Why is the Nole Slam given so little credit around here?

[Deleted member 777746]

GOAT metrics are mentioned non-stop here, especially the Calendar Slam which is why so many Gurus and GOATs on this forum place Laver ahead of or on par with modern greats like the Big 3, Pete and Borg. These same posters then will laud on Fed's greatness for winning the Career Slam (all 4 slams at some point in his career). Yet said Gurus always conveniently forget about the Nole Slam when comparing their favorite against him in GOAT conversations. Instead we hear all about total slams, weeks at #1, or consecutive semi-final runs.

Novak Djokovic achieved a non-Calendar Grand slam, named the "Nole Slam" in 2016 when he won the French Open, after winning Wimbledon, the US Open, the Australian Open, prior. He was the first man to hold all 4 slams at the same time since Rod Laver in 1969. He is the only man to have won 4 slams in a row in a non-calendar year, which is why it is named the "Nole Slam" in the first place.

So how come we don't hear more about the Nole Slam from champions of the Calendar Slam and Career Slam? If you give the person with the greatest achievement credit, and the person with the far lesser achievement credit, surely the person with the second greatest achievement should be given his due?

Do you think there is a double standard?

 

[SinneGOAT]

@Nole Slam

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

We literally have a user named Nole Slam on here tho

 

[Deleted member 777746]

We literally have a user named Nole Slam on here tho

1 man does not a consensus make

 

[Deleted member 748597]

It's because I post rubbish daily so when people see my username, they choose to ignore Djokovic's greatest achievement.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

All I know we'd have heard plenty about it if Rog or Ralph did it, given how some members of their respective cults have been putting match wins above titles, and weeks in top 10 over weeks at number 1.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

1 man does not a consensus make

If you want a consensus you will be gravely disