Explain to me where Henin violate any rule from the rule book. If you can't, then she's not a cheater. You don't make the rule. Now be quiet!
Why is Serena "fat"?
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Explain to me where Henin violate any rule from the rule book. If you can't, then she's not a cheater. You don't make the rule. Now be quiet!
babbette
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None of the top 4 ATP are Americans...does it stop the board being about them? Your reason=pants
plum556
Semi-Pro
Yeah..........that's exactly what I said.Re-read if necessary. Can you remove the brick you have between your ears for one day out of the year? My point.......dippity...doo...dah, was that TMF continues to refer to this incident as though MS was just an innocent bystander. You can stand on the top of Mount Everest and yell for all to hear and it is not going to change my opinion as you are entitled to keep yours.
Most of your posts are generally irrational and distasteful and I don't know how you have continued this long without being banned,trollericious.
Now continue to do what you do best...........STOP,DROP AND TROLL
heftylefty
Hall of Fame
where are the endless huge threads on people's intense hate for Henin?None of the Henin threads are to this extent.
As plum556 said, there might be numerous reasons why she's vastly hated but it is intensified because she is black.
Outside the Federer/Nadal debates, some of the longest thread revolve around Serena or the Williams sisters and why they suck; they are not the best (regardless of the numbers they have put up); they have bad attitudes (yes because they are the only players in the history of the sport that ever to display 'tude).
But if you read a post that calls them "thugs" "animals" especially gorilla, you should never question that person motivation. Now, I feel this is free forum that should not be restricted. But if you going to say stupid racist crap, don't whine when someone calls you out.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
atp is much more poular than the WTA. I know me saying this makes me a racist against women, but oh well.
fact is, serena is one of the most popular tennis players in the world (man or woman).
plum556
Semi-Pro
First of all I wasn't even referring to Henin,try reading....it is said to be fundamental. What? You just assumed I was talking about Henin because your blind fanatacism put you on automatic defense where Henin is concerned?
What rule are you talking about? Are you awake yet?
I'll be quiet when I get good and ready. You might fair better if you wake up,grow up and try to be a little more objective. This is my space for posting,I am not invading yours. I will continue to post in my space as long as I want. If you my posts are not to your liking,feel free to ignore.
Venus is mature, she handle an emotional situation much better Serena. It's more safer to hang around with Venus. She definitely has more respect than her sister.
Ok, you imply Sanchez cheated in 2009 FO.
Now prove to us where Sanchez cheated? You claim something that we expected you have fact behind it. Do your homework and if you can't come up with anything then be quiet!
plum556
Semi-Pro
Stop telling people to be quiet,that is disrespectful and uncalled for. I wish I could come through the net and grab you by your ear and wash your mouth out with soap.
Stop playing dumb........you now MS said a ball didn't hit her and it was shown on replay that it did. If this is not a good example of cheating then I don't know what is.
I think you are the one that needs to do your homework and while your at it be sure to bring the teacher an apple.
Topaz
Legend
A sure sign that the apocalypse is near!
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Here's to Guru, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjhDRs9Ab6E&feature=related
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
Actually Clijsters mentioned that Serena is one of the nicer girls in the locker room, and Kuznetsova and Wozniacki are also good friends w/ Serena.
http://www.gototennisblog.com/2010/...-rematch-back-at-bitter-defeat/#ixzz0trdhIUoF
Funny thing is Venus is looked at as less personable in the locker room from what I've heard over the years.
Arthuro
Semi-Pro
This is false. Clinically overweight differs from ethnic group and even within groups based on athleticism, and activity. Even now BMI is being challenged as an indicator of disease or predictor of disease in people.
If your argument is true, then it would suggest that certain Asian groups of people are simply unfit, because they are smaller and have less "muscle mass" vs. "fat" than the west. This is clearly false.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Arthuro
Semi-Pro
This is absolutely true. I was shocked or rather disgusted to say the least when I read how many threads compare Venus and Serena to animals, especially monkeys and ghetto thugs because they are from compton. I would think a tennis board would be more about tennis and not let racism like this be posted freely.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
My bad, meant to say recreational players. Many guys I know who play tennis will not watch the WTA period.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Rafa gets the tennis monkey treatment as well.
