What was with Rafa's outburst at the changeover in the third?

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He just randomly hits his leg, once with a towel. What exactly happened? Or was it all frustration?
 
OddJack

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Miami does that for some reason. Rodge smashed his Racket Rafa hit his knee



Poor ball boy goes back one step, scared.


What happened was frustration, what else? It has been too long since he won a title, he wanted it really bad, with his uncle looking on.

Rodge was able to come back from his mental break down. Can Nadal do the same?

We will know soon, it is clay season after all.
 
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bertrevert

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Seems to me he was p'd off about the way the match was going, he wasn't gesturing to his opponent, but rather looking across the court from where he was seated to prob his team, Uncle T et al?
 
OddJack

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^^^ Or could it be he is hitting his knee because it's what is failing him?
Maybe he was in pain, couldnt move the way he wanted to because of injury.
 
namelessone

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OddJack said:
Miami does that for some reason. Rodge smashed his Racket Rafa hit his knee



Poor ball boy goes back one step, scared.


What happened was frustration, what else? It has been too long since he won a title, he wanted it really bad, with his uncle looking on.

Rodge was able to come back from his mental break down. Can Nadal do the same?

We will know soon, it is clay season after all.
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I did not see Tony at this tourney or at least they did not show him.
 
namelessone

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OddJack said:
^^^ Or could it be he is hitting his knee because it's what is failing him?
Maybe he was in pain, couldnt move the way he wanted to because of injury.
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I don't think so,he moved fine,it is just that he looked as flat as andy's forehand in the third set and he was all like "come on,why the hell are you losing like this again". Sure,I guess he could have been looking at his box and hitting his knee in desperation while having some hidden problem but he did not show it in this match or in the previous rounds.

Nadal himself knows that Nadal 2007(nevermind 08') would not have lost three straight SF/F while being one set up. It doesn't mean it can't happen but doha,IW and Miami were basically identical scenarios with Rafa failing mentally.
He probably wanted to hit his head but decided against it:)

Also,from what I know,he is highly critical of himself and has been taught as a kid that when he misses/loses it is always his fault,so this outburst might be Nadal "punishing" himself since he has no one to blame.

Funny bit: on the changeover after Rafa's incident,Andy was giving him somespace,he could see how pissed off Rafa was. I did not see this bit but I saw it was reported on a couple of tennis sites.
 
OddJack

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namelessone said:
I don't think so,he moved fine,it is just that he looked as flat as andy's forehand in the third set and he was all like "come on,why the hell are you losing like this again". Sure,I guess he could have been looking at his box and hitting his knee in desperation while having some hidden problem but he did not show it in this match or in the previous rounds.

Nadal himself knows that Nadal 2007(nevermind 08') would not have lost three straight SF/F while being one set up. It doesn't mean it can't happen but doha,IW and Miami were basically identical scenarios with Rafa failing mentally.
He probably wanted to hit his head but decided against it:)

Also,from what I know,he is highly critical of himself and has been taught as a kid that when he misses/loses it is always his fault,so this outburst might be Nadal "punishing" himself since he has no one to blame.

Funny bit: on the changeover after Rafa's incident,Andy was giving him somespace,he could see how pissed off Rafa was. I did not see this bit but I saw it was reported on a couple of tennis sites.
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You know, I am not convinced that his problems are only mental. This guys game is built around grinding and he looks pale and smaller to me. Why does he win the first and then goes down on the second and 3rd?
people praised his game against Tsonga the other night and labeled it his best performance this year, but I disagreed. He struggled in almost each an every of his service games, looked out of breath and exhausted. Tsonga actually had more break point chances in 2 sets than Roddick had in three, yet he couldnt convert even one. Nadal received too much help from him.

Nadal is going to take his frustration with him on clay, thinking it is now his domain and tries to steam roll each and every opponent which will work against him.
This Nadal cannot last for best of 5 for 7 matches and not because of his mental issues, but because of his physical ones.
 
