Federer and Agassi have had that kind of adulation, and perhaps Mcenroe. Connors for me was better than Mcenroe but he did not transcend the sport like Mcenroe did.
Yeah think id agree plus he got Wimbledon the biggest Major. Preferred courier though as a player. Loved that off FH. Funnily enough Djokovic seems to have developed that shot more in his armoury this year.
Oh, so you're taking popularity as an important factor on how good a tennis player is?
My thoughts too. Aside from the Slams, he leads Nadal in most other categories. But a two-Slam deficit is a little much. A one-Slam deficit, on the other hand...
Not going to lie, there is some recency bias, but I feel like becker and edberg just took the game to new heights.
Laver at 1 and Rosewall at 3? A bit much from the old days.
Not popularity as such but putting the sport to a wider audience. I do feel its important. Personal opinion though. I suppose though by that logic Federer needs to replace Nadal at the top of my list. They are interchangeable anyway i suppose depending on mood.
Somewhere around 28-32 everyone starts the aging process.
Of course, the players have to use the same equipment. You don't compare the jumbo racquets of today with the wood racquets of pre-2000.
You have Borg and Connors, who used wood...no reason not to include Laver.
I never saw him. Plenty who have say he is GOAT. As i have not seen him i cannot comment.
Actually, I give no credibility to a ranking where the person choosing has not played against the listed players.
Yes the players are best judges. Agassi Sharapova have openly stated Nadal as GOAT which does colour ones opinion, especially agassi view as he played all of big three i think
Murray doesn't even make a top 20 list? Oof!
