Where can I buy an Unlocked Iphone 3GS

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I want to get a new phone, but i'm thinking of going the unlocked route because my dad is fed up with T-mobile and the contracts. He doesn't wanna be bound.

My cousin mentioned getting an old iPhone, like the 3G or 3GS, but I wonder, where can I get those?

And what's a fair price for a used one?

Any other suggestions are welcome for unlocked phones. Ideally, i'd like a touch phone with an actual slide out keyboard, like the Nokia C6, but good deals are great too :)
 

dr325i

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The iPhone is very easy to unlock as there is plenty of guidelines and SW available for a free (or very cheap) download.

I got one for my wife on E Bay, but would not pay any extra just because it is unlocked
 

mikeler

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I have a 3G one just laying around the house since my wife and I both have the new one. If you interested in buying it, e-mail me through the link under my username.
 

diredesire

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Don't pay a premium for the "unlocked" "version" of the phone. Just buy one, and learn how to jailbreak AND unlock it yourself. You WILL be jailbreaking it in the future, anyways. Might as well learn how to do it properly, and you'll save a huge premium in the process.

The 3G is a little limited right now, due to the 4.0/4.1 iOSes being incredibly slow, but the 4.2 release that is coming shortly is supposed to "fix" the slowness issues...
 

mikeler

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Don't pay a premium for the "unlocked" "version" of the phone. Just buy one, and learn how to jailbreak AND unlock it yourself. You WILL be jailbreaking it in the future, anyways. Might as well learn how to do it properly, and you'll save a huge premium in the process.

The 3G is a little limited right now, due to the 4.0/4.1 iOSes being incredibly slow, but the 4.2 release that is coming shortly is supposed to "fix" the slowness issues...



Actually the 4.1 fixed my sluggishness.
 
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Don't pay a premium for the "unlocked" "version" of the phone. Just buy one, and learn how to jailbreak AND unlock it yourself. You WILL be jailbreaking it in the future, anyways. Might as well learn how to do it properly, and you'll save a huge premium in the process.

The 3G is a little limited right now, due to the 4.0/4.1 iOSes being incredibly slow, but the 4.2 release that is coming shortly is supposed to "fix" the slowness issues...

How much do those go for? What are the odds of brickin my phone? And will I be able to update the software (i'm guessing no.)

I have a 3G one just laying around the house since my wife and I both have the new one. If you interested in buying it, e-mail me through the link under my username.

Sure, will do.

Also, any other nice phones out there you reccommend? Is it easy to unlock phones? Like I said, i'd prefer a keyboard phone, but if i'm getting it unlocked, I want a smartphone (crappy unlocked phones are just not worth it).

The main thing is that I don't wanna get a data plan. I'm 17, going to college, and will live the next 4 years of my life surrounded by WiFi. Why bother? It sucks that data is a requirement for T-mobile smartphones.
 

diredesire

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Actually the 4.1 fixed my sluggishness.
I wish I could say the same, 4.1 was an improvement, but 4.0 was so bad I ended up buying a 3GS, now my 3G sits, lonely, and neglected. If 4.2 is any good, maybe I'll sell it cheap to a friend, or something. Maybe use it for a non-phone application.

How much do those go for? What are the odds of brickin my phone? And will I be able to update the software (i'm guessing no.)



Sure, will do.

Also, any other nice phones out there you reccommend? Is it easy to unlock phones? Like I said, i'd prefer a keyboard phone, but if i'm getting it unlocked, I want a smartphone (crappy unlocked phones are just not worth it).

The main thing is that I don't wanna get a data plan. I'm 17, going to college, and will live the next 4 years of my life surrounded by WiFi. Why bother? It sucks that data is a requirement for T-mobile smartphones.

I'd say ~$250 for a 3GS is right around the median price you'll find. I've seen some go for as low as ~200, still see prices of ~350. It depends where you look, etc.

Odds of bricking your phone: depends on how well you research. Spend a day or two reading, read up on ways people screw up, and you'll cover 95% of your territory. The tools and utilities are pretty simple if you are going for a normal jailbreak, if you start adding specific functionalities, the risk goes up, but the ONE good thing about the iUsers is that there are a lot of them. I find that there is a lot of good info out there, but you have to sift through a lot of people that need spoonfeeding to find it. If you have a specific problem, you'll hate the qty of users, but if you are a general user, not doing anything PARTICULARLY crazy, you'll be A-OK. You're a smart guy..

Yes, you can update your software (firmware, iTunes), HOWEVER, you can't upgrade firmwares right as they're released. You need to wait until each firmware is jailbroken, if you don't, you risk losing your unlock (which for you will turn your phone into an ipod touch, until a new jailbreak/unlock is released), or you risk never being able to jailbreak again. This is extremely unlikely, though. Just wait until the iNews sites say it's ok, and then upgrade. Generally upgrades are very, very incremental anyways, so I wouldn't worry about it. The jailbreak team(s) [the most popular being the "dev team"] get the firmwares early via apple developer FWs (they get "gold master" firmwares [which are essentially production ready]) ahead of time so they can test their apps so they can update/release right after the updates are live.

