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peoplespeace

peoplespeace

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joko101 said:
there's no back hand ??
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In the backhand vid there is! In the other two i was mostly slicing the bh. When im working on something specific with my fh, i dont was to ruin the rytm by hitting topspin on the bh as im not consistent enough on that one. Easier too just slice it back. Off course the aim is to be able to rally with a quality fh and 2hbh without consistensy issues, but im not there yet!
 
anubis

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peoplespeace said:
A couple of vids of me hitting (still aiming for that atp point ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7rfdzkIR7g 3 min

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6GUX1xJpF8 8 min

Some backhands, trying to change my takeback from C to SMILE (playing with a broken finger on right hand so might as well work on the bh!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQQiW_P1K9I
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This is what I gathered from your video:

1. You are falling backwards on almost all of your shots.

2. Your hitting partner is not moving you around the court. You need to find better hitting partners.

Honestly, i have 2.5 friends that would move you around the court more than these videos.

Move your weight forward. Step into your shots. You're missing out on so much power and pace by being so neutral.
 
peoplespeace

peoplespeace

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anubis said:
This is what I gathered from your video:

1. You are falling backwards on almost all of your shots.

2. Your hitting partner is not moving you around the court. You need to find better hitting partners.

Honestly, i have 2.5 friends that would move you around the court more than these videos.

Move your weight forward. Step into your shots. You're missing out on so much power and pace by being so neutral.
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I dont agree with, but i thank u for ur serious feedback (if that is what it is). I just have two questions, how fast do u think the ball is travelling forth and back on our faster rallies? And what is ur own playing level?
 
HughJars

HughJars

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Nice smooth hitting mate.

Anubis is full of s*it.

So your hitting partner is consistent at getting the ball back to you down the middle. How this makes him a 2.5 beats the s*it out of me. Also indicates you can hit straight to him.

And youre getting decent power on your shots, looking effortless while you do it.
 
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Gyswandir

Semi-Pro
Are you looking for critique?

If you are, then here are my 2 cents
You have good hand eye coordination, which allows you to overcome some issues, mainly on the fh. I actually like your bh from technical pov more.
Your fh contact point is usually bad, as you are hitting it too late. This could be either a footwork issue, or you've got used to hitting it from ankle height.

I'm assuming the flat fh is intentional. So, not commenting on that. However, you often use too much arm. Since you get away with it, it is up to you what your long term objective is and whether you should invest in rebuilding that.

Bh looks ok, but I'm not very experienced with the 2h. So, the only comment I can make is I think you are not getting an optimal contact point, thus slightly robbing you of power (feels like you are making a lot of effort in the stroke). If I am mistaken, then my bad. Otherwise, experiment with just a slightly delayed contact point and whether it gives you better ball contact and power.

Last, the bh slice should begin slightly higher and engage your body more to have it more penetrating, without floating.

As always, not a coach.
 
Cheetah

Cheetah

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Nice hitting. Smooth.

That bh slice is bad. I recommend trying to hit it with a straight or quite a bit straighter arm than you have now, don't flex the elbow and don't break the wrist on contact, keep it firm and in the same position the whole way through. Try that.

Some good footwork in there too.
 
Sir Shankalot

Sir Shankalot

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peoplespeace said:
A couple of vids of me hitting (still aiming for that atp point ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7rfdzkIR7g 3 min

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6GUX1xJpF8 8 min

Some backhands, trying to change my takeback from C to SMILE (playing with a broken finger on right hand so might as well work on the bh!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQQiW_P1K9I
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I only watched the first video. Nice controlled cooperative hitting. The one thing I noticed was that you rarely split step. Fine when you are just hitting up and down the middle but IMO this should be an ingrained habit and you should aim always to split step on every shot no matter what.
 
Cheetah

Cheetah

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Sir Shankalot said:
I only watched the first video. Nice controlled cooperative hitting. The one thing I noticed was that you rarely split step. Fine when you are just hitting up and down the middle but IMO this should be an ingrained habit and you should aim always to split step on every shot no matter what.
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He splits steps most of the time later on. maybe it's in the second video i forget. But they were good split steps too. Nicely timed and not overdone.
 
peoplespeace

peoplespeace

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Gyswandir said:
If you are, then here are my 2 cents
You have good hand eye coordination, which allows you to overcome some issues, mainly on the fh. I actually like your bh from technical pov more.
Your fh contact point is usually bad, as you are hitting it too late. This could be either a footwork issue, or you've got used to hitting it from ankle height.

