Video of Forehand from 3.5

Hey guys been playing for 2 years. First year playing USTA and having tons of fun. I went undefeated at state and lost one match to a pusher in sectionals. My forehand was my weak shot while my backhand was giving me winners. So I have started from scratch with the help of the FYB site. Nothing fancy with these shots just trying to keep the ball in and correct my crappy forehand. Andy advice would be great.. THANKS!

Oh btw sorry about the came angle my g/f thought it would be a good idea to turn the camera :???:

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrLZybsgbWQ
 

ci2ca

Semi-Pro
Well to start it off your racket takeback is fine. But your stroke is ending out in front and STOPPING in front, sure that'll help guide the ball deep but there's no spin. IF you watch some of the older players like mcenroe, sampras, etc. they all are doing what you're doing in that video. FYB has the video with the windshield wiper forehand. Watch that. That's the modern game of tennis, the double bend windshield wiper forehand. =]
 

raffi!

New User
I'm in agreement with the above poster that you should not be cutting off your stroke out in front of your face. The windshield wiper is not necessary; since your stroke seems more like the classic forehand, you should possibly try to catch the racket over your shoulder.

Also, BEND YOUR KNEES.
 
yea try not to end your swing prematurely like that - finish other your shoulder.

also some shots I get the feeling you swing your arm first then turn your shoulder after so your purely using your arm to hit the ball?
 

Topspin24

Rookie
^^Yeah, you're looking pretty stiff out there.
-bend knees
-proper follow-thru of low to high
-relax swing motion
-brush up on the ball to get some spin
I just said what everyone else said but in a neater format, =]
 

raiden031

Legend
umm, no offense but in two years you should be much better.

Is this a joke? What should his game be like after 2 years? Enlighten us...

How do you even know how good he is based on a couple of groundstrokes from a ball machine? He said he had a good record at 3.5 after 2 years of playing. That is above average. I've seen plenty of USTA players who have worse looking strokes and struggle at 3.5 after 10 years of playing.
 
lol thats awesome. Thank you for those words of wisdom.

Annnnywaaays. Well if anyone actually looks at FYB site they would see the forehand progressions part. My forehand was big time failure I understand this. Thats why I am trying to fix it.
The reason i'm not following through is because thats what Will instructs in his videos.
Well here are some videos of me trying to follow through up to my shoulder. I had a problem where I would always follow through under the shoulder.
Thats what I was trying to fix. I tried learning the WW Forehand before learning the basic forehand.

Btw my g/f is telling me when the follow through is above the shoulder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiLz51ARmHo
 
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StuckInMalibu

Guest
FYB has videos on ball machine drills. FYB incorporates movement while practicing the forehand. If you are starting from scratch, I would try to learn to how move and set up the forehand and return to the ready position. I almost never find time to use a big backswing or even set my feet when the ball gets pounded at me and I get moved around the court.
 
Yeah I watched those. I play a lot of 4.0's since most of my friends played high school tennis so I get plenty of running forehands. Thats not what i'm trying to do here. It's hard to change forehand strokes when you are worried about running for the ball.
 

chris

Rookie
well in the second video you are following through over the shoulder which is good but it seems like its still to stiff and your trying to stop right at the shoulder let your stroke be more relaxed
 
Chris you are correct on that one.
It took everything in my power to keep that racquet headed over my shoulder. Which caused big time stiffening of the arm. I will try to relax more next time. Problem was when I relaxed on the first video I was following under the shoulder :cry:
 

Blake0

Hall of Fame
Well..first video hurt my neck..thank you..and i agree with everyone about following through all the way so you almost kiss your shoulder.

Second video the followthrough looked better, so good improvement.

third video..(well 3rd and 2nd) almost everytime you hit the ball you're sorta hopping backwards? Especially noticed in second video. Try not hopping at all right now and transfer your weight forward..you're sorta transfering your weight forward while jumping backwards on some of your forehands? I understand a couple times, but try hopping forward or at the same place so you don't lose power, better yet don't hop at all for now.
 

Wes_Loves_Dunlop

Professional
Is this a joke? What should his game be like after 2 years? Enlighten us...

