What NTRP level is this?

[BetaServe]

 

[LeeD]

SE Asian money tennis, 3.5- low 4.0.
Look bad, hit weak with weird spin, hardly ever miss.
Seen it played at 4.5 levels, but only in 100 degree weather or high swirling winds by fit great movers...not those 2.

 

[BetaServe]

lol definitely not 3.5
you should watch the video a bit longer
they seem to have high tennis IQ, experienced match players, just not super great movers, but their shot selection is great/smart
100% would beat guys like Curious

for example, watch the points at 30:33, 31:17, 13:34 or 17:09. Tell me if that's 3.5 level

 

[zill]

lol definitely not 3.5
you should watch the video a bit longer
they seem to have high tennis IQ, just not super great movers, but their shot selection is great
100% would beat guys like Curious

Would be a close one against @Curious Would be good to watch, contrasting styles.

 

[BetaServe]

@Curious stands zero chance, I'd bet $100 on these guys.

Watch the points at 30:33, 31:17, 13:34 or 17:09. Tell me if that's 3.5?

They have good shot selection/anticipation and hardly miss.

 

[LeeD]

Remember, this is tennis played for money, usually pocket change, but easily up to a few days wages.
Most 4.0's would destroy them in normal matches, but add cash money, hot temps or swirling winds, and they become much tougher to dismiss.
Yes, they look worse than most 3.5's.
Average 3.5's can hang in fun matches, but NOT when money get's involved.

 

[zill]

@Curious stands zero chance, I'd bet $100 on these guys.

Watch the points at 30:33, 31:17, 13:34 or 17:09. Tell me if that's 3.5?

They have good shot selection/anticipation and hardly miss.

@Curious shots are much more powerful though!

 

[BetaServe]

When playing matches most 3.5 players just try to hit balls, nothing is in their heads. These guys are different, they hit balls with a purpose. For example point at 34:47, can you imagine a 3.5 player hit shots like these?

 

[BetaServe]

@Curious shots are much more powerful though!

he'd make like 100 UEs and constantly be put in tough positions

 

[zill]

Remember, this is tennis played for money, usually pocket change, but easily up to a few days wages.
Most 4.0's would destroy them in normal matches, but add cash money, hot temps or swirling winds, and they become much tougher to dismiss.
Yes, they look worse than most 3.5's.
Average 3.5's can hang in fun matches, but NOT when money get's involved.

If played for money why is the young guy in thongs?

 

[zill]

he'd make like 100 UEs and constantly be put in tough positions

But he's fit.

 

[LeeD]

If played for money why is the young guy in thongs?

I've played in sandals. Specifically, Keens. Hiking shoe outsole, tight fit, slightly heavier than tennis shoes, but cooler in hot weather. Adaquate traction in you aren't Nadal.

 

[Mungo]

I can’t watch without SwingVision editing the downtime.

 

[BetaServe]

I can’t watch without SwingVision editing the downtime.

Use left/right arrow keys to skip downtime (if you're on your PC) or if you're on a phone double tap on the right side of the video to fast forward 10 secs

 

[coolvinny]

lol definitely not 3.5
you should watch the video a bit longer
they seem to have high tennis IQ, experienced match players, just not super great movers, but their shot selection is great/smart
100% would beat guys like Curious

for example, watch the points at 30:33, 31:17, 13:34 or 17:09. Tell me if that's 3.5 level

Higher than 3.5? Please. That’s ridiculous.

 

[BetaServe]

Higher than 3.5? Please. That’s ridiculous.

Yes. Higher than 3.5. You're clearly not experienced enough if you think this is below 4.0.

 

[coolvinny]

Yes. Higher than 3.5. You're clearly not experienced enough if you think this is below 4.0.

Welcome to my ignore list.

 

[BetaServe]

Seen it played at 4.5 levels, but only in 100 degree weather or high swirling winds by fit great movers...not those 2.

This is probably 4.5

 

[LeeD]

Have you doubters ever actually played tennis for money?
Like shell out 20 bucks, then play one set?
Your normal hard hitting game disappears...or you lose in 20 minutes.
Pushers, slicers, and oddball hitters play their normal game.
You have to adjust and adapt your game. Unless you play those guys all the time.

 

[Bambooman]

3.0 tops. A few apparently outstanding shots do not represent your level. Nor does money make the level higher. It drags it down.

 

[BetaServe]

3.0 tops. A few apparently outstanding shots do not represent your level. Nor does money make the level higher. It drags it down.

 

[Bambooman]

This is probably 4.5

Where? North Sentinel Island?

 

[zill]

This is probably 4.5

On the verge of 5.0 I think

 

[Rosstour]

Why the fk are we watching tennis in flip flops?

 

[Bambooman]

You're right. I was a bit too generous.

 

[FuzzyYellowBalls]

lol definitely not 3.5
you should watch the video a bit longer
they seem to have high tennis IQ, experienced match players, just not super great movers, but their shot selection is great/smart
100% would beat guys like Curious

for example, watch the points at 30:33, 31:17, 13:34 or 17:09. Tell me if that's 3.5 level

Watched a little, 3.5, for one thing because one of them serves from a doubles position while playing singles, another, using your timestamp 13:34, 80% of 4.0 players would put away a couple of those easy floaters the net guy (in pants) was getting fed

 

[LeeD]

3.0 tops. A few apparently outstanding shots do not represent your level. Nor does money make the level higher. It drags it down.

