Who have had the highest amount of ranking points ever?

Atennisone

Hall of Fame
Well I wondered. At the moment Federer has 10,105 and Nadal became world no. 1 when he reached 7,645 points. Djokovic ended 2015 season with 16,585 points. But like the header said, does anyone know what the biggest amount of ranking points has ever been? As far as I know the current point system was introduced in 2009, so it has to be from 2009. But does anyone know, or has an idea which could be it?
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic is the answer. Cannot remember whether the 16.585 was his maximum or not. Even when adjusted to the current system, Fed's 2006 numbers fell around 500 points or so short iirc.
To what extend McEnroe's 84, Borg's best seasons or Connors' 1974 would come close, I have no idea. I know that Rafa hasn't quite touched Fedovic' peak numbers, but he has been somewhat close,
Nadal had 14,960 ranking points when the 2009 French Open started. Federer had 10,470 ranking points at the same time.
from this old one on the same topic
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/record-for-highest-atp-points.341896/

@abmk might be able to be more precise.
 

Atennisone

Hall of Fame
Djokovic is the answer. Cannot remember whether the 16.585 was his maximum or not. Even when adjusted to the current system, Fed's 2006 numbers fell around 500 points or so short iirc.
@abmk might be able to be more precise.

Well I know he reached 16,790, and no one reach higher (understandable if not, it's sick to almost have 17k points)
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Novak held the record in January, 2016 with 16,790 ranking points, which is almost unbelievable. He secured it after beating Nadal in the Doha final. His dominance then was off the charts! Then he upped it by a few hundred more in the summer of 2016.
 

JackGates

Legend
Novak held the record in January, 2016 with 16,790 ranking points, which is almost unbelievable. He secured it after beating Nadal in the Doha final. His dominance then was off the charts! Then he upped it by a few hundred more in the summer of 2016.
Pretty impressive, even by Fed's standards.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
@Chanwan :

haven't really kept track of that.
But yeah, Djoko's in 16 should be the highest. With fed's 2006 being 2nd highest - falling short by a few hundred points or so.
I'm sure that's the case from 2000 onwards.
 

Rafa the King

Hall of Fame
A #1 player used to be able to hold a YE #1 with 5,000 points because Masters 1000's were then B05 and many top guys skipped them. Take a look at this chart:
http://www.tennis28.com/rankings/point_totals_year.html

Nope, that's just straight BS from your part. The rankings system changed in 2009 and before that a bit, those points would be different if calculated to the current points system. In no era would what 5k points is now, result to a number 1 ranking
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
Nope, that's just straight BS from your part. The rankings system changed in 2009 and before that a bit, those points would be different if calculated to the current points system. In no era would what 5k points is now, result to a number 1 ranking
I think you simply misunderstood him/her.
What's true is that prior to Fed, you could hold the YE no. 1. with anything from 7500-10000 in today's points. Rafa's YE no. 1 in 2017 is the lowest number of points since Roddick in 03.
A major reason for that is of course the homogenization of surfaces. The players of the 90's didn't go deep in every single tournament year round. Fed set that standard and Djokovic (and Rafa to a slightly lesser extent) followed.

OP, Fed's total YE. 2006 was 8360. Double that and he comes pretty close to Novak's max. Still think Novak got him beat but they were pretty close.
And @BeatlesFan is right in arguing Bo5 played a relevant role in this. If not for the Rome-final going to a 5th set TB, both Fed and Rafa would most likely have been playing Hamburg next and earning points doing so. Could be more instances in 2006, where it mattered, but can't be bothered to go through it.
 

Thundergod

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Nope, that's just straight BS from your part. The rankings system changed in 2009 and before that a bit, those points would be different if calculated to the current points system. In no era would what 5k points is now, result to a number 1 ranking
In about 5+ years this might be the case. Maybe not 5k, but under 7k.
 
Well I wondered. At the moment Federer has 10,105 and Nadal became world no. 1 when he reached 7,645 points. Djokovic ended 2015 season with 16,585 points. But like the header said, does anyone know what the biggest amount of ranking points has ever been? As far as I know the current point system was introduced in 2009, so it has to be from 2009. But does anyone know, or has an idea which could be it?

Quick Facts - highest amount of ranking points ever:

(A) Rod Laver 1969 was the best season ever - holder of all 4 Grad Slam in the same season and in an Era when all players could play (unlike 1962) and when all 4 Grand Salm were accounted as the apex of the sport (unlike 1938).

(B) Roger Federer recorded 90,5% of referential points at the end of 2006 season, the best year-end ATP Rankings points ever - official Rankings started in 1973.

(C) Novak Djokovic achieved the highest ever recorded ranking points at 91,6% of the referential BigTitles(14) maximum points available.

(D) By Era:
Pre-WWI: L.Doherty 1903.
Pre-WWII: B.Tilden 1921.
Pre-ATP-Rankings: R.Laver 1969.
ATP-Rankings: P.Sampras 1994.
Post-2000-Reform: Federer 2006
Post-2009-Reform: Djokovic 2015.

(E) Since 2000 patterned rankings:
Post 2000-Reform best year-end seasons as % of BigTitles(14) total points available:
#0 DJO - June 2016 - 91,6% - Highest amount of points (16,950/18,500) ever achieved, although not in the year-end calendar season.
#1 FED - 2006 - 90,5%
#2 DJO - 2015 - 89,6%
#3 FED - 2007 - 77,6%
#4 DJO - 2011 - 73,7%
#5 FED - 2005 - 72,7%
#6 NAD - 2008 - 72,2%
#7 NAD - 2013 - 70,4%
#8 DJO - 2012 - 69,8%
#9 FED - 2004 - 68,5%
#10 NAD - 2010 - 67,3%
#11 MUR- 2016 - 67,1%
#12 DJO - 2013 - 66,3% - Djokovic finished number 2 this year, representing the highest pointing ever achieved by a #2 ranked player.


The most axiomatic manner to access this information is standartize the variables. We can isolate 5 Eras in which it is possible to assert the best seasons according to different standards.

(1) Pre-WWI Era: That should go for some season from Decugis, Wilding, Larned, W.Renshaw, Sears and/or Doherty brothers (Lawrence and Reginald) in somewhen around 1890's~1910's. Olympic tennis was considered as a fairly respectable event at the time, since there were some restrictions towards foreigners in Slam tournaments. Hard assumption due tho the scarcity of sources. ---- Picking "L.Doherty's 1903" here.


(2) Pre-WWII Era: Prior to WWII Grand Slam were not that prestigious. Top players tended to go on head-to-head tours together, rather than play a Slam, which was rather a career/financial choice rather than anything else. For this period, "Fame" as an intangible variable (including h2h tours, titles, style) should give you the most accurate answer. Of course, one could argue in favor of other seasons from the 4 Mousquetaires (Lacoste, Borotra, Cochet, Brugnon) as well as Vincent Richards, Perry, Vines and also the obviously less praised Crawford, Nusslein and VonCramm. All debatable, but along with Tildens'21, i can only think of Budges'38 (All 4 Grand Slam Holder) as the greatest from this period, even though Australian Open was not even considered a straight Grad Slam at that time. ---- Voting for "Tilden's1921" (intangibles).


(3) Pre-ATP-Rankings Era*: An easier one. Although many great name popped up during this period, it is hard to escape from Lavers'62/69 and Panchos'56. ---- Going for "Laver 1969" - also as the greatest season ever in this sport.


(4) ATP Rankings Era: ATP Rankings began in 1973, but its regular standards were never fully patterned until the year 2000 (updated in 2009). Thus, it is wise to compare BigTitles (14) whenever comparing Open Era seasons because they are consistently similar : 4 Grand Slam, 9 "Master" major** events, 1 "Finals" top-ranked year-ending cup. During this period, 13 players have won 6 or more BigTitles(14) during their best career seasons: Connors(6), Borg(6), McEnroe(6), Lendl(6), Wilander(5), Edberg(4), Sampras(6), Agassi(4), Federer(8), Nadal(7), Djokovic(10), Murray(6). Whereas rankings were not fully comparable prior to 2000, it is not exaggerate to assume the best seasons of the Big3 were better than any other, BigTitles account for most of the ranking points and they are the only ones to overrun the 6 BigTitles barrier - placing debatable though. If analyzed data only from prior-2000 ranking system, than Pete Sampras 1994 would stand out.


