Tsonga back to his Apd+

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Tsonga wasn't influenced by money or country of origin. He approached Babolat after hitting with Nadal's racquet during a practice session and feeling it was much better than the Wilson he had. And a player can break a contract any time he/she feels like it, simply by threatening to blame his/her poor play on his/her racquet on Facebook and Twitter. Wozniacki voided her Yonex contract in just this way recently. The company could never get enough money from the player (likely they would get none, or $1, as it is hard to prove actual cost) to reflect the actual damage done to the brand.

Tsonga waited until his Wilson contract was up to switch to Babolat. That is why he played with the Kobra Tour at the end of it.
 

jackcrawford

Professional
Tsonga waited until his Wilson contract was up to switch to Babolat. That is why he played with the Kobra Tour at the end of it.
I know he did - had he wanted to back to Wilson from Babolat, all he would have had to do was end the contract that day. If he left six months into it and had been paid for a full year, of course he would give that money back. Wozniacki will not be sued unless she has failed to do something like that, you can't enforce specific performance, e.g. forcing a player to continue to use the frame, in this sort of case. Davydenko suffered no consequence from his bad-mouthing of Prince (and threats to escalate it) to escape his contract with them in 2010 to sign with Dunlophttp://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2010/03/20100322/This-Weeks-News/Racket-Brands-Duel-Over-Davydenko.aspx. He later even returned to Prince for a time. Tacchini refused to let Hingis out of shoe contract, and after she said the shoes were so bad they hurt her feet, they sued each other and no money was won by either side, but Tacchini lost their shoe business http://money.uk.msn.com/news/celebrity-money/photos.aspx?cp-documentid=158044561&page=11. No company will roll the dice on that one, they will just cut the player loose.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
I know he did - had he wanted to back to Wilson from Babolat, all he would have had to do was end the contract that day. If he left six months into it and had been paid for a full year, of course he would give that money back. Wozniacki will not be sued unless she has failed to do something like that, you can't enforce specific performance, e.g. forcing a player to continue to use the frame, in this sort of case. Davydenko suffered no consequence from his bad-mouthing of Prince (and threats to escalate it) to escape his contract with them in 2010 to sign with Dunlophttp://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/...s-News/Racket-Brands-Duel-Over-Davydenko.aspx. He later even returned to Prince for a time. Tacchini refused to let Hingis out of shoe contract, and after she said the shoes were so bad they hurt her feet, they sued each other and no money was won by either side, but Tacchini lost their shoe business http://money.uk.msn.com/news/celebrity-money/photos.aspx?cp-documentid=158044561&page=11. No company will roll the dice on that one, they will just cut the player loose.
Hingis's Tacchini shoes caused her physical injury. I don't think that Wozniack can prove in court that her Yonex racquet caused her physical injury.
 

darklore009

Hall of Fame
Here's Tsonga with the AeroPro last night:

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It might be time to hunt down some of those old Wilson sticks. I'm worried about him :(

is it me or my eyes is telling me that APD+ is floating
 

iceman_dl6

Professional
Wow, Tsonga right now playing vs Fed with his APD+ and hitting VERY well. I guess the Strike wasn't a good fit for him.
 

Lukhas

Legend
According to Guy Forget, Tsonga uses full poly setup on clay opposed to his usual GutM/PolyX setup.
 

baseline_monster

Professional
Let's be about right guys, Tsongs was nothing until the 2008 Oz open, where he played the tournament of his life (where in the semi he beat Rafa like no one has before.) That may have been with a pro staff but he switched to the kobra tour after trying a Babolat APD, he knows what he likes and whats best for him. Tsonga's problem is in his head, no where else.
 

Cup8489

G.O.A.T.
Ask any PS 6.0 85/Tour 90 user if they feel the beam on the Six-One 95 feels "thick" to them, especially if they have a 1HBH.

So, in your opinion, the only people whose opinions matter are PS 6.0 85/ Tour 90 users?

Well, in my opinion, your opinion does not matter.

How do you feel about that?
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
So, in your opinion, the only people whose opinions matter are PS 6.0 85/ Tour 90 users?

Well, in my opinion, your opinion does not matter.

How do you feel about that?
Then why do you bother reading my posts? :oops:

So if the 22mm beam on a Six-One 95 is "thin", then what's the 17mm beam on a PS 6.0 85? When people think of "thin-beamed" frames, the Six-One 95 is not the first one that comes to mind.
 

Cup8489

G.O.A.T.
Then why do you bother reading my posts? :oops:

So if the 22mm beam on a Six-One 95 is "thin", then what's the 17mm beam on a PS 6.0 85? When people think of "thin-beamed" frames, the Six-One 95 is not the first one that comes to mind.