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Knightmace

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OddJack said:
Miami does that for some reason. Rodge smashed his Racket Rafa hit his knee



Poor ball boy goes back one step, scared.


What happened was frustration, what else? It has been too long since he won a title, he wanted it really bad, with his uncle looking on.

Rodge was able to come back from his mental break down. Can Nadal do the same?

We will know soon, it is clay season after all.
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Federer has also smashes his racquet at miami 2005
 
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forthegame

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Angry, releasing pent up emotion and stress.
Now that he's had a vent, sure he'll be better.
He has to believe, maybe play a 'lesser tournament' to gain much needed victory.
 
rovex

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lol. Never seen Nadal do that before!

I think he realises how many Semis his made but still can't win a title even if he's played his best.

Oh, and LOL at the kid holding the umbrella moving back a step in order to "keep" a safe distance. :lol:
 
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OddJack said:
You know, I am not convinced that his problems are only mental. This guys game is built around grinding and he looks pale and smaller to me. Why does he win the first and then goes down on the second and 3rd?
people praised his game against Tsonga the other night and labeled it his best performance this year, but I disagreed. He struggled in almost each an every of his service games, looked out of breath and exhausted. Tsonga actually had more break point chances in 2 sets than Roddick had in three, yet he couldnt convert even one. Nadal received too much help from him.

Nadal is going to take his frustration with him on clay, thinking it is now his domain and tries to steam roll each and every opponent which will work against him.
This Nadal cannot last for best of 5 for 7 matches and not because of his mental issues, but because of his physical ones.
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I think you're right, which is why he should upgrade that plastic toy racket that he uses. hes not physically fit enough to overcome the disadvantage of playing with that hollow plastic toy any more. He needed to be 50% fitter than everyone else to be able to do it in the first place. He needs to upgrade to a more traditional solid racket that gives him more value for his shots(Give Agassi a call?-Agassi said that when he tried Nadal's racket it was like swinging a noodle or something along those lines) so that he doesn't burn himself out swinging like crazy with that toy. Roddick was just grinding and Nadal still couldn't finish him. Nadal cant get enough THUMP on the ball consistently over a long match with that hollow toy racket he uses, even against guys like Roddick which he should be blowing off the court from the baseline, and its frustrating him and making him lose confidence
 
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Lotto

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He should really play Estoril...even though Roger is playing he'd probably make the final and then it would be interesting given Roger's recent form. Hopefully that will pick up.
 
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he should play Monte Carlo and Rome and thats it. Then the french open. No need to overplay unlike last season.
 
roundiesee

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TheNatural said:
I think you're right, which is why he should upgrade that plastic toy racket that he uses. hes not physically fit enough to overcome the disadvantage of playing with that hollow plastic toy any more. He needed to be 50% fitter than everyone else to be able to do it in the first place. He needs to upgrade to a more traditional solid racket that gives him more value for his shots(Give Agassi a call?-Agassi said that when he tried Nadal's racket it was like swinging a noodle or something along those lines) so that he doesn't burn himself out swinging like crazy with that toy. Roddick was just grinding and Nadal still couldn't finish him. Nadal cant get enough THUMP on the ball consistently over a long match with that hollow toy racket he uses, even against guys like Roddick which he should be blowing off the court from the baseline, and its frustrating him and making him lose confidence
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But he's been using this Babolat model for so long, is he able to/willing to change to a different one? Pros in general are animals of habit. Look how Sampras stubbornly stuck to his small headed Wilson for the French Open, only to finally admit his "mistake" in his later years in his biography.
 
rovex

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He hit the same place where he had the knee problem in the AO QF against Murray. It's strange, because it seems as though the pain is above knee and the lower part of the leg.
 