I'm assuming the flat fh is intentional. So, not commenting on that. However, you often use too much arm. Since you get away with it, it is up to you what your long term objective is and whether you should invest in rebuilding that.

Bh looks ok, but I'm not very experienced with the 2h. So, the only comment I can make is I think you are not getting an optimal contact point, thus slightly robbing you of power (feels like you are making a lot of effort in the stroke). If I am mistaken, then my bad. Otherwise, experiment with just a slightly delayed contact point and whether it gives you better ball contact and power.

Last, the bh slice should begin slightly higher and engage your body more to have it more penetrating, without floating.

As always, not a coach.
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Thanks for ur comments. By saying that im still aiming for an atp point i was alluding to an earlier thread of mine where i said the same thing which provoked quite a reaction so i thought that people would comment whether i asked for it or not! :)

Regarding my forehand, i only recently managed to consitently getting the pop sound that the pros have when hitting the ball. Until two weeks before i recorded the vid i had only had that pop on some 5 shots in my life! So im quilte excited about this new development that im experiencing. However, ur absolute right, my contact point on the fh is slightly too late and during the next months i will work on moving that forward without losing the very clean contact im making now where i actually manage to get my body weight into the shot while staying very relaxed.

Therefore, i also agree that in terms of swing path my bh is better than my fh, but since my bh as ur rightly point out is much more stiff than my fh the result is not as good. Im not sure what u mean when u say i need to have a more delayed contact, u think i should move the contact point backwards closer to the body? Im not sure i agree, i think i "just" need to relax more and get a more clean contact.

I know my slice is a bit unorthdox, but it actually one of my better shots, i can hit it with power and consistancy both cc and dtl. But yes in the future id like to make it more orthodox.
 
Sir Shankalot

Sir Shankalot

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Cheetah said:
He splits steps most of the time later on. maybe it's in the second video i forget. But they were good split steps too. Nicely timed and not overdone.
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OK, Fair enough... I only watched first minute of the first video (slow internet here today for some reason :()
 
peoplespeace

peoplespeace

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Cheetah said:
Nice hitting. Smooth.

That bh slice is bad. I recommend trying to hit it with a straight or quite a bit straighter arm than you have now, don't flex the elbow and don't break the wrist on contact, keep it firm and in the same position the whole way through. Try that.

Some good footwork in there too.
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Tx :)

Regarding the my slice i actually just changed it from streight arm to bending and streightening in the elbow for added power and im quite happy with that :)

But i will try what u suggest in terms of keeping the wrist streight and not flex and streighten it into contact.

Thanks for ur comment on my footwork, a couple of years ago it was my terrible but now i actually think that it is a strength of my including my split step. When i made the concious decision to move those damn feet something started happening!
 
peoplespeace

peoplespeace

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Sir Shankalot said:
I only watched the first video. Nice controlled cooperative hitting. The one thing I noticed was that you rarely split step. Fine when you are just hitting up and down the middle but IMO this should be an ingrained habit and you should aim always to split step on every shot no matter what.
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As cheetah says i actually do split step, even in the first vid. Check it out again. On most rallys i start split stepping after my second step when the pace of the rally picks up.
 
movdqa

movdqa

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After watching the first video, I thought that you'd show a 1HBH in the backhand video but I was surprised that you have a 2HBH and that you looked younger there. The first video was somewhat washed out so I assumed that you were an older old-school player from your flat forehand.

You have compact, efficient strokes though I think that you could add some pace to your 2HBH. I got the impression that your forehand had a fair amount of pace on it.
 
Cheetah

Cheetah

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peoplespeace said:
Tx :)

Regarding the my slice i actually just changed it from streight arm to bending and streightening in the elbow for added power and im quite happy with that :)

But i will try what u suggest in terms of keeping the wrist streight and not flex and streighten it into contact.

Thanks for ur comment on my footwork, a couple of years ago it was my terrible but now i actually think that it is a strength of my including my split step. When i made the concious decision to move those damn feet something started happening!
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ok but i still think it's a bad move to straighten out the elbow for a slice for power. If you watch 98% of pros they are definitely not doing that. Some of the have a slight bend in the elbow but that bend stays that way and doesn't extend.
The power should come from the body going forward and leaning into the slice and the hands just angle the racquet to cut under it to put backspin/sidespin on it. You extend the elbow during the hit you will have inconsistency, floating and won't penetrate 8 out of 10 times. Same on the 1hbh topspin, the arm is straightened out beforehand and stays that way. Except fed but he has trouble on his bh topspin and many people say it's because of his bent elbow and extending it into the shot. All the other great 1hbh guys are straight arm all the way.
The slice should be more of a drive and stay low after the bounce... not a spinny floater.

like rafter slicing here. straight arm. elbow doesn't move http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG1y3zPyRlU
But anyway.. good stuff regardless. good luck.
 
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peoplespeace

peoplespeace

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movdqa said:
After watching the first video, I thought that you'd show a 1HBH in the backhand video but I was surprised that you have a 2HBH and that you looked younger there. The first video was somewhat washed out so I assumed that you were an older old-school player from your flat forehand.

You have compact, efficient strokes though I think that you could add some pace to your 2HBH. I got the impression that your forehand had a fair amount of pace on it.
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Completely agree with u. I think i will get more power on my bh when i start relaxing more on that shot and get a cleaner contact and better weight transfer. Im very happy with what is happening with more fh these days. It had alot of pace and pop, however i want to see if i can get more spin without loosing pace and pop, so as to make it heavier. Right now it is too easy to block it back if ur in good position and has good technique. I need some more bowling ball effect!

The bh vid is shot one week before the other two vids so same age (44). Until five yrs ago i had played very little. After a year i changed from 1hbh to 2hbh, mostly becus i thought it looked cooler :) So im not an old school play since i didnt play tennis in those days, unfortunately (maybe!).
 
peoplespeace

peoplespeace

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Cheetah said:
ok but i still think it's a bad move to straighten out the elbow for a slice for power. If you watch 98% of pros they are definitely not doing that. Some of the have a slight bend in the elbow but that bend stays that way and doesn't extend.
The power should come from the body going forward and leaning into the slice and the hands just angle the racquet to cut under it to put backspin/sidespin on it. You extend the elbow during the hit you will have inconsistency, floating and won't penetrate 8 out of 10 times. Same on the 1hbh topspin, the arm is straightened out beforehand and stays that way. Except fed but he has trouble on his bh topspin and many people say it's because of his bent elbow and extending it into the shot. All the other great 1hbh guys are straight arm all the way.
The slice should be more of a drive and stay low after the bounce... not a spinny floater.

like rafter slicing here. straight arm. elbow doesn't move http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG1y3zPyRlU
But anyway.. good stuff regardless. good luck.
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U make a good case, so ill try it! The thing is that when i was hitting with a streight arm i wasnt turning my torso. So i made those two changes at the same time, ie turning my torso and flexing the elbow. I will try to maintain the torso turn but keep the arm streight. But i cant really see that that is what Rafter does. I u see the two slices at 33 sek to me it looks like that his elbow is bent at the beginning of the forward swing and streight soon after contact. So i guess u are saying that he streightens he arm before contact and not during contact? I would need a slowmo to be able to see that! :)
 
Cheetah

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peoplespeace said:
U make a good case, so ill try it! The thing is that when i was hitting with a streight arm i wasnt turning my torso. So i made those two changes at the same time, ie turning my torso and flexing the elbow. I will try to maintain the torso turn but keep the arm streight. But i cant really see that that is what Rafter does. I u see the two slices at 33 sek to me it looks like that his elbow is bent at the beginning of the forward swing and streight soon after contact. So i guess u are saying that he streightens he arm before contact and not during contact? I would need a slowmo to be able to see that! :)
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Rafter extends his elbow but it is straight before impact and remains straight. Probably everybody has to to extend the elbow at some point because the take back is bent of course.
 