There are TONS of nice phones out there right now, you can buy an android based phone and live a happy life, too. Windows Phone 7 is gaining a lot of traction right now, too, and they seem to be giving generous discounts to increase their market share. As far as unlocking: it depends on the platform and the popularity of the phone. Most smart phones have a pretty dedicated hack group, you just have to find the right places to look.

Also, any other nice phones out there you reccommend? Is it easy to unlock phones? Like I said, i'd prefer a keyboard phone, but if i'm getting it unlocked, I want a smartphone (crappy unlocked phones are just not worth it).

Data plans are crappy if you're stuck with them and you really can live without them, but they are also pretty invaluable when you need them. T-mobile data is pretty cheap, at least compared to ATT, so don't sweat it too much ;)
 

dParis

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Please help clear something up for this not-so-tech savvy iphone user...

I understand that with an "unlocked" phone you can choose other service providers besides AT&T, though there are some providers that are incompatible even with an unlocked iphone(?).

I am under the impression that a "jailbroken" phone allows you to load some apps that a non-jailbroken iphone can't. Is that all jailbreaking does? With something like 300,000 authorized apps available for the iphone, are there really enough great unauthorized apps to make jailbreaking worth it?

Also, I'm under the impression that when you upgrade the OS your phone is no longer jailbroken. What do you lose in such a case? Will upgrading the OS "re-lock" and unlocked phone?

Another phone that looks impressive is the Samsung Captivate (or Galaxy S). Those enhanced apps, or widgets, look pretty cool. Big display too. The DroidX looks pretty nice also. What do these phones use in place of itunes?
 

diredesire

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Please help clear something up for this not-so-tech savvy iphone user...

I understand that with an "unlocked" phone you can choose other service providers besides AT&T, though there are some providers that are incompatible even with an unlocked iphone(?).

I am under the impression that a "jailbroken" phone allows you to load some apps that a non-jailbroken iphone can't. Is that all jailbreaking does? With something like 300,000 authorized apps available for the iphone, are there really enough great unauthorized apps to make jailbreaking worth it?

Also, I'm under the impression that when you upgrade the OS your phone is no longer jailbroken. What do you lose in such a case? Will upgrading the OS "re-lock" and unlocked phone?

Another phone that looks impressive is the Samsung Captivate (or Galaxy S). Those enhanced apps, or widgets, look pretty cool. Big display too. The DroidX looks pretty nice also. What do these phones use in place of itunes?

There are different cell phone technologies in the US, the two biggest ones (as far as I know) are CDMA and GSM. CDMA is Verizon, Sprint; GSM is ATT/TMobile, Cricket (from what I've heard) actually supports both. If I missed any providers you're curious about, let me know.

An iPhone is a GSM (only) phone. As far as I know there are no phones that do both CDMA and GSM at the same time. There are android phones on both technologies. Thus (as of right now), iPhones will not run on verizon/Sprint. There are rumors of a Verizon iPhone, but nothing solid yet.

Jailbroken iPhones allow for apps that haven't been approved by ATT, yes, this is true, but it's better than you think. In Apple's closed ecosystem, they have a few blanket statements in their terms of service/app store that will ban certain apps. For instance, until recently, Google Voice apps were banned from the (official) app store. This is largely due to the fact that google voice replicates the texting functionality of a phone, and with mobile data, no text plan was needed (shafting ATT of money, obviously). This has changed recently, when they relaxed their policies a little bit, but there are other things that apple hasn't yet "gotten up to date on" (for instance, the full bluetooth stack, you have limited functionality with the apple provided bluetooth API).

Jail breaking also allows you to install unofficial themes, functionalities, utilities, etc. One example is "tethering." You're required (except on the 2G, after some "hacking") to have a data plan with your iPhone (on ATT). You can sign up for a plan with no data plan, but they will FORCE you on one if they ever find your device on a network audit (they do this several times a month. If you get lucky, you can get away without a data plan for a while, but they'll eventually cach you). Tethering is essentially using your phone as a mobile modem. You can hook your phone up to a laptop (via a USB data cable, or via bluetooth) and use the internet via your phone. This is very, very useful for business users, or people who want to have internet on the go, and don't want to deal with the limitations of a mobile device.

So yes, your summary of "all" a jailbreak does is half true, but there's a lot more to it. You can even install VNC clients (control your phone from your computer), software to turn your phone into a wifi hotspot (alternate form of tethering), and you can also download all the authorized apps for "free" (this is STRICTLY pirating, though, but I DO NOT condone this -- I'm just pointing it out for completeness). I'm not going to discuss that any further, as it is outside of the scope of this explanation, and any further details would be a violation of the board rules.

