The vid was really about a continental grip turned a bit to the bh. A poster in that thread had asked how one could hit fh volleys with the grip so I made the vidLooks good. Why did your hitting partner hit all but the last one to your forehand?
Yikes. How do i stop the take back?Backhand volley looks solid!
Forehand volley... well, you're breaking the golden rule of volleying on many of them: Always keep your racquet in front of your body!
Compare your forehand volley take-back (where you sometimes reach behind you) with Venus's in the sequence below. Notice that her hand starts in front of her body, stays in front, and then goes forward from there.
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/the-volley-and-the-open-racket-face.421804/
I see - maybe your regular conti volley is out in front more?The vid was really about a continental grip turned a bit to the bh. A poster in that thread had asked how one could hit fh volleys with the grip so I made the vid
Doubtful. I think the one in the vid is better for hitting further back and may be a bad idea if so. Hit it better but that may be because it masks the flawed takkeback moreI see - maybe your regular conti volley is out in front more?
Yikes. How do i stop the take back?
Silver lining is at least that grip is great for your backhand volley. That last bh volley at the end of the vid is textbook step in weight transfer.Doubtful. I think the one in the vid is better for hitting further back and may be a bad idea if so. Hit it better but that may be because it masks the flawed takkeback more
Backhand was always better. Could out volley the fh with a clip board i bet. I will try to hit more out in front and see.Silver lining is at least that grip is great for your backhand volley. That last bh volley at the end of the vid is textbook step in weight transfer.
Yikes. How do i stop the take back?
Yikes. How do i stop the take back?
Jesus Christ. Stand still and keep the racquet head up.
J
Its why my volley is a shadow of its former self. Nothing got by me but now I have been focusing so much on the forehand ground stroke I hit volleys open stance. Maybe I should start a “Myth of the closed volley” thread.It's a bit hard to tell from the angle but it looked like you could hit further out in front. It appears that you like to hit forehand volleys with a mostly open stance. It would have been nice to see a few with a closed stance and the racquet further out in front.
Its why my volley is a shadow of its former self. Nothing got by me but now I have been focusing so much on the forehand ground stroke I hit volleys open stance. Maybe I should start a “Myth of the closed volley” thread.
I can try that I suppose. Though it seems like it will just be drop volleys. I dont exactly get much trampoline from the stringbed and gripping loose will be interesting. Will tryYeah, your bh is far quieter than your fh. You snap your wrist a lot at your fh. My guess is that you are trying to generate underspin? If so, the effects of underpin isn't much compared to the introduction of Miss-hits. Most volleys are hit with an open racquet face, regardless. Accept the amount of underpin the open face gives and also the subtraction of miss-hits.
You and virtually everyone who started playing as an adult try to actively hit volleys. Volleys are touch shots. Start by blocking the ball like a hockey goalie. You'll soon see that you have time to add shoulder turn and then stepping. Volley with a soft touch.
if your grip doesn't slip when going from backhand volley to forehand, you are holding the racquet too tightly.
I can try that I suppose. Though it seems like it will just be drop volleys. I dont exactly get much trampoline from the stringbed and gripping loose will be interesting. Will try
You have a typical issue with most people, "lazy feet syndrome", because you wait for the ball to come to you rather than come meet the ball at your ideal contact zone.any tips appreciated
Jolly you are a terrible coach:Jesus Christ. Stand still and keep the racquet head up.
Do less. A lot less.
J
Jolly you are a terrible coach:
Ooooooooh. Do tell Jo11yWell, now you are ready for part 2.
J
on preventing backswings...any tips appreciated
howz your day job at bikini bottom, mr crab?Keep the day job.
You have a typical issue with most people, "lazy feet syndrome", because you wait for the ball to come to you rather than come meet the ball at your ideal contact zone.
You wait for the ball to drop below the net then have to hit up as a defensive volley whereas if you take half a step forward it can be an offensive volley.
Same with high volley.
Its a good point. My volley started getting worse the moment someone told me it wasnt nice to hit winners off the feed...One thing about practicing volleys with someone at the baseline - you're trying to keep things going so you're hitting back to the other person. Every once in a while you can smash away but the goal of keeping things going means that you may not be as aggressive with your footwork.
Ugh. My natural inclination is to close and get on top of the net. But I have been aboiding that because I get lobbed to death.You have a typical issue with most people, "lazy feet syndrome", because you wait for the ball to come to you rather than come meet the ball at your ideal contact zone.
You wait for the ball to drop below the net then have to hit up as a defensive volley whereas if you take half a step forward it can be an offensive volley.
Same with high volley.
One thing about practicing volleys with someone at the baseline - you're trying to keep things going so you're hitting back to the other person. Every once in a while you can smash away but the goal of keeping things going means that you may not be as aggressive with your footwork.
I can try. I dont the feel thing though. Sure I understand the ball sinking into the strings but the ball is gone by then so what. And fwiw I think i do grip loose. Def not a death gripYes, drop volleys at first. You'll be holding the racquet strings in front of the ball, waiting. After you learn you can volley without swinging, then you can slowly add bits of power: shoulder turn, racquet movement, stepping. It will depend on the pace of the incoming shot.
The goalie setup will always be useful for reflex volleys. Get your strings in front of the ball and aim them. Slower incoming balls can be hit firmer, with more movement, but don't chop at it. Racquet head open and nudge the ball. As if you were bouncing the ball on the ground with your racquet. Volleys are about placement first to win; then add power to Showboat.
