Tournaments defended by the big 3

[Djokovic2011]

After winning Rome on Sunday, Djokovic has now defended 10 titles at minimum 500 level - AO, Dubai, IW, Miami, Rome, Toronto, Beijing, Shanghai, Paris and WTF.

Federer has, I believe, also defended 10 titles - AO, Dubai, IW, Miami, Hamburg, Wimbledon, Cinci, USO, Basel and WTF.

Nadal has defended 5 titles - MC, Barcelona, Madrid, Rome and RG.

What do you make of these stats? Personally I think it's pretty impressive that Nole, despite spending five less years on tour than Roger, has already defended as many 500+ level tournaments but I know there are some that don't think defending tournaments is that big a deal. Anyway just thought I'd throw these numbers out there and please correct me if I've left anything out. :smile:

 

[Inanimate_object]

Why is defending a tournament so important? If Djokovic wins a tournament twice in three years but not twice in a row, is his accomplishment worth less?

 

[jm1980]

Djokovic finally defended a title outside of HC

 

[G A S]

Why is defending a tournament so important? If Djokovic wins a tournament twice in three years but not twice in a row, is his accomplishment worth less?

I have heard many players saying that the most difficult is not to win a tournament, but to defend it the next year.

 

[powerangle]

It's one of those special "interesting" stats, is all. Very cool that Novak and Roger have defended 10 different tournament titles each.

Also interesting is that Nadal never defended off of clay, which of course I'm sure most already knew.

 

[Djokodal Fan]

Just shows that Nadal cannot defend outside clay.

What am I not surprised?

BTW Nadal is not Big3, he is ranked #7

 

[ollinger]

Defending a tournament just means you find the conditions favorable (stadium, courts, hotel, restaurant, ladies....) which may make it less impressive than winning at a larger number of venues. Yeah, I think it's one of those wonk things that doesn't mean a great deal.

 

[NatF]

Federer has defended 3/4 slams - just sayin

 

[Djokovic2011]

Federer has defended 3/4 slams - just sayin

You've truly shocked me mate. I can honestly say I wasn't expecting any Fed fan to bring that up!! :wink:

 

[NatF]

You've truly shocked me mate. I can honestly say I wasn't expecting any Fed fan to bring that up!! :wink:

If I really wanted to shock you I'd point out he's done on all surfaces AND indoors

Novak will get his chance to do the same this summer.

 

[Djokovic2011]

If I really wanted to shock you I'd point out he's done on all surfaces AND indoors

Novak will get his chance to do the same this summer.

OMG if Novak were to win Wimbledon it will be party central chez moi lol.

 

[veroniquem]

I don't think defending is such a big deal but all 3 have their pet tournaments

Novak:

5 titles: AO, Miami, Beijing
4 titles: Dubai, IW, Rome, WTF
3 titles: Paris indoor, Canada

Roger:

7 titles: Dubai, Halle, Wimbledon
6 titles: WTF, Cincy, Basel
5 titles: USO
4 titles: AO, IW, Hamburg
3 titles: Doha

Rafa:

9 titles: RG
8 titles: Barcelona, M-C
7 titles: Rome
3 titles: IW, Madrid (clay), Canada

So Fed has 11 (3 titles +), Djoko 9 and Nadal 7

Looking at this, it's easy to tell that Fed is a fast surface specialist (grass and fast hard) and Rafa a clay specialist.

You can also tell Fed is a slam beast. 3 slams in there vs only 1 for Nadal/Djoko!
I hope 1 of Nadal/Djoko will win an extra Wimbledon to add to the list and Nadal could win an extra USO too

 

[NatF]

OMG if Novak were to win Wimbledon it will be party central chez moi lol.

He'd have as many Wimbledons as his coach...

 

[G A S]

Defending a tournament just means you find the conditions favorable (stadium, courts, hotel, restaurant, ladies....) which may make it less impressive than winning at a larger number of venues. Yeah, I think it's one of those wonk things that doesn't mean a great deal.

with the exhausting conditions of the game, a winning streak is memorable.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Thanks for the stats as always vero. So if Nole wins Wimbledon, Shanghai and Paris again this year he'll have won more tournaments at least three times than even Fed. WOW! :smile:

 

[veroniquem]

However Fed and Djoko have the same # of tier 1 at 3 titles +: 7.
Nadal has 6.

 

[RF-18]

Djokovic defended a title on clay for the first time on sunday. Nadal has yet managed to defend a title outside clay. Novak can also defend wimbledon as mentioned above.

 

[G A S]

Thanks for the stats as always vero. So if Nole wins Wimbledon, Shanghai and Paris again this year he'll have won more tournaments at least three times than even Fed. WOW! :smile:

novak can keep decreasing the gap, he is younger after all.

 

[veroniquem]

Thanks for the stats as always vero. So if Nole wins Wimbledon, Shanghai and Paris again this year he'll have won more tournaments at least three times than even Fed. WOW! :smile:

Yes and I'm sure he will. Don't forget he's 6 years younger than Fed. It leaves him a lot of time to outdo Fed's stats (although weeks at #1 and slam titles total are probably out of reach). He already did it in masters!

ETA: he already has 3 Paris titles. Events that he could win for a 3rd time this year (or later) are Wimbledon and Shanghai. So he could tie Fed at least.
Events that Rafa could win for a 3rd time are W, USO and Stuttgart

 

[merwy]

I have heard many players saying that the most difficult is not to win a tournament, but to defend it the next year.

Well maybe because the odds of winning a random tournament are much higher than winning the exact same tournament you won last year.

I guess it's kinda cool to "defend" your own tournament, but looking at it rationally, I can't say it's that much of an important achievement.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Yes and I'm sure he will. Don't forget he's 6 years younger than Fed. It leaves him a lot of time to outdo Fed's stats (although weeks at #1 and slam titles total are probably out of reach). He already did it in masters!

ETA: he already has 3 Paris titles. Events that he could win for a 3rd time this year (or later) are Wimbledon and Shanghai. So he could tie Fed at least.

Ah yes, I forgot for a moment that Nole's already won Paris 3 times.

 

[G A S]

Yes and I'm sure he will. Don't forget he's 6 years younger than Fed. It leaves him a lot of time to outdo Fed's stats (although weeks at #1 and slam titles total are probably out of reach). He already did it in masters!

ETA: he already has 3 Paris titles. Events that he could win for a 3rd time this year (or later) are Wimbledon and Shanghai. So he could tie Fed at least.
Events that Rafa could win for a 3rd time are W, USO and Stuttgart

about the number of slams, if novak became consistent, like 3 per year, then he could tie, but it is stretching quite a bit.

 

[Steve0904]

It's a cool stat even if it's not the most important.

To expand on the OP here are the number of times the big 3 have defended each title.

Federer:

AO: 1 time
Dubai: 3 times
IW: 2 times
Miami: 1 time
Hamburg: 1 time
Wimbledon: 4 times
Cincinnati: 1 time
USO: 4 times
Basel: 3 times
WTF: 3 times
23 total defenses

Djokovic:

AO: 2 times
Dubai: 2 times
IW: 1 time
Miami: 2 times
Rome: 1 time
Canada: 1 time
Beijing: 3 times
Shanghai: 1 time
Paris: 2 times
WTF: 2 times
17 total defenses

Nadal:

MC: 7 times
Barcelona: 6 times
Madrid: 1 time
Rome: 4 times
RG: 7 times
25 total defenses

As you can see, Nadal has the highest total even though it's only 5 tournaments because of his dominance on clay.

 

[tennisaddict]

Djokovic has not defended a single major other than AO ?

 

[G A S]

Djokovic has not defended a single major other than AO ?

technically djokovic did not defend AO this year, he had to take the title from stan that was defending it. I know stan does not give the aura that he will defend a grand slam title, but still, haha.

 

[GabeT]

Djokovic has not defended a single major other than AO ?