How do you even know how good he is based on a couple of groundstrokes from a ball machine? He said he had a good record at 3.5 after 2 years of playing. That is above average. I've seen plenty of USTA players who have worse looking strokes and struggle at 3.5 after 10 years of playing.

a person who has played for 2 years should be at least a 4.0. ive been playing for 1 year and a couple months and im close to making my varsity team in my sophomore year, and our vars team is one of the best in our league
 

raiden031

Legend
a person who has played for 2 years should be at least a 4.0. ive been playing for 1 year and a couple months and im close to making my varsity team in my sophomore year, and our vars team is one of the best in our league

You can't assume you are a 4.0 after 1 year unless you can beat a usta-rated 4.0. There is too much variation in high school tennis to judge from that.

75% of all tennis players are below 4.0 by the way. If someone reaches 4.0 in one year of tennis, they are definitely the exception and not the rule.
 

ttbrowne

Hall of Fame
I think your FH looks fine for 2 years. Your footwork impresses me too.
As Blake0 pointed out you're jumping a little backwards, AND When you get a high bouncing ball...you don't need to drop your racket head so much. The higher the bounce the higher you should keep the path to the ball.
 
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Nellie

Hall of Fame
Chris you are correct on that one.
It took everything in my power to keep that racquet headed over my shoulder. Which caused big time stiffening of the arm. I will try to relax more next time. Problem was when I relaxed on the first video I was following under the shoulder :cry:

Yeah - your torso/feet are not moving and you are hitting everything with the arm, and this will feel unnatural.

Your set up is good - but once you start swinging, you drop the left arm, arm the racquet into your body (without any extension forward) and then extend out the right and left arms sideways because you have a mental image of finishing over the the shoulder.

Try this - freeze and hold the racquet at contact and see how it feels for two seconds, before you follow through. In your video, the contact is close to the side of your body.

In contrast, a professional forehand will contact well forward of their body, continue even more forward, and then take a good step forward with the right leg (if a righty) to bring the body around - this finish of the right shoulder, right elbow, and the butt of the racquet pointed to the target are the real signs of the modern forehand, where you hit with the hips and not the arms.

It helps me to think of the ground stroke as a linear movement in the line of the ball, and not as a circle - more like a box - straight in a line through the ball, across the body, and then (with a big step) around the body.

also - don't jump at the ball, stay down and hold the same vertical plain. Otherwise, the timing/aiming gets too hard and you will shank. You see pros jump, but if you look in slo-mo, it comes after the contact from the weight shift and not from trying to jump up and into the ball.
 

TENNIS_IS_FUN

Professional
You don't follow through on your swings...you seem to stop mid way. It seems pretty solid though and consistent but I don't know how effective that type of swing will be against better opponents...my suggestion is to start all over and use a more western grip to impart more spin and utilize a more full swing. Your power and spin will always be limited when you stop your swing midway, regardless of what Will has on the FYB site. (Is there really a video of someone stopping the follow through in front of their body?

^ I posted this first before reading the OP's post. I apologize. Just pay attention to the first sentence.
 
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Jay_The_Nomad

Professional
awesome shoes by the way.

I have that same pair :)

*Had a look at your second video. I like the swing motion. I think you should leave it as it is. But perhaps you should have more shoulder rotation & more hip loading. Right now, most of the racquet head speed is coming from your arm power only.
 
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Rhinosaur

Rookie
a person who has played for 2 years should be at least a 4.0. ive been playing for 1 year and a couple months and im close to making my varsity team in my sophomore year, and our vars team is one of the best in our league


You're a kid, so I won't call you an idiot...but how many years you play has no bearing on your rating. I played two years in high school with horrible coaching and a small practice schedule. But hey, two years, so I should be 4.0? Right?
 

darthpwner

Banned
i see lazy footwork but the forehand is nice and deep. imo WW wiper finish is overrated unless u r a pro who can hit those big heavy topspin shots all day. a nice over the shoulder finish like wut ur doing can get the job done at lower levels plus it allows u to hit well under pressure
 
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darthpwner

Banned
I think your FH looks fine for 2 years. Your footwork impresses me too.
As Blake0 pointed out you're jumping a little backwards, AND When you get a high bouncing ball...you don't need to drop your racket head so much. The higher the bounce the higher you should keep the path to the ball.

lol
10 char
 

fruitytennis1

Professional
a person who has played for 2 years should be at least a 4.0. ive been playing for 1 year and a couple months and im close to making my varsity team in my sophomore year, and our vars team is one of the best in our league

Hmm doubt it. Either your lying or your league is in Alaska. No offence to all those Alaskans out there who dont lie about their tennis status.
 