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TheNatural said:
I think you're right, which is why he should upgrade that plastic toy racket that he uses. hes not physically fit enough to overcome the disadvantage of playing with that hollow plastic toy any more. He needed to be 50% fitter than everyone else to be able to do it in the first place. He needs to upgrade to a more traditional solid racket that gives him more value for his shots(Give Agassi a call?-Agassi said that when he tried Nadal's racket it was like swinging a noodle or something along those lines) so that he doesn't burn himself out swinging like crazy with that toy. Roddick was just grinding and Nadal still couldn't finish him. Nadal cant get enough THUMP on the ball consistently over a long match with that hollow toy racket he uses, even against guys like Roddick which he should be blowing off the court from the baseline, and its frustrating him and making him lose confidence
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Personally I don't think it is the racquet....it is either/both between the ears or a physical problem...Rafa's camp is good at keeping things vague so we will never know. When Fed had his problems last year, people were saying "the racquet, the racquet, he needs to use a midplus". Since then after winning 2 slams, not a peep about his racquet. I think the same goes for Rafa. There is something clearly going on between Rafa's ears....divorce...tendonitis....maybe...no?
 
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Fedfan1234

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The fact that he hit his leg is probably because he was just angry at the way he was moving on the court. The fact that he hasn't won a tournament in such a long time and that he is fit and this close to winning one again made a little angry. I can understand his frustration.
I don't think he was moving that bad,
I just think players like Murray, Djoker, Roddick, Del Potro etc. will always be better on HC when they are playing well. The fact that Nadal did this good on HC up to now is amazing, but this does not make him better on this surface than these HC specialists.
Nadal will make a good recovery on clay, that is IF he does not get injured again. He will probably win RG again this season.
 
samprasvsfederer123

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it was obviously frustration that he tried so hard he hasnt won in a long time and he had a good run but it was ended unexpectendly by the former world's number 1 and former us open champion ANDY RODDICK.
 
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Rafa will lose 2nd round in Monte Carlo, semis of Rome, and win Madrid, defeating Roger 6-4 6-4. Thomaz Belluci will defeat Roger in the 4th rd of RG in 4 sets, and Rafa will straight set Belluci in the final. Then, he will play Djokovic in an epic 5 setter at the Wimbledon final, only to have Djokovic lose and feel the pain once again.
 
namelessone

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Mansewerz said:
Rafa will lose 2nd round in Monte Carlo, semis of Rome, and win Madrid, defeating Roger 6-4 6-4. Thomaz Belluci will defeat Roger in the 4th rd of RG in 4 sets, and Rafa will straight set Belluci in the final. Then, he will play Djokovic in an epic 5 setter at the Wimbledon final, only to have Djokovic lose and feel the pain once again.
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Role revearsal much:) ?

But seriously,Nadal needs a break on clay.
 
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Rafa lost due to the following reasons: a). His wisdom tooth bothered him b). Shakira was not in the crowd and he lost focus c). The bugs on the court were distracting him d). His underpants were too tight and he had trouble picking the wedgie out.
 
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TheNatural said:
I think you're right, which is why he should upgrade that plastic toy racket that he uses. hes not physically fit enough to overcome the disadvantage of playing with that hollow plastic toy any more. He needed to be 50% fitter than everyone else to be able to do it in the first place. He needs to upgrade to a more traditional solid racket that gives him more value for his shots(Give Agassi a call?-Agassi said that when he tried Nadal's racket it was like swinging a noodle or something along those lines) so that he doesn't burn himself out swinging like crazy with that toy. Roddick was just grinding and Nadal still couldn't finish him. Nadal cant get enough THUMP on the ball consistently over a long match with that hollow toy racket he uses, even against guys like Roddick which he should be blowing off the court from the baseline, and its frustrating him and making him lose confidence
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I seriously do wonder if you even watch these matches or even play tennis. Nadal recently already made a string change from Duralast to whatever string he has, very likely to add a little bit of power to his game.
 
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batz said:
Fair enoguh. I won't argue with you mate - I thought I saw the camera pannning in on Tony sitting next to the other Spanish guy that travels with them.
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You are correct. I saw him too. They held the image for a few long seconds and he looked concerned. Perhaps he was "officially" not there.
 
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dennis1188

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looked like alot of closely played points. Roddick more effective on his approaches (down the middle and deep) w/ much less angle for Nadel to hit his favorite passing shots. Also, Nadel seemed to b a little bit slower than before injury.
 
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bolo

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Some frustration there. Roddick changed up his game (more net approaches, flatter forehand) and nadal had no good response. He needed a few more free points on his serve yesterday.
 
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TheNatural said:
I think you're right, which is why he should upgrade that plastic toy racket that he uses. hes not physically fit enough to overcome the disadvantage of playing with that hollow plastic toy any more. He needed to be 50% fitter than everyone else to be able to do it in the first place. He needs to upgrade to a more traditional solid racket that gives him more value for his shots(Give Agassi a call?-Agassi said that when he tried Nadal's racket it was like swinging a noodle or something along those lines) so that he doesn't burn himself out swinging like crazy with that toy. Roddick was just grinding and Nadal still couldn't finish him. Nadal cant get enough THUMP on the ball consistently over a long match with that hollow toy racket he uses, even against guys like Roddick which he should be blowing off the court from the baseline, and its frustrating him and making him lose confidence
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That "hollow plastic toy" has a SW of 356 or thereabout, same as Federer's.
 
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Nadal had an off-day - simple as that. It may have been his wisdom tooth, constipation, or some other type of distraction or injury.
 
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yes after watching final set rafa had his chances in third set but he wasn't confident or confuse or not 100&.. god & he knows what it is..

but one thing is for sure if roddick hit his forehand like that only chance of winning another major
 
Semi-Pro

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Nadal had a break down, so what? Federer had one last year incidentally at the same tournament. Tennis players are humans also, they have nerves, feelings and have the right to get pissed off in which ever way they like.
 
Talker

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Probably nothing more than being frustrated, he's shown that emotion a few times now, once during the UO against JDMP he hit his leg with his fist after missing a shot.
Not really an outburst though.
 
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Olorin

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Nadal showed arrogance with his outburst. How dare he show frustration when he played like ****.

Arrogant son of a *****.
 
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rafa injured his thigh in the Shakira video and he was angry that it was the reason he lost in the Semis again....
 
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TheNatural said:
I think you're right, which is why he should upgrade that plastic toy racket that he uses. hes not physically fit enough to overcome the disadvantage of playing with that hollow plastic toy any more. He needed to be 50% fitter than everyone else to be able to do it in the first place. He needs to upgrade to a more traditional solid racket that gives him more value for his shots(Give Agassi a call?-Agassi said that when he tried Nadal's racket it was like swinging a noodle or something along those lines) so that he doesn't burn himself out swinging like crazy with that toy. Roddick was just grinding and Nadal still couldn't finish him. Nadal cant get enough THUMP on the ball consistently over a long match with that hollow toy racket he uses, even against guys like Roddick which he should be blowing off the court from the baseline, and its frustrating him and making him lose confidence
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This is one of the most ridiculous posts I've seen.
 
swordtennis

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TheNatural said:
I think you're right, which is why he should upgrade that plastic toy racket that he uses. hes not physically fit enough to overcome the disadvantage of playing with that hollow plastic toy any more. He needed to be 50% fitter than everyone else to be able to do it in the first place. He needs to upgrade to a more traditional solid racket that gives him more value for his shots(Give Agassi a call?-Agassi said that when he tried Nadal's racket it was like swinging a noodle or something along those lines) so that he doesn't burn himself out swinging like crazy with that toy. Roddick was just grinding and Nadal still couldn't finish him. Nadal cant get enough THUMP on the ball consistently over a long match with that hollow toy racket he uses, even against guys like Roddick which he should be blowing off the court from the baseline, and its frustrating him and making him lose confidence
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This post deserves a place in the TTHOF. LMAO!:)
 
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