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
For the record, here's the Martinez Sanchez incident.
http://ballhype.com/video/serena_wi...williams_acuses_martinez_sanchez_of_cheating/
Reverse the roles and people would be asking for Serena to be suspended and banned for lying and cheating like MJMS obviously did here.
Where did I say the ball didn’t hit Sanchez? Whether it hit her or not, it’s up the umpire making the call. If the umpire missed the call, it’s not Sanchez fault. Serena can only blame the umpire for missing it. And umpire are all human…they make mistakes and it happened all the time. Serena has no right to take action in her hand. You don’t watch other sports and I can understand why you are so clueless!! Every sports referees make bad call all the time, the players don’t have to say anything, it’s part of the game. You got the concept of “cheating” all wrong!
Tanya
Hall of Fame
Congratulations, you have just increased your troll level. Really, defending Sanchez in an incident where she is clearly wrong? If it were anyone but Serena on the other side of the net you wouldn't have a thing to say about the subject. Perhaps it is the responsibility of the chair umpire to make the call, however if Sanchez had an iota of class she would have fessed up to cheating (yes, that's what it is when you break the rules - if the ball touches your skin you lose the point; the ball clearly hit her arm, therefore she should have lost the point, however she won the point and the game because she did not confess) and given Serena the point. For you to constantly be condemning Serena for her "classless" attitude it sure is fishy that you defend this blatant case of classlessness from Miss Sanchez.
Your act is getting so tired sweetie.
People just don’t know what to classify a cheater. Every players from other sports such as futbol, basketball, and football(American) are all cheaters too??? Referees makes mistake but players don’t ask them to overturn despite knowing exactly the ref make a mistake. Why should Sanchez be an exception? Because she’s playing against Serena? haha!
And Serena wouldn't say anything either had she was in Sanchez shoes. She certainly not going to be intimidated by a light weight Sanchez.
rovex
Legend
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/uploads/JoeHollon/2010-02-14_202320_KettleCallingPotBlack.jpg
Pot calling the kettle black!
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
What makes your conjecture more credible than mine?
You have to proof that she's a cheater in the rule book.
Your right, it's nonsense to if anyone's happened to be different from JBF. Wow!
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
What makes your conjecture more credible than mine?
You have to proof that she's a cheater in the rule book.
Your right, it's nonsense to if anyone's happened to be different from JBF. Wow!
Just answer this question, TMF: If the ball hit Serena and she refused to give her opponent the point, would you be singing the same "Everyone does it" card, or would you be screaming from the mountaintops about how Serena is horrible and should be fined and suspended immediately? I have to think it's the latter.
LOL, you have never been on a tennis court have you?
Trying to make points with hypotheticals again jbf?
Tanya
Hall of Fame
LOL, you have never seen a girl naked have you?
Why would I called Serena a cheater if the ball hit her. If I really want to blame on the player(getting hit by the ball) I would get on Gonzalez case during the match against Blake at the Olympic. But like I said, it’s part of the game. You don’t call cheat when it’s not in the rule book. Cheating would be like Rafa getting on court coaching, or surpassed the time limit between points. Those are in the rule book.
I know, it's a weak point. Just like Cesc did to me(but got his post deleted).
Answering a question with a question huh? I see your knowledge of the game is only rivaled by your conversationalist skills
plum556
Semi-Pro
There you go spewing your unsolicited garbage again. Not only do I watch many different sports,I also played three different sports at the Varsity level. I was a starter in all three. My daughter will be going off to college in about a month.....she has a full ride......compliments of her athletic skills and academic prowess. She also plays three different sports and could have gotten a scholarship for any of the three. My husband and I travelled all over the country for tournaments and were very involved in her development.
The bottom line is ............once again you put your foot in your mouth. You don't know me,so how do you fix your mouth to even utter such crap without having even the first clue.
Throwing in all your "red herring" will not change the facts. Try that crap on a 2nd grader. I believe all of us have at least taken Psych 101,so you need to go elsewhere to make that garbage you just posted wash. You and I both know I never said you made any mention about a ball hitting Sanchez and furthermore you know that was not the point being made.
