Fed's GOAT status at stake today?
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cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
LOL, it is so nauseating. No matter what happens with Fed in the future, no player is even close to beating most of Roger's records or achieving the success that he has had. When Rafa or Djokovic get to 14 slams let me know because then and only then will I start to get worried that Roger's slam record is in jeopardy. Otherwise, yawn......
Nadal
By that logic, if Nadal loses to Djokovic tomorrow then he is done also?
By that logic, if Nadal loses to Djokovic tomorrow then he is done also?
cork_screw
Hall of Fame
Pointless thread. Fed is 29 years old. And soon approaching 30. You can't expect him to perform the same he did when he was at his peak many years ago. So if he's still playing at 32 and losing more matches will you bring up the same thread? If your performance didn't go down at age, maybe you would have an argument. The fact you're comparing a 29 year old with a 23 year old, show lack of insight. There are guys who are retired like Safin who are roughly the same age as fed. The fact that he's still out there competing and ranked now #3 shows a lot. Roddick for instance is in the same boat and he's ranked #8. Fed has never dropped below #3 since he was 21. So for 8 years he's remained top 3 or higher shows his remarkable achievement. It's funny how you factored out his age and you're comparing him to someone who is approaching his peak. Also, Djokovic is no hack, he lost to someone who hasn't been defeated this point in the season. So what are you arguing about again? Pointless thread, enough said.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
No, but his win/loss ratio goes down.
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
Let me know what Nadal's win-loss ratio is after 27 years and onwards.LOLz.
Pwned
Hall of Fame
? Fed beat Novak three times in a row at the end of last year.
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
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TennisandMusic
Guest
I will handle it, no worries.
The official cutest post on all of TT award.
angiebaby
Semi-Pro
Fed still has his 16 GS titles. Statistically, he's the best ever. That's not going to change anytime soon.
I'm intrigued to see the sudden rash of 'Fed is 29 years old' statements. Of course age is a factor but a few short weeks ago, a lot of people were certain he'd win the AO, he was looking great, had easily scythed his way through the field at Doha, had finished off last year with momentum and on a high, etc. Now suddenly it's occurred to some that Fed is ageing? Bit of a handy excuse to be honest, because it's hard to disprove. But frankly I would have thought the age thing wouldn't affect him as much as it would other players. Injuries have not taken their toll on his body, he's still in great shape and he's still capable of producing brilliant tennis.
To me, it is simply a case of what goes up must come down, eventually. Be it age or whatever reason, the way of the universe is cyclical. Fed is not impervious to that as we are seeing more and more.
I'm intrigued to see the sudden rash of 'Fed is 29 years old' statements. Of course age is a factor but a few short weeks ago, a lot of people were certain he'd win the AO, he was looking great, had easily scythed his way through the field at Doha, had finished off last year with momentum and on a high, etc. Now suddenly it's occurred to some that Fed is ageing? Bit of a handy excuse to be honest, because it's hard to disprove. But frankly I would have thought the age thing wouldn't affect him as much as it would other players. Injuries have not taken their toll on his body, he's still in great shape and he's still capable of producing brilliant tennis.
To me, it is simply a case of what goes up must come down, eventually. Be it age or whatever reason, the way of the universe is cyclical. Fed is not impervious to that as we are seeing more and more.
I didn't see a champion out there yesterday. I saw someone who threw away opportunities.
But I think there is a deepr issue - Fed's subconscious fear of losing to Nadal will make him tank any semifinal match. That could explain the game in the 3rd set which ended with a DF and turned the match around.
But I think there is a deepr issue - Fed's subconscious fear of losing to Nadal will make him tank any semifinal match. That could explain the game in the 3rd set which ended with a DF and turned the match around.
Marius_Hancu
Talk Tennis Guru
You know how to count? 16.
4 Cincinnati titles.
I know that contributing to these threads is like urinating in an ocean of urine, but this time, I cannot resist.
G.O.A.T (Greatest of All Time) =/= G.O.E.S.M.E.P. (Greatest of Every Single Match Ever Played). He is allowed to have slumps, get off his back.
Yes, being 29 isn't really affecting him as much as many would claim, but it certainly is affecting his ability to consistantly bring his A game. When he was in the process of getting to 23 straight GS Semis, he brought his best to the court every time, but that is getting harder and harder with age, and anyone who has peaked will confirm this.
I almost think that people are so used to him winning that when he only gets to the semis, people are disappionted. Remember that getting to the Semis at a 1000 event is still a great result.
The end of his career isn't as impressive as the beginning, but that doesnt jeopardize his GOAT status. And I am tired of people saying he should have reitred after 16. Would you retire when you can still beat 99% of guys out there? It doesnt tarnish his career to keep playing past his prime. Rather, I think it would actually be worse for his reputation if he were to quit at the top.
G.O.A.T (Greatest of All Time) =/= G.O.E.S.M.E.P. (Greatest of Every Single Match Ever Played). He is allowed to have slumps, get off his back.
Yes, being 29 isn't really affecting him as much as many would claim, but it certainly is affecting his ability to consistantly bring his A game. When he was in the process of getting to 23 straight GS Semis, he brought his best to the court every time, but that is getting harder and harder with age, and anyone who has peaked will confirm this.
I almost think that people are so used to him winning that when he only gets to the semis, people are disappionted. Remember that getting to the Semis at a 1000 event is still a great result.
The end of his career isn't as impressive as the beginning, but that doesnt jeopardize his GOAT status. And I am tired of people saying he should have reitred after 16. Would you retire when you can still beat 99% of guys out there? It doesnt tarnish his career to keep playing past his prime. Rather, I think it would actually be worse for his reputation if he were to quit at the top.
Jesus ****ing christ... the man is pushing 30 and is 18-3 for the year.
QueenSeles
Banned
AND those 3 losses came to the best player in the world. Amazing.
TJfederer16
Hall of Fame
agreed, people don't seem to realize this, he's has technically played in 3 different eras, towards the end of the sampras agassi era, then his era of the safin, roddick, hewitt, ferrero and now this era with rafa, djokovic, murray, and he is still competing very well with them all.
Everything after wimbledon 09 has just been gravy for fed, what he has done since then just adds to his greatness.
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powerangle
Legend
Fed's GOAT status was at stake as much as Nadal's greatness status was at stake today....ie: not at all. Let's wait until Djoko wins his own career slam ala Fedal.
jackson vile
G.O.A.T.
The question now is; how will Federer fair as #3?
Novak does extremely well during the clay season as well.
Novak does extremely well during the clay season as well.
First off, is this Suresh from the Philadelphia area? If so, please stop posting. People will think even worse about our tennis knowlege.
Federer is still great, but he's about 90% of the player he was in his prime.
Because Joko at age 23 is beating Fed, who will be 30 soon--why does that indicate that Federer's greatness is at risk??? Roger is still top 3 in the world but he's a little past his prime.
That doesn't diminish the fact that he has accomplished more in his career than any player ever. It's just that simple. 16 major victories and what, like 28 semis or better in his last 32?? Are you serious?
He's won how many tournaments?
Come on, Roger is CLEARLY the best ever. Rafa could get there but needs a little more time. Joko needs to win a Wimbledon, a US Open and a French to even be in the conversation.
Federer is still great, but he's about 90% of the player he was in his prime.
Because Joko at age 23 is beating Fed, who will be 30 soon--why does that indicate that Federer's greatness is at risk??? Roger is still top 3 in the world but he's a little past his prime.
That doesn't diminish the fact that he has accomplished more in his career than any player ever. It's just that simple. 16 major victories and what, like 28 semis or better in his last 32?? Are you serious?
He's won how many tournaments?
Come on, Roger is CLEARLY the best ever. Rafa could get there but needs a little more time. Joko needs to win a Wimbledon, a US Open and a French to even be in the conversation.
Sartorius
Hall of Fame
I'm also intrigued whenever I see someone who appears to be a fair minded poster takes what she/he reads on this forum seriously. Who are these "a lot of people" really? This is the internet. You don't need to look too hard to find people who think Japan suffered an earthquake because of Pearl Harbor.
Precisely. And he's actually doing quite fine still.
Speranza
Hall of Fame
Holmes: Actually, the question isn't how Federer will fair as no.3, going into the clay season, but more so how will Ralph cope with Novak on clay? Novak in the past has performed better there than on grass. Federer isn't a concern for either on clay right now (and only was slightly at this peak). However, I bet Ralph will be secretly worried about meeting Novak on the red stuff.
One good thing about Federer being no. 3 is that we may get to see more Fedal matches.
I will play you 13 times on clay no
Novak is the best hard court player in the world now--there's no doubt. But, he needs to win the French, which will be the toughest for him, as he's had problems with his body breaking down over long, grueling matches.
If he wins the French, then I can see him possibly getting to double digit majors. But, if he flames out at Roland Garros, how is he a legitimate number 1? He'll stay at 2, where he probably belongs.
If he wins the French, then I can see him possibly getting to double digit majors. But, if he flames out at Roland Garros, how is he a legitimate number 1? He'll stay at 2, where he probably belongs.
Why don't just wait until Fed is 60 years old ? Then, the proof will be even more convincing.
Novak will win the Calendar Slam this year
hoodjem
G.O.A.T.
Oh oh. That certainly will upset the GOAT cart.
Carsomyr
Legend
His great success prior to the AO had come in large part (with the exception of Doha) at indoor events, which are quicker and less likely to expose his clearly declining footspeed.
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