Tsitsipas vs Rothenberg press
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Rebel-I.N.S
Hall of Fame
Regardless, that seemed to be Tsistipas’ intent and it flopped. He’s now definitely trying to play “whatboutery”.
The majority of the tour are on Murray’s side on this:
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P. Toilet Break
1) A player may be permitted to leave the court for a toilet break. A player is entitled
to one (1) toilet break during a best of three set match and two (2) toilet breaks
during a best of five set match. Toilet breaks should be taken on a set break and
can be used for no other purpose.
a) For doubles, each team is entitlHe's using up his entitlements. At least he reads the rules and follows it. A bit like using up your challenges? A player is entitled to challenge the call - would you say he/she is abusing it if used excessively?
joshuadearing
Rookie
Sloan is a goddess; she calls it right.
First off the women can't just change their shirt in front of the whole crowd like the men do; they should be afforded MUCH more time to do what they need to do. They have time of the month issues and more actual clothing in some cases.
He also said about time between points and how players abuse them but he does not. But he focuses on himself. Right attitude.
Wurm
Professional
I've got video of the full match and it's less than two minutes. Also, Novak went off the court too, albeit after Murray and doesn't take much, if any, longer than Murray. Once Novak returns they go straight back into play.
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
You claimed that the poster was commiting libel by expressing his opinion regarding the published allegations of a public figure. That is not libelous. There is a stricter libel standard applied for public figures.
Every American is protected by the First Amendment.
A German court has no standing to restrict the free speech rights of citizens here!
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Reilly Opelka would like to disagree.
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“Yeah, I think it’s ridiculous. Like, I understand it’s getting press because tennis is lame and tennis media sucks and they’re terrible. But I think, Stefanos Tsitsipas – whatever,” said Opelka.
“It’s hot and humid, and for the media, the press that have never stepped foot an a tennis court in their life, have never been in the environment – couldn’t last 30 minutes out in this humidity, in this heat.
“It’s physical, our sport is. My shoes are dripping, they’re leaking sweat. To change or to go after, you know, two sets – we’re drinking, we’re hydrating a lot, we have to use the bathroom.
“To change my socks, shoes, my inserts in my shoes, shorts, shirt, everything, the whole nine yards, hat – it takes five, six minutes. Then, by the time I walk to and from the court.
“You know, I don’t know Tsitsipas, I don’t know his situation. I doubt he’s getting coached. I highly doubt it. Today, you know, I couldn’t even take my bag in to change. I’m like – ‘Guys, my clothes and shoes are in here. You can come stand in here with me if you want.’
joshuadearing
Rookie
These forums would be filled with lawsuits if this was not true. Hell just talking about "paintjobs" on rackets heheh
Now no player says they use the racket; its just they endorse the racket; all legalese.
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OhYes
Guest
Wow, yeah put Djokovic in spotlight even when he doesn't have any connections with this case. Will you just stfu and take your psychological issues with you ?
Boom-Boom
Legend
Opelka is right
joshuadearing
Rookie
" tennis is lame and tennis media sucks "
In my opinion tennis is amazing af but could always be better; media is about average but very passionate; who among them do it just for the buck? You have to love tennis to be in tennis media; just check out Gill Gross.
Rebel-I.N.S
Hall of Fame
It was a shoddy attempt at deflection (ST was probably advised to bring it up) and fair play to Rothenberg for quashing it in real time.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Right, it's not like Nadal was clearly hurt and missed 6 months after that match or anything. He was just playing mindgames on the toilet
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
You seem highly triggered, which is funny. I don't even know who you are.
And for the record, I have no big problem with Djokovic's breaks, assuming he isn't taking illegal substances or receiving coaching during them. I've maintained since the 2020 AO Final, during which Djokovic used gamesmanship to completely break Thiem's momentum - twice - that you don't deserve to win if you can't overcome the other guy taking a bathroom break. Murray is just sour grapes over yet another first round loss.
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
No. Reporter said Murray took less than 3 minutes to do his business in the 2012 Final. And the Philosopher replied with, "So, (I took) three minutes more? What is the issue?". Note: Tsitsipas actually took four minutes more since he was timed at 7:00.
Biotic
Hall of Fame
Right, it's not like Nadal was clearly hurt and missed 6 months after that match or anything. He was just playing mindgames on the toilet
You're seem to be confusing bathroom breaks with MTOs.
Nadal was hurt so bad he had to take a leak. 
canta_Brian
Hall of Fame
I thought you said it was Federer?
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
You're seem to be confusing bathroom breaks with MTOs.
So because the trainer wasn't called he didn't need a break lol? What is the trainer going to do for his chronic foot condition, give it a kiss?
I guess Nadal injured his foot walking back to his car after the match.
canta_Brian
Hall of Fame
Assuming Fed used the toilet he was within the rules. That time passes is fairly obvious. That’s why other players “need” toilet breaks as well.
Fed will have realised that if the ball was hard for him to hit it would be nearly impossible for his opponent. He didn’t want the poor bloke to be hampered and for the match to be ruined for the spectators. He altruistically waits for the conditions to be easier for his opponent and all you can do is complain?
So basically Tsitsipas has created problems for other honest tennis players who genuinely use the toilet breaks as they are intended. He must be becoming very popular on the tour.
Swingmaster
Hall of Fame
Rothenberg brought up the unwritten rule and the way it upsets his opponents and Tsitsipas again asked if it's in the rulebook like he had just won the argument. Sociopath. His ridiculous social media posts are a nice attempt to seem like a real human being.
canta_Brian
Hall of Fame
Is it more humid in NYC than in past years?
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
Murray, Zverev, Sloane and every player under the sun are impugning his integrity. Saying his rest room breaks amounts to gamesmanship.
The press is not impugning his integrity. The press is merely posing the questions. It is THE TOPIC that needs to be discussed.
But thanks to Osaka-coddlers like you, we have this fascist moderator shutting down reporters questions in order to protect Tsitsipas' mental health. How dare they ask him about breaks. It amounts to mental cruelty.
Congratulations, you have won.
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JustMy2Cents
Hall of Fame
joshuadearing
Rookie
Yes this sums it up.
joshuadearing
Rookie
thank you
Wurm
Professional
Again, it's worth pointing out that this recent trend of taking extended bathroom breaks (has anyone checked to see if they coincide with his opponent serving first in the subsequent set?) is just part of an ongoing series of gamesmanship tricks Tsitsipas has been trying on for size over the years.
You bet players are aware that he's a dirty player and it's about time he was called out on it.
joshuadearing
Rookie
Yeah and now us stupid fans and fellow tennis players and nerds know what he is doing on purpose.
If that's winning; then winning is not everything.
Something needs to be done I agree. They need to define it clearly. But Tsitsipas is following the rulebook whether Andy or anyone for that matter like it or not. And if people complain, he has ammunition. All the delaying tactics by Djokovic and Nadal between points, Fed's "sun" and toilet, Andy's USO toilet break for 5 min, Djokovic toilet break 0-2 down etc. means they don't have a leg to stand on.
The rulebook says you are entitled to take two toilet breaks. He's using up his entitlement.
joshuadearing
Rookie
Well said.
Wurm
Professional
It's less than two minutes. I will respond to every single post I see giving out a time that's demonstrably horse sh*t.
Name the honest tennis players.
Is it Nadal or Djokovic who take time between points and also take well timed toilet breaks to disrupt opponent's rhythm? Djokovic is the king of toilet breaks.
Or is it Federer who famously used the sun to his advantage by taking a toilet break?
Once you've set a precedent and the rulebook says you can, no one can bring gamesmanship to the argument. This is because they all play with gamesmanship despite the no of Stefan Edberg awards they've won. Tsitsipas can say he does not take time between points. Just because you are allowed 20-25 seconds does not mean you should take 20-25 seconds. We are talking about an unwritten imaginary rule that players have created.
joshuadearing
Rookie
No; well said but No
zagor
Bionic Poster
How about tennis sets clear rules and enforces them so we don't have to leave so much for "interpreting" things? Control mechanisms have a purpose precisely because there are people like Tsits who just don't give a crap and will abuse the rules as much as they can.
Include 1-2 point penalty for MTO and toilet breaks (would get rid of about 80% of them), and the latter can last 5 minutes max.
Also enforce the time rule so we don't get another Nadal on our hands in the future.
It's less than three minutes. I will respond to every single post I see giving out a time that's demonstrably horse sh*t.
My bad for 5 min. In the video, the reporter says less than three minutes. You can watch it. Point still stands. To some 3 min is too long. You can do in 1 minute, no? Plus he gave himself a pep talk. That broke the rules which explicitly state it must be used just for that purpose.
zagor
Bionic Poster
"Honest" toilet breaks and MTOs constitute for about 10% and I'm probably being generous.
They're used as momentum breakers vast majority of the time, let's be honest here.
Not arguing that. What are the chances that some players have to pee in every match, and especially when they’re losing?
I’m just saying that when a player genuinely needs to relieve himself now is going to be in trouble as Opelka pointed out.
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OhYes
Guest
Lol, just don't speak about illegal substances with operacion Puerto crawling under Nadals feet. Nadal being injured millions of times but showing up healthy in spring, jumping around like rabbit in front of his opponents trying to intimidate them, guy who takes most time before serve, breaks rules and always gets away with it, uncle Toni who threatens umpires and who not, so many things Nadal would get accused from my side if only I would give a fck.
Also Idk who the hell are you, but here you are when you need to badmouth Djokovic bcs he has better resume than your cheating Bull
zagor
Bionic Poster
That's why you introduce a point penalty for a toilet break. If you really need to go, you'll still go.
Wurm
Professional
It's less than three minutes. I will respond to every single post I see giving out a time that's demonstrably horse sh*t.
I've explicitly watched it to check and it's less than TWO minutes. The reporter is technically right but is not accurate.
I knew this would happen. People don't fact check things for themselves.
Born_to_slice
Legend
No one normal gives a damn.
But you as a normal human being give a damn when someone (Tsitsipas) follows the rules?
Spencer Gore
Legend
A legal toilet break of max five minutes from leaving court to start of play at the end of the second set and the end of the fourth set. No exceptions.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
Born_to_slice
Legend
Well, no one gives a damn what Murray did in 2012. All people care about is what's happening now.
who's momentum did Tsitsipas break after he won the 4th set?Djokovic fans: what’s wrong with using the toilet to disrupt the opponent’s momentum? We don’t see the problem
Why? Because it is uncomfortable? Because he looks like a hypocrite? What is happening now is a result of what people have done in the past.
People living in glass houses ... comes to mind.
Didn't he break Murray right after the toilet break to start the 5th set? That was the only break of the set and decided the match.
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