I don't mind having a debate but now you are just playing games. I don't have time for that and definitely have no respect for it. At least be truthful to yourself. You are downright ridiculous. I see I can longer have any type of debate with you because when you are called on something, you make feeble attempts to twist and divert attention from the original subject.
I have no idea... but would not make that assumption. Those that take my mother's side are all a little weight challenged... it could be the same for Serena's family... if you compare Serena to Venus and her father to her mother. What I am saying though is you do have some control over it... and Serena chooses to be the person you are. My brother is making his choice by his eating, exercise habits and he is what he is because of it.
I would say NO... and if you truly believe this then you have some personal issues about racism.
I would not go as far to say popular... perhaps infamous...
Imagine how silly this country (i say country because racism is a business in america) would be if white people played the race card everyone someone said something negative about them.
TMF I agree with you... if the umpire missed the call there is nothing that can be done. It then becomes a question about the integrity of the player... Ken Flach had the same type of incident hang over his head, or players... like Agassiz not admitting to an out ball... that he knew was clearly in. But like you... I believe that there are people in place to enforce the rules of the game. Now in saying that I also believe in the integrity of the game... and if you know that the ruling is incorrect I would hope you would own up to it, but I don't expect you to.
Now in saying all of this... Serena is even a worse offender if we are speaking of having any integrity... her USO incident shows the true nature of who she is. People are going to argue "how can you make that call?".... easy if you do not you are cheating Clisjters... Serena suggested that she didn't footfault... I would argue she was in no position witness whether she did or not... per my earlier statement... the have people in place to enforce the rules. And finally what amazed me was how easily and comfortable she felt at attempting to intimidating a lines person. And how casual she was about it at the press conference like it was no big deal.
Lets not forget this was not her first issue of court rage that day... the reason she got defaulted was because this was her second incident giving Clisjters a penalty point.
I guess what I am trying to say is play the game... let those that you have accepted to apply the rules do their job.
If someone is trying to pop you, you arent gonna help them out. I dont think you will find any players disagreeing, well players who actually play competitively.
Serena just isnt very bright (kinda like blake vs gonzo) you dont aim high on the body because if your off sideways the ball is going deep.
Serena just isnt very bright (kinda like blake vs gonzo) you dont aim high on the body because if your off sideways the ball is going deep.
I think it depends who you are... I have seen players give up points.
On the other hand I have seen a pro golfer ask spectators to pickup and move a large boulder claiming it was a movable object. This just added to my lack of respect for him...
You would hope a competitor would correct an error.. but like I said I don't expect it.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Another spot on generalization in this thread:shock:
She's nearly as old as Halle
http://annaandsophia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/halle-berry-2.jpg
Because when you come up with this nonsense, it doesn’t sound like you’re paying attention to other sports except tennis....
Anyone watch other sports will know Sanchez incident is nothing to brag about. Bad calls will exist, and no matter what the players have to say or kept their mouth shut, the ref has the final answer. If not, why hire umpire/line judges to begin with. Just play the game and trust the players making all the call?
My point is that you are wrong about judging a cheater when you have little knowledge. Now stick to the point I made and stop adding irrelevant materials. You are so emotional I don’t know how your husband can withstand it.On a side note: Even the ref don't overrule his own call when he knew he made a mistake. Why? B/c of his ego and to save the embarrassing. Guess the ref is a cheater too.:shock:
Grass_for_cows
Semi-Pro
True nature as in someone who will get angry about an absurd call at a very important moment. But people made it out like she killed and devoured the lineswoman on the court. What made the incident worse and more revealing was the blatant double standard Serena was held to because A) she is black B) she is woman. McEnroe on the other hand puts on a show of getting angry at the linespeople during exhibitions to please the crowd.
Because it wasn't a big deal. There are tennis players who have exploded on the court, destroyed racquets, and spewed profanity. Serena is not alone. People get angry and emotional outside of the tennis court, too. People in customer service probably deal with much worse on a daily basis.
Let's not forget this was not the first time Serena has had to deal with bad calls, that she has dealt with adversity from officiating that at times reached levels of collusion or match fixing, and that the instant replay was instituted partly because of what happened to her before. She has played through all of this and dealt with it like a champion.
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