Yes, if you upgrade your OS (aka firmware), your phone will no longer be jailbroken. Jailbreaking is taking advantage of software exploits to allow access to the file system on your phone (in more or less words). These exploits are patched (obviously) by apple every software update, so when you upgrade, the dev team needs to find a new exploit in which to gain access to your phone. You may or may not lose an unlock, but you pretty much will certainly lose it. Jailbroken/custom firmwares will often leave the "baseband" (aka the radio firmware [radio here refers to the phone part of your phone]) untouched. Besides losing your jailbreak and unlock, every time you upgrade your phone (with a clean install, at least), you will lose your apps/saved data. It's kind of a pain in the butt, but there are ways around this (aka restoring from backup, but I pretty much never do this due to garbage settings/etc going from phone to phone...).
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
There are different cell phone technologies in the US, the two biggest ones (as far as I know) are CDMA and GSM. CDMA is Verizon, Sprint; GSM is ATT/TMobile, Cricket (from what I've heard) actually supports both. If I missed any providers you're curious about, let me know.

An iPhone is a GSM (only) phone. As far as I know there are no phones that do both CDMA and GSM at the same time. There are android phones on both technologies. Thus (as of right now), iPhones will not run on verizon/Sprint. There are rumors of a Verizon iPhone, but nothing solid yet.

Majority above is correct.
One correction is that there are World phones that support both -- CDMA and GSM (example: "The RIM BlackBerry 8830 connects to both CDMA and GSM networks", from CNET). I worked on other parts of the 8830, but yes, it does support both...
iDEN networks use another technology, but those are only applicable to Nextel
 

Dags

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I wish I could say the same, 4.1 was an improvement, but 4.0 was so bad I ended up buying a 3GS, now my 3G sits, lonely, and neglected. If 4.2 is any good, maybe I'll sell it cheap to a friend, or something. Maybe use it for a non-phone application.

4.0 practically killed my 3G, so I downgraded back to 3.1.3. As time goes on, the odd app doesn't work with it, but my phone works properly again. You don't need to jailbreak to downgrade: I followed the instructions here. The only issue I had was that you can't resync with a profile from a later OS, so I effectively wiped the data from my phone and had to start afresh.

It'd be nice if 4.2 fixed everything, but I won't be upgrading until I hear a lot of positive reviews.
 

Eph

Professional
Please help clear something up for this not-so-tech savvy iphone user...

I understand that with an "unlocked" phone you can choose other service providers besides AT&T, though there are some providers that are incompatible even with an unlocked iphone(?).

I am under the impression that a "jailbroken" phone allows you to load some apps that a non-jailbroken iphone can't. Is that all jailbreaking does? With something like 300,000 authorized apps available for the iphone, are there really enough great unauthorized apps to make jailbreaking worth it?

Also, I'm under the impression that when you upgrade the OS your phone is no longer jailbroken. What do you lose in such a case? Will upgrading the OS "re-lock" and unlocked phone?

Another phone that looks impressive is the Samsung Captivate (or Galaxy S). Those enhanced apps, or widgets, look pretty cool. Big display too. The DroidX looks pretty nice also. What do these phones use in place of itunes?

Hey,

This is the best way I can explain the process:

Jailbreaking allows you to have root (administrator) access to the phone. Basically, you can now do anything - if you know how to. In other words, if you download the right apps slash follow the right tutorials. One of the benefits of jailbreaking is being able to tether for free.

Unlocking lets you decide which carrier to have your phone on. Especially useful overseas when traveling - I don't find it useful in the USA, to be honest. All cell phone service sucks here. This isn't Europe where they actually have better cell phone providers and a real free market that lets customers decide which carriers die and which survive. Instead, in America, we have subsidies.

I hope that helps.
 
be careful... I would buy an unlocked one already because Apple releases a new Base Band every update and those base bands are not yet supported.
I had a friend who bought a 3G the guy restored it and now he has no clue when a new unlock is available.
 

diredesire

Adjunct Moderator
be careful... I would buy an unlocked one already because Apple releases a new Base Band every update and those base bands are not yet supported.
I had a friend who bought a 3G the guy restored it and now he has no clue when a new unlock is available.

This is exactly why I said it's a good reason to buy a locked phone and learn how to unlock it.

A) you understand what will and will not break an unlock
B) you understand the jailbreak process (and what it implies as far as functionality and usability)
C) You will quickly understand why it's a bad idea to restore, and you'll always have a custom IPSW backed up on your machine ;)
 

dParis

Hall of Fame
Thanks for the info, F and DD. I think I'll be alright keeping it on the straight and narrow.
 
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