A looser grip adds feel. A tight grip gives the racquet a board-like feeling. Not controllable.
you should always be aggressive with your footwork... how hard you hit the ball back depends on your feel (ie. letting the ball win the collision).One thing about practicing volleys with someone at the baseline - you're trying to keep things going so you're hitting back to the other person. Every once in a while you can smash away but the goal of keeping things going means that you may not be as aggressive with your footwork.
when volleying i like to think i'm using a butterfly net, and i'm just trying to catch the ballIts a good point. My volley started getting worse the moment someone told me it wasnt nice to hit winners off the feed...
when volleying i like to think i'm using a butterfly net, and i'm just trying to catch the ball
lol, that's just mean.That's funny: when I catch butterflies I like to think I'm using a tennis racquet and I'm just trying to smash them.
IMO this is wrong thinking and keeps players swinging away and increasing their errors. That someone was right!! The intermediate wants to close the net so he's right on top and can swing away and the ball will still go in. He thinks every volley should end the point. He's masking crap technique by crowding the net. See it all the time, esp. in warmups Not saying you have crap technique, but you're fighting the "smash away" mentality a bit I feel. Indeed you should be able to pop your volley deep to your baseline partner every d*mn time, even as he keeps cranking up the pace. Have him blast rockets right at you. Pop them right back. In a live ball situation, provided you've made a good approach the fact that you're at net means you just need to control the ball back with placement, not pace, you've already robbed them of time, and you win or take control of the point.Its a good point. My volley started getting worse the moment someone told me it wasnt nice to hit winners off the feed...
+1 wall forces you to take no backswingAnother tip. Volley against a wall. Try to maintain the ball "in play", with no or few bounces. It forces you to stay out front with your racket, minimize extraneous motion, you have no time for the big takeback. Currently your fh contact point is always too far back and to your side, rarely out front. Also if you swing and smack it hard against the wall you'll hit a winner on yourself won't maintain the ball in play. Also helps with half- volley feel, as inevitably a volley falls short and you one-hop it back into play.
Aggressive footwork just means you get into an ideal position earlier where the ball is as high as possible so that you have more control of your placement and pace which would make it a higher percentage shot. If anything your volley is going to be crisp and keeps the rally longer and nothing prevents you to take a step back to a more neutral position if that's you prefer.One thing about practicing volleys with someone at the baseline - you're trying to keep things going so you're hitting back to the other person. Every once in a while you can smash away but the goal of keeping things going means that you may not be as aggressive with your footwork.
If you get lobbed often then more reason to be more offensive at net to rob them time and keep them off balance. It should be 1,2,3...if you let them have a fourth shot you are toast.Ugh. My natural inclination is to close and get on top of the net. But I have been aboiding that because I get lobbed to death.
Its like I am screwed either way.
Imo don't get hung up on footwork. If you're volleying correctly the footwork will follow. As the pace increases on the incoming ball, often there is no time for any footwork, it's all racket work. Too often I see players lunging into a closed stance because they've been told this is the correct footwork, yet they aren't volleying a ball they need to move to. So they're trying to do all this stepping and crossing and they have no time for that. It's akin to swinging at the volley, extraneous motion that takes too long and results in being late. Wall volleying helps reduce unnecessary footwork too.Aggressive footwork just means you get into an ideal position earlier where the ball is as high as possible so that you have more control of your placement and pace which would make it a higher percentage shot. If anything your volley is going to be crisp and keeps the rally longer and nothing prevents you to take a step back to a more neutral position if that's you prefer.
In fact at times we practice volleys starting from the baseline and keep moving up. This way you have more area to cover which requires more aggressive footwork.
What you don't want is to be a pusher at net. The only defensive volley should be the first volley, and best way to deal with that...aggressive footwork.
I see people practice like the OP all the time but not sure how well it translates to match play.
Imo don't get hung up on footwork. If you're volleying correctly the footwork will follow. As the pace increases on the incoming ball, often there is no time for any footwork, it's all racket work. Too often I see players lunging into a closed stance because they've been told this is the correct footwork, yet they aren't volleying a ball they need to move to. So they're trying to do all this stepping and crossing and they have no time for that. It's akin to swinging at the volley, extraneous motion that takes too long and results in being late. Wall volleying helps reduce unnecessary footwork too.
That's exactly my point. The placement you talk about in a live ball situation is never" deep to your baseline partner". It is usually an angle into the open court. So hitting deep to the baseline down the middle shot after shot is training the wrong thing. Maybe it's good for doubles but my volley started sucking because I was hitting it deep down the middle in practice and then in matches. Never was hitting angles.IMO this is wrong thinking and keeps players swinging away and increasing their errors. That someone was right!! The intermediate wants to close the net so he's right on top and can swing away and the ball will still go in. He thinks every volley should end the point. He's masking crap technique by crowding the net. See it all the time, esp. in warmups Not saying you have crap technique, but you're fighting the "smash away" mentality a bit I feel. Indeed you should be able to pop your volley deep to your baseline partner every d*mn time, even as he keeps cranking up the pace. Have him blast rockets right at you. Pop them right back. In a live ball situation, provided you've made a good approach the fact that you're at net means you just need to control the ball back with placement, not pace, you've already robbed them of time, and you win or take control of the point.
That's exactly my point. The placement you talk about in a live ball situation is never" deep to your baseline partner". It is usually an angle into the open court. So hitting deep to the baseline down the middle shot after shot is training the wrong thing. Maybe it's good for doubles but my volley started sucking because I was hitting it deep down the middle in practice and then in matches. Never was hitting angles.
That's exactly my point. The placement you talk about in a live ball situation is never" deep to your baseline partner". It is usually an angle into the open court. So hitting deep to the baseline down the middle shot after shot is training the wrong thing. Maybe it's good for doubles but my volley started sucking because I was hitting it deep down the middle in practice and then in matches. Never was hitting angles.