It is also thin.
 

DannyJK

New User
I've always wondered why there is so much bickering back and forth between forum users..... but I just had the epiphany, you all play tennis, which means when someone hits at you, you always like to hit back.

only problem is, you guys are not on the tennis courts, any disputes should be settled on court ;)
 

Cup8489

G.O.A.T.
So if you held the PS 6.0 85 and the Six-One 95 next to each other and asked someone which is the "thin" beam and which is the "thick" beam, which racquet would they choose for each?

That was not your original question. You asked if the PS85 was thin, then what was the Tour 95. I said it was also thin.

Why would they have to choose? Is it not possible for both to be thin?
 

Cup8489

G.O.A.T.
I've always wondered why there is so much bickering back and forth between forum users..... but I just had the epiphany, you all play tennis, which means when someone hits at you, you always like to hit back.

only problem is, you guys are not on the tennis courts, any disputes should be settled on court ;)

That would be interesting. I wonder who would win between BP and myself.

Depends on the court I suppose. I sense we're of similar levels.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
That was not your original question. You asked if the PS85 was thin, then what was the Tour 95. I said it was also thin.

Why would they have to choose? Is it not possible for both to be thin?
There is a HUGE difference between 17mm and 22mm. They CANNOT both be thin. "Thin beam" is a very specific designation.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
What is "thin" depends on personal preference really.

I consider everything 21mm and below thin.

Yes, babolat aeropro is medium thin beam. and pure strike is in same category. Wilson pro 90 is considered thin beam construction. TW seem to suggest this as well.
 

Cup8489

G.O.A.T.
There is a HUGE difference between 17mm and 22mm. They CANNOT both be thin. "Thin beam" is a very specific designation.

if we're talking about objects over 2 feet long, 5mm is not a HUGE difference, relatively speaking.

And I have heard frames of the prestige and radical MP type called 'thin beam' by tennis pros. So why is their explanation less valid than yours?
 

bluegrasser

Hall of Fame
Wow Breakpoint" one thing I give you credit for is perseverance, carrying on the doctrine of the " true mid " as a faithful ambassador.
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
if we're talking about objects over 2 feet long, 5mm is not a HUGE difference, relatively speaking.

And I have heard frames of the prestige and radical MP type called 'thin beam' by tennis pros. So why is their explanation less valid than yours?

varies really... The MG Radical MP still was a 21mm straight beam, as is the Prestige MP to this day.

No explanation is less valid. It depends on your personal preferences and what you grew up with. I probably wouldn't call 22mm thin either if I had grown up with a 17mm PS 85.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
if we're talking about objects over 2 feet long, 5mm is not a HUGE difference, relatively speaking.

And I have heard frames of the prestige and radical MP type called 'thin beam' by tennis pros. So why is their explanation less valid than yours?
But we're not referring to the length, just the width. Thus, it doesn't matter how long the object is if we're specifically referring to the width only. And 5mm is a significant difference as that's 30% wider than 17mm. If your new car tires are 30% wider than your old car tires, don't you think that would make a significant difference to how your car feels and performs when you go around a turn?

"Thin beam" has been a very specific designation for racquet frames for a very long time, just as "box beam" has. They both mean very specific things. People can't just arbitrarily change their meaning because they feel like it.
 

Cup8489

G.O.A.T.
But we're not referring to the length, just the width. Thus, it doesn't matter how long the object is if we're specifically referring to the width only. And 5mm is a significant difference as that's 30% wider than 17mm. If your new car tires are 30% wider than your old car tires, don't you think that would make a significant difference to how your car feels and performs when you go around a turn?

"Thin beam" has been a very specific designation for racquet frames for a very long time, just as "box beam" has. They both mean very specific things. People can't just arbitrarily change their meaning because they feel like it.

Box beam is a specific type of frame. thin beam is a description of a general characteristic. As it stands, I've seen frames 15mm wide, and some like 30 mm wide. thin beam tends to refer to those on the thinner side, and i personally consider 21mm to be thin. Not wilson prostaff thin, or donnay thin, but thin nonetheless. I consider a Pure Drive to be medium, for instance.. as there are frames out there with much thicker beams to compare. an example would be the liquidmetal 4 i picked up. It's a similar frame design to a radical, but much wider. This frame makes a pure drive-esque frame appear very thin in comparison, and then you have the enormous wilson frames from the early 2000's to compare with as well.

Hence my statement, its all relative. A 21mm will seem overly tiny to someone used to a Big Bubba, and could also seem horrifically big to someone used to one of the newer donnay frames (the ones launched when they reopened their doors, i think 16mm?)

If you can show evidence that 'thin beam' refers to categorically designated width, or width range, I will certainly find that more conclusive.
 
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