(5) Post-2000 Rankings Reform Era: Most straight forward Era in terms of ranking points assertion. In order to equalize 2009's reform, we could axiomatically trace an hypothetical maximum (not empirical max though) ATP Ranking points as equal to all BigTitles summed, i.e.: all 4GS, all 9M1000, and the undefeated Finals would result in a referential standard of 18,500 pts in ATP Rankings tally or 100%. Same goes for pre-2009, when the 100% referential standard would be the equivalent of 9,250 pts. Under this criteria the best seasons were:

#0 DJO - June 2016 - 91,6%***

#1 FED - 2006 - 90,5%
#2 DJO - 2015 - 89,6%
#3 FED - 2007 - 77,6%
#4 DJO - 2011 - 73,7%
#5 FED - 2005 - 72,7%
#6 NAD - 2008 - 72,2%
#7 NAD - 2013 - 70,4%
#8 DJO - 2012 - 69,8%
#9 FED - 2004 - 68,5%
#10 NAD - 2017 - 67,3%
#11 MUR- 2016 - 67,1%
#12 DJO - 2013 - 66,3% - Djokovic finished number 2 this year, representing the highest pointing ever achieved by a #2 ranked player. Djoker has also the record for the highest #3 ever in 2008 - also the year in which Andy Murray reached the highest ever pointed #4 player at the end of the season.

***Nevertheless the record for highest points ever achieved was set in June 2016, when Novak Djokovic reached 16,950 pts (virtually 17k) or 91,6% of BigTitles referential standard.

**major - Simply meaning "bigger than other" events, and not strictu sensu Major/Slam.

*Pre-ATP-Rankings Era - I prefer to use this classification instead of the widely known Amateur/Open denomination because it is better stratified. If Open/Amateur Eras were to be used, without a doubt Laver's 1969 would easily overcome any other season, since he stands alone with his unparalleld Calendar Grand Slam.

BONUS: The closest margin between a #1 and a #2 was recorded in 2000, when Guga Kuerten surpassed Marat Safin by only 2% and on the last match of the season.
 
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Nope, that's just straight BS from your part. The rankings system changed in 2009 and before that a bit, those points would be different if calculated to the current points system. In no era would what 5k points is now, result to a number 1 ranking

Your statement is correct. 5k would represent ~27% of standard referential points (all BigTitles pts available). The lowest year-end #1 ranked since 2000 reforms was Kuerten in 2000 season - 45,4% or 4,195 pts.
 
Djokovic is the answer. Cannot remember whether the 16.585 was his maximum or not. Even when adjusted to the current system, Fed's 2006 numbers fell around 500 points or so short iirc.
To what extend McEnroe's 84, Borg's best seasons or Connors' 1974 would come close, I have no idea. I know that Rafa hasn't quite touched Fedovic' peak numbers, but he has been somewhat close,

from this old one on the same topic
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/record-for-highest-atp-points.341896/

@abmk might be able to be more precise.

Significantly higher than those seasons, yes. But those are among the Top10~20 best seasons in Rankings Era, definitely - haven't competed all shenanigans though. Nevertheless, i can mention by memory for sure at least 6 season with higher dominance than those from Jimmy-74/76, IceBorg-79/80, JohnMac-84:
Novaks - 2015, 2011;
Rogers - 2006, 2004;
Rafas - 2013
Laver - 1969

Ivans-85/86, Petes-1994/97 and Murrays-2016 would not surpass these aforementioned (Rafa,Djoker,Fed,Rod) but would definitely get close to those 5 (Borg, Connors, McEnroe).
 

Tenacity

Hall of Fame
Novak's 2015-2016 has to be the most dominant period in tennis history. In 2015 season he played finals of all the events he entered.
13 finals of elite events (Grand Slams, Masters 1000, ATP Finals). 10 elite titles won total. After that, Novak Slam came along, something that hasn't been done in 50 years, where one player held 4 Grand Slams at once across 3 surfaces (NCYGS).

Novak Djokovic was almost invincible from the start of 2015 up to Roland Garros in 2016.
He created history once again after winning the French Open (completing NCYGS) in 2016 when he amassed 16,950 points, the highest number of points in ATP history.

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Djokovic is the answer. Cannot remember whether the 16.585 was his maximum or not. Even when adjusted to the current system, Fed's 2006 numbers fell around 500 points or so short iirc.
To what extend McEnroe's 84, Borg's best seasons or Connors' 1974 would come close, I have no idea. I know that Rafa hasn't quite touched Fedovic' peak numbers, but he has been somewhat close,

from this old one on the same topic
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/record-for-highest-atp-points.341896/

@abmk might be able to be more precise.

Whatever happened to @abmk ? Haven't seen him here for some time. Missing his brilliant analysis of tennis topics.
 
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