Exactly the point!
Ringers who can volley...not for winners, but to make the other guy RUN, and tap overheads to the open court are NOT your typical 3.0-3.5. 3-3.5's are asking how to volley, and miss overheads by hitting beyond their skill level.
As you agree...playing for your wallet money BRINGS DOWN the level of tennis. Sun hat dude is a money player...maybe 3.5, but can give inexperienced 4.0's some problems.
Of course, an experienced 4.0 would win 6-2.

 

[Bambooman]

I meant a 3.0 when not playing for money.

 

[FuzzyYellowBalls]

Have you doubters ever actually played tennis for money?
Like shell out 20 bucks, then play one set?
Your normal hard hitting game disappears...or you lose in 20 minutes.
Pushers, slicers, and oddball hitters play their normal game.
You have to adjust and adapt your game. Unless you play those guys all the time.

$20? Um, I mean maybe I would slightly change how I play if it was $2,000? But, anyway, are you their friend or brother or making a movie about tennis hustlers for Netflix?

 

[eah123]

High 3.0 or low 3.5. Some pretty good rallies from these self-taught guys.

 

[LeeD]

Most 3.5's are asking...."how to volley".
Sunhat dude is beyond that. Maybe not 4.0, but he can volley, tap overheads, and hit to the open court.
His opponent only hits toward backhand side, so lower rating.

 

[LeeD]

$20? Um, I mean maybe I would slightly change how I play if it was $2,000? But, anyway, are you their friend or brother or making a movie about tennis hustlers for Netflix?

Yeah that's some puffy chest talk....
Have YOU ever played for money?

 

[FuzzyYellowBalls]

Yeah that's some puffy chest talk....
Have YOU ever played for money?

I've won about $500 max in small tournaments, some college scholarship money for tennis, so yes, sort of. I'm 6'4", I'm smashing the **** out of those net floaters, playing for money or not, my game wouldn't change.

 

[LeeD]

So you haven't.
Even I played "money tournaments". I lost early.
But meeting some dude at the local park and playing for 20 bucks is a whole different animal.

 

[Fintft]

High 3.0 or low 3.5. Some pretty good rallies from these self-taught guys.

Yeah.
Plus they walk around too much.

 

[graycrait]

Why did I even watch this video? If they are not playing in Crocs they are wrong! High heels would have been more interesting...

 

[mnttlrg]

Goofy hat 3.0,
black shirt low 4.0 or maybe a strong 3.5

This was a relatively quick assessment, so I'd be curious how accurate it actually was.

 

[eah123]

Goofy hat 3.0,
black shirt low 4.0 or maybe a strong 3.5

This was a relatively quick assessment, so I'd be curious how accurate it actually was.

I’m pretty sure these guys would get a self rating of 2.5.

 

[FuzzyYellowBalls]

So you haven't.
Even I played "money tournaments". I lost early.
But meeting some dude at the local park and playing for 20 bucks is a whole different animal.

What? You think it's more pressure to play for $20, I wouldn't change my game just because $20 was on the line. I still need to know, why are you so interested in all this, are you in the video or something, is that your dad in the pants? What's going on here really?

 

[LeeD]

I paid entry fees as high as $125 back in the late '70's. Most were $75, still high for then.
Totally different than playing one set for 20 bucks.

 

[Curious]

he'd make like 100 UEs and constantly be put in tough positions

Not anymore after my recent UTR experience of 18 singles matches. I’m a different player now.

 

[PrinceMoron]

It is tennis Jim, but not as we know it

 

[pencilcheck]

lol definitely not 3.5
you should watch the video a bit longer
they seem to have high tennis IQ, experienced match players, just not super great movers, but their shot selection is great/smart
100% would beat guys like Curious

for example, watch the points at 30:33, 31:17, 13:34 or 17:09. Tell me if that's 3.5 level

literally asian MEP. those will beat tons of "fake" 4.5 on youtube. And might be able to win tons of 4.5 matches. they might have some interesting match play against MEP.

 

[Bambooman]

Now I think you guys are pulling my leg like you did with MEP being a 4.0-4.5.

 

[FuzzyYellowBalls]

literally asian MEP. those will beat tons of "fake" 4.5 on youtube. And might be able to win tons of 4.5 matches. they might have some interesting match play against MEP.

Nope.

 

[LeeD]

What? You think it's more pressure to play for $20, I wouldn't change my game just because $20 was on the line. I still need to know, why are you so interested in all this, are you in the video or something, is that your dad in the pants? What's going on here really?

Long pants guy could be my son.
His younger opponent, my grandson.
And he could have his own kids.

 

[ChaelAZ]

I'd guess...

55+ 4.0.
40+ Strong 3.5 or low 4.0
18+ Strong 3.5

As much consistency, there are also a whole lot of UE's on mostly non-driven balls.

Depending on the day though, could be a little lower or higher.

So what are their actual UTR's or NTRP's?

 

[Jay_The_Nomad]

So if 20 bucks reduces these 4.0s/3.5s fellas to 1.0 level tennis, what do you think will happen if the 1 million dollar Kyrgios/Tomic grudge match ever comes to pass?

 

[Bambooman]

Long pants guy could be my son.
His younger opponent, my grandson.
And he could have his own kids.

You should be a better coach to family.

 

[Bambooman]

So if 20 bucks reduces these 4.0s/3.5s fellas to 1.0 level tennis, what do you think will happen if the 1 million dollar Kyrgios/Tomic grudge match ever comes to pass?

The weird thing is that guys on here think it actually looks like higher level tennis.