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dominikk1985

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Cheetah said:
good instructional vid on slice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II7Wo0y6fC8
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I think it is very bad to teach across for a slice. for a topspin some across is good but for a slice I would teach straight through. some across will happen naturally but most beginners that swing across will have no control at all and often hit a weak pop up. teach to hit straight through the ball and the slice will be much better. later he will rotate his body a little anyway and create that across.

I have shown that straight swing path to a few guys and it almost always fixed their slice.
 
Cheetah

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dominikk1985 said:
I think it is very bad to teach across for a slice. for a topspin some across is good but for a slice I would teach straight through. some across will happen naturally but most beginners that swing across will have no control at all and often hit a weak pop up. teach to hit straight through the ball and the slice will be much better. later he will rotate his body a little anyway and create that across.

I have shown that straight swing path to a few guys and it almost always fixed their slice.
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yup. i posted the vid for that arm position at contact which is the same for essentially all types of slices. I wasn't trying to get him to use any particular type of slice.
 
maxpotapov

maxpotapov

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I tried to follow this video instruction before, did not work for me much. Because it explains arm take back first, apart from all the other preparations - feet, legs, back, upper body. Besides, unless I understand how I want to brush the ball with L-shaped structure (upright wrist), this "parallel to the back fence" position is unnatural or even counterproductive.

So, I would do the whole thing in reverse: focus on the contact (which side of the ball which way to brush) and unrestricted follow through (keeping the L shape) and then come to the start - body position and take back to make the whole swing easier to execute (pendulum swing and wrist lock)
 
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peoplespeace

peoplespeace

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gbgTennis said:
why cant i watch those?
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Hey gbg, how u doin? Im doing good. Thanks for ur greeting in the travel section, r u back in Germany now? U been playing tennis? Ur most welcome to join me in Copenhagen this summer for some serious training ;) u can stay at my place or hostel nearby. I also go to Geneva often, u can also come visit me there if u want, only hard court though at my club!

Yeah, ive put the vid on private after the thread fissled out. Im much better than when we played in Bangkok ;)

Stay cool!
 
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gbgTennis

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Haha thats good to hear!! Yea I went back to germany after i had been to and new zealand. Unfortunately i have played tennis less than 5 times in the last 18 months now, because i spent the summer traveling and dont usually play much in winters. But I'm at a new club now this summer and will definitely try to hit the court as much as possible.
Can't wait to see how much you have imrpoved, I remember your 2hbh to be the shot that you wanted to enhance the most.

hopefully we can do some training this summer!!
 
peoplespeace

peoplespeace

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gbgTennis said:
Haha thats good to hear!! Yea I went back to germany after i had been to and new zealand. Unfortunately i have played tennis less than 5 times in the last 18 months now, because i spent the summer traveling and dont usually play much in winters. But I'm at a new club now this summer and will definitely try to hit the court as much as possible.
Can't wait to see how much you have imrpoved, I remember your 2hbh to be the shot that you wanted to enhance the most.

hopefully we can do some training this summer!!
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Sounds good with ur new club, get out there and develop that talent! :) I hope u had an awesome time downunder! Yeah still working on the 2 hbh, such a cool shot, but my fh is what has improved the most, i now get that pop sound of the pros on most of the shot, had been searching for that for years without knowing that it was just there under my nose ;)

Yeah lets make that training camp happen :) U working or studying now in Cologne?
 
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danno123

Rookie
How about making the video public again for a short time? I'd like to see you hitting. I still remember the video you posted years ago and want to see how you've progressed.
 
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gbgTennis

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Right now i'm working, university is going to start in October. Are you in Copenhagen in late August or September, or somewhere on the globe hitting on the best courts? ;) Also I'll be in Zurich for some time in summer, so when you happen to be in Geneva we might be able to hit some balls there :)
I hope you're very well, greetings and see you soon
 
peoplespeace

peoplespeace

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gbgTennis said:
Right now i'm working, university is going to start in October. Are you in Copenhagen in late August or September, or somewhere on the globe hitting on the best courts? ;) Also I'll be in Zurich for some time in summer, so when you happen to be in Geneva we might be able to hit some balls there :)
I hope you're very well, greetings and see you soon
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What are u up to these days?
 
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