Why don't players get how to warmup/rally?

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Deleted member 23235

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i will say, that due to this thread, and others like it, i've modified my warmup to only hit 1/2 pace balls (deep), until the other person starts initiating a faster pace... and as soon as they put away a ball (not a shank), i consider it "game on"... (unless i'm not ready, in which case i'll just keep hitting defensive lobs, and won't run down anything)
 

sredna42

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This is one of my pet hates and came up again today. Agreed to hit a few practice rallies with someone who couldn't serve due to injury. So I feed the ball down the middle, what I get in return is balls nailed into the corner, drop shots, winners hit flat onto the baseline, lobs when I come in to get dropshots and awkward balls with funky spins on them.

In some ways this is good practice, running around madly retrieving all this stuff. Eventually I lose patience and wack one of his balls passed him into the corner. At which point he complains that it was just practice and there is no way he could reach this. Really, with all the mad shots I have had to dig out?

He isn't the only person who does this. Our club is full of people who try to win warmups and practice hits. Which is a complete waste of time. So here is the tip. Warmups and practice hits are not about winning points, there are no points.

They are about warming up and practicing shots. If nobody wants to practice/warmup with you, you might well be the guy I described above.

Good chance they have no idea that what they are doing is in bad taste. The etiquette of the warm-up/order of procedure, should be communicated more often and more clearly. I had no clue when I was a beginner, I remember my friend raging and smashing the ball out of the courts into the street because I was hitting like a spastic to him in the warm up, I got it out of him many months later what he was sooking about like a baby, the numnuts should have just said something to me.

Also, beginners basically do not have the ability to hit casual rollers back to a spot over and over, so any semblance of a warm up/practice rally longer than 4 shots goes out the window with them anyway.

If they really are doing it on purpose, then say something. I had to say something to a hitting partner in practice the other week who would try to cane winners past me everytime I wanted to come in to get reps in on my volleys. Bloke was just caught up in his own world and lost sight of what it was we were doing, and was apologetic.

Another hitting partner I remember who used to do this, and at the time it was impossible to find anyone to hit with so I didn't want to just give him the middle finger, I took charge of the hitting sessions, and would set up cones or markers, and have drills to do (cc bh's, doubles alley rally, overheads, serve-1st strike, etc) rather than just wasting 2 or 3 hours of futile and pointless rallying with him.
 
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i'm all for kinds of practice sessions, but if i just ran down a ball, that landed outside the doubles alley, to keep the rally going, and the next shot is a cc winner into the opposite "open" court - and if someone is too stupid to realize that is neither practice nor cooperative... then it's obvious why that person sucks at tennis (because no good players will do that)

with all my normal hitting partners, the typical practice...
* first 10 min mini (cooperative!)
* 40 min... cooperative hitting from baseline (adding in volleys, oh)
* next 30 min... usually a baseline game of some sort (ie. "live" after the feed, no winners on the first shot) - and yeah, we both get to hit winners whenever.
* serve out tie breaks (or generally get in serve & return practice)

sounds like the way you practice is to start counting points without telling your partner... you know, to give yourself and edge to win...

Almost exactly like my practice sessions. I generally hit with very good players like 4.5-6.5 so it is never a problem with cooperative hitting.

My little trick when facing a new player that wants to go for winners, is to ask if he want to play a little game: “let try to keep the ball in play for 50 og 100 hits”. It can sometimes work, and can be fun to help and repair the other players shots, knowing he will do the same. Then later bump up the speed, but still keep all balls in play.

I am all in with r2473 mindset, but If this does not work, I simply let go. I dont want to be annoyed, and just practice at the other players “terms” and have a learning experience. But generally they are lower level players, that start to complain when the pace and placements goes up.
 
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competition is awesome practice. just tell me we're competing (vs. competition pretending to be coop)... maybe that's my problem...once you start hitting winners, i should just stop hitting to you cooperatively... hmmm. maybe that's how i need to handle folks that don't want to coop hit.

YES exactly, just let it go and play with the other players “rules”
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
Like this at 4:05?

Those guys did do a great job.

I'd suggest 2 more: the 'I used to be a top junior' guy - he reminds you every time you hit. Starts ripping balls immediately - and not always to you. And the 'Mallorca Wannabe' who can only hit a FH with gigantic top - but is so inconsistent that standing back doesn't work because he frames a lot that you have to hit on the 2nd bounce - and standing in means for the ones he does hit well you have to jump in and use a short swing to half volley back. He gets to work on 'his game'; you get nothing.
 

S&V-not_dead_yet

Talk Tennis Guru
Those guys did do a great job.

I'd suggest 2 more: the 'I used to be a top junior' guy - he reminds you every time you hit. Starts ripping balls immediately - and not always to you. And the 'Mallorca Wannabe' who can only hit a FH with gigantic top - but is so inconsistent that standing back doesn't work because he frames a lot that you have to hit on the 2nd bounce - and standing in means for the ones he does hit well you have to jump in and use a short swing to half volley back. He gets to work on 'his game'; you get nothing.

Here's the other one they did:

 
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