Nadal also defended only one major. Not an easy thing to do. Nole could make that two by winning Wimbledon this year.

 

[chjtennis]

Djokovic is the undisputed king of Masters 1000. He will set a lot of records regarding Masters 1000. However, we should consider the current format started in mid-2000s. Had this systems been used since the beginning of Open Era, I'm sure there are many records set by former greats.

 

[spinovic]

Why is defending a tournament so important? If Djokovic wins a tournament twice in three years but not twice in a row, is his accomplishment worth less?

I agree. Don't get the fascination with 'defending' titles on this board. A title is a title. If Djokovic wins Rotterdam, IW, MC, Canada, Beijing, and Shanghai this year and wins Dubai, Miami, Rome, Cincy, Basel and Paris the next is that bad because they're different events?

 

[NEW_BORN]

OP, Federer has also defended Vienna (2002-2003), back when it was still a 500 tournament. So he should have 11 in total

 

[G A S]

I agree. Don't get the fascination with 'defending' titles on this board. A title is a title. If Djokovic wins Rotterdam, IW, MC, Canada, Beijing, and Shanghai this year and wins Dubai, Miami, Rome, Cincy, Basel and Paris the next is that bad because they're different events?

it the aversion of loss that is at stake here, human being have a high aversion of loss.

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

It's a cool stat even if it's not the most important.

To expand on the OP here are the number of times the big 3 have defended each title.

Federer:

AO: 1 time
Dubai: 3 times
IW: 2 times
Miami: 1 time
Hamburg: 1 time
Wimbledon: 4 times
Cincinnati: 1 time
USO: 4 times
Basel: 3 times
WTF: 3 times
23 total defenses

Djokovic:

AO: 2 times
Dubai: 2 times
IW: 1 time
Miami: 2 times
Rome: 1 time
Canada: 1 time
Beijing: 3 times
Shanghai: 1 time
Paris: 2 times
WTF: 2 times
17 total defenses

Nadal:

MC: 7 times
Barcelona: 6 times
Madrid: 1 time
Rome: 4 times
RG: 7 times
25 total defenses

As you can see, Nadal has the highest total even though it's only 5 tournaments because of his dominance on clay.

why shouldn't we count all the ATP titles, including the 250 ?
for federer, there's also vienna [2002-2003], bangkok [2004-2005], doha [2005-2006] and halle [multiple times].

 

[ArcspacE]

with the exhausting conditions of the game, a winning streak is memorable.

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[tennis_pro]

Just shows that Nadal cannot defend outside clay.

What am I not surprised?

BTW Nadal is not Big3, he is ranked #7

He's a part of the Big 7 now.

 

[Djokovic2011]

OP, Federer has also defended Vienna (2002-2003), back when it was still a 500 tournament. So he should have 11 in total

Thanks. I suspected there'd be a tournament from the early part of his career that I'd forget about. I'm surprised vero didn't point it out to me. :wink:

 

[veroniquem]

Thanks. I suspected there'd be a tournament from the early part of his career that I'd forget about. I'm surprised vero didn't point it out to me. :wink:

Hey, am I supposed to know everything?

I was more interested in tournaments the top 3 have won the most often, that's why.
I don't really see defending as a big deal if a player will win an event only twice anyway. Who cares if it was consecutive times or not? Maybe some people do but personally, I don't.

 

[Steve0904]

why shouldn't we count all the ATP titles, including the 250 ?
for federer, there's also vienna [2002-2003], bangkok [2004-2005], doha [2005-2006] and halle [multiple times].

We can. The OP specified 500 and above, but if we count 250's then the totals become 14 tournaments defended for Federer, and 30 total defenses.

 

[G A S]

Hey, am I supposed to know everything?

I was more interested in tournaments the top 3 have won the most often, that's why.
I don't really see defending as a big deal if a player will win an event only twice anyway. Who cares if it was consecutive times or not? Maybe some people do but personally, I don't.

what about nadal consecutive roland garros? it is because it is consecutive that djokovic is so eager to win this year, ahaha