What made Thiem so good against Big 3 ?

[mike danny]

The Meles factor.

Meles died with Thiem.

 

[DSH]

Meles died with Thiem.

Is Meles also Finnish like Thiem?

 

[mike danny]

Is Meles also Finnish like Thiem?

Even he lost hope so what does that say about the Next Gen?

 

[Red Rick]

In fairness, he didn't play the Federer Wawrinka dealt with. Against Nadal, absolutely.

I give Wawrinka 0 benefit of the doubt in this regard. It's not like Thiem played 2022 Fed. In every single match they ever played Federer outranked Wawrinka.

And even if you subscribe to the notion that Federer peaked between like 2004-2007ish, then Wawrinkas H2H with Federer is even more embarrassing than Roddicks, who was considered a meme matchup for Fed.

 

[mike danny]

I give Wawrinka 0 benefit of the doubt in this regard. It's not like Thiem played 2022 Fed. In every single match they ever played Federer outranked Wawrinka.

And even if you subscribe to the notion that Federer peaked between like 2004-2007ish, then Wawrinkas H2H with Federer is even more embarrassing than Roddicks, who was considered a meme matchup for Fed.

Thiem didn't play Fed 2015 and 2017, the one Wawrinka did poorly against. By 2019 Stan himself wasn't what he used to be so it became even easier for Fed to beat him.

 

[Thedesertfox]

To be honest, his head to head against Federer surprised me most. His game is really good to hurt Nadal and Djokovic, and even despite his terrible mentality, he managed to use it to beat them many times. Against Federer it should have been a terrible matchup IMO, but Thiem actually leads him 5-2.

Against old Roger. But still a decent record

 

[canta_Brian]

Thiem had a pretty impressive shot tolerance for someone who hits as big as he does. He was able to play defense and turn it into offense in a hurry. If everything was clicking then he could overpower and steal a match from them.

But on the whole his serve & return were both too subpar to consistently beat them. He had to redline from the baseline for 2-4 hours to get it done.

I fear this could be a similar issue for Alcaraz

 

[David Le]

Thiem. No contest

Really now? I would give the toss up at AO for both imo. WTF definitely Dimitrov but not by far margin. USO, Thiem takes it for sure. Now SW19 is obvious and so is RG.

 

[mahatma]

Timmy has a pretty decent record against the big 3. As i said before he had the biggest potential out of all so called next gens.
His records are as follows.
1) Thiem Djokovic 5-7 inc.2-2 at slams.
Thiem did good against Djokovic unlike hmm Tsitsipas. Even if he lost, the matches were usually close. Some great matches to watch- Thiem Novaxx 2019 Nitto, 2019 FO, 2020 Nitto

Thiem Rafa- 6-9 . Very respectable record against the greatest of all time. Inc. 1-5 at slams. However 4 GS matches took place in Paris where Rafa is almost unbeatable. He pushed him in New York and beat him in Australia 2020.
Great matches to watch- AO 2020, USO 2018

Thiem Roger- 5 2 Thiem. Thiem "owned" old Federer in 2019, defeating the latter 3 times in a row. INDIAN wells, Madrid and at WTF. They never met at slams though. I highly recommend Thiem x Federer indian wells. High quality match, one of the best i ve seen in IW.

So what do you think made Thiem so good ? He even had Djokovic in Melbourne 3 years ago on the ropes and Novaxx narrowly won.

Sneaky to add greatest of all time for the moonballer. Lol

The slam record exclusivity is going to go away in 2 days. I see

 

[paolo2143]

Timmy has a pretty decent record against the big 3. As i said before he had the biggest potential out of all so called next gens.
His records are as follows.
1) Thiem Djokovic 5-7 inc.2-2 at slams.
Thiem did good against Djokovic unlike hmm Tsitsipas. Even if he lost, the matches were usually close. Some great matches to watch- Thiem Novaxx 2019 Nitto, 2019 FO, 2020 Nitto

Thiem Rafa- 6-9 . Very respectable record against the greatest of all time. Inc. 1-5 at slams. However 4 GS matches took place in Paris where Rafa is almost unbeatable. He pushed him in New York and beat him in Australia 2020.
Great matches to watch- AO 2020, USO 2018

Thiem Roger- 5 2 Thiem. Thiem "owned" old Federer in 2019, defeating the latter 3 times in a row. INDIAN wells, Madrid and at WTF. They never met at slams though. I highly recommend Thiem x Federer indian wells. High quality match, one of the best i ve seen in IW.

So what do you think made Thiem so good ? He even had Djokovic in Melbourne 3 years ago on the ropes and Novaxx narrowly won.

Agree with a lot of what you said except you got Rafa and Novak mixed up as it is clear that Novak is greatest of all time not Rafa who is only the clay court goat

 

[chrischris]

Come back in top form in '23 Thiem.. Miss his game and variety.. Was great to watch against Nole.. Could outhit him.!

 

[Mustard]

WTF 2019 was pretty bad. Beats Federer and Djokovic, while Tsitsipas loses to Nadal, but doesn't win the title. And that's how Tsitsipas has his only big title on HC.

YEC 2020 was little better. Thiem beats Nadal and Djokovic with brilliant performances, and then loses to Medvedev. All 3 matches were good to watch.

 

[MeatTornado]

Come back in top form in '23 Thiem.. Miss his game and variety.. Was great to watch against Nole.. Could outhit him.!

He basically had the worst possible injury for a big hitter like himself. He'd almost be better off with a leg or lower body problem, even though those are usually much worse.

Right now he hits the ball like he doesn't trust his wrist to hold up. Same thing del Potro went through.

 

[metsman]

Thiem won a major needing Zverev to put in the choke of a lifetime. He was better than Zed/Med/Stef on clay but still couldn't do much against old Nadal, let's relax a bit. All three of those guys also won the WTF beating the big 3 as well so I don't see how Thiem did any better. They're all equally mediocre. Just because of his h2h against Federer? Old man had him on the ropes in 3 of those matches anyways or else it'd be reversed.

 

[Thedesertfox]

Thiem won a major needing Zverev to put in the choke of a lifetime. He was better than Zed/Med/Stef on clay but still couldn't do much against old Nadal, let's relax a bit. All three of those guys also won the WTF beating the big 3 as well so I don't see how Thiem did any better. They're all equally mediocre. Just because of his h2h against Federer? Old man had him on the ropes in 3 of those matches anyways or else it'd be reversed.

Even old Nadal is impossible to beat at RG finals. It is simply impossible.
2006, best version of Federer with a 92-5 record could not beat Rafa

 

[Mustard]

Thiem won a major needing Zverev to put in the choke of a lifetime.

Thiem came from 2 sets and a break down. Zverev led 5-3 in the fifth set, failed to serve it out, and Thiem served for it at 6-5 in the fifth set and also failed. The fifth set tiebreak saw many errors, but there was one clutch point that was decisive, which I believe was at 6-6 in the fifth set tiebreak. Zverev hit a serve, Thiem hit a great return and then cooly hit a passing shot. It was decisive, as Zverev then made yet another error at championship point down.