Dreamer

Professional
Didn't read any other post so I might be repeating something.

Anyway:
1) you're standing upright. Even in ready position you need to spread your legs apart and lower your center of gravity. This helps your movement and gives you power

2) your swing is a bit constrained and controlled. This isn't all that bad because your strokes are not completely confident. This emphasizes control, but after two years I think you're ready to practice a more free swing. This will give you more racquet head speed.

3) You have an exaggerated finish. It kind of hangs there. Maybe you're trying to imitate proper form and thinking too much about the finish. You shouldn't think about it too much and allow it to finish naturally. Then recover to ready position.

4) You kind of vibrate instead of split step.
 

djqsrv

New User
Don’t get caught up in the WW forehand stuff. Don’t get me wrong it has its place in the game but it is a little over rated. Just think about Agassi. One of the greatest forehands ever and also one of the simplest. Get the racket back quickly hit through the ball with topspin and finish nicely over the shoulder. Keep doing what you are doing. You are on the right track. You just made a large change in your stroke. It is going to take a little time to smooth out. Don’t give up on it the stoke looks much better over your shoulder. As you get better you will probably find yourself coming across the body more when you flatten out the ball. Keep the feet moving. When hitting with a machine it is very easy to get lazy feet. Stay on the balls of your feet and bend your knees a little bit more. Be proud of your advancements you are coming along nicely.
 
a person who has played for 2 years should be at least a 4.0. ive been playing for 1 year and a couple months and im close to making my varsity team in my sophomore year, and our vars team is one of the best in our league

Not sure how to reply on that one. Were you bragging or insulting me? Because I played a lot of guys at State and Sectionals who have been playing for over 20+ years. So I guess we all suck. lol

Anyways back to some more videos. This was taken today after a day off from rain. I was hitting a lot better today.
Well it felt like I was anyways
Let me know what you guys think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_icire77nsw
 
Im a 4.0 and Ive been playing a year...Not to sound like a jerk lol

S.S.

So you made it to 4.0 with no coaching and playing the same group of guys for 1 year?

Not to sound like a jerk but he is right, not many make it to 4.0 in just two years with no coaching and no tournament play. Hell we got 1000's of guys who have played 20+ years in 3.5
I'm here to get some advice on my strokes not measure my e-peen with all you pro's


I never have been coached so my strokes look ugly to a lot of you guys who have only played one or two years with coaching. So cut me some slack :)
 

10ACE

Professional
I love the NTRP rating, I go and play in the North East NY and CT and these guys rate themselves 4.0, and they play like a Florida 3.0 mayyyybe 3.5
 
So you made it to 4.0 with no coaching and playing the same group of guys for 1 year?

Not to sound like a jerk but he is right, not many make it to 4.0 in just two years with no coaching and no tournament play. Hell we got 1000's of guys who have played 20+ years in 3.5
I'm here to get some advice on my strokes not measure my e-peen with all you pro's


I never have been coached so my strokes look ugly to a lot of you guys who have only played one or two years with coaching. So cut me some slack :)

True that...I didnt mean for it to seem like I was chastising you or anything so my fault. It was just a statement. But I pretty much agree with previous posters which is why I havent posted any advice...Effort rewards, man so just keep at it!

S.S.
 

fruitytennis1

Professional
True to what ace is saying from place to play ntrp varies alot!!!!.

These forhands are better by the way cleaner and more flowing. Your finish still shows that your thinking about how you hit. Try this dont think about how you hit just aim where you want it to go thats probably the swing your gonna want to use when your really playing. Note the (probably!!!!!!)
 
True that...I didnt mean for it to seem like I was chastising you or anything so my fault. It was just a statement. But I pretty much agree with previous posters which is why I havent posted any advice...Effort rewards, man so just keep at it!

S.S.

Thanks, for the encouragement. It's hard fixing things you have been doing for 2 years. Videos really have helped me try and fix some of these problems.

Just wish I could afford lessons :cry:
 
Thanks, for the encouragement. It's hard fixing things you have been doing for 2 years. Videos really have helped me try and fix some of these problems.

Just wish I could afford lessons :cry:

I am so with you.. Other people I know spend more than a thousand dollars a year in tennis and I just can't afford that..:(
You found the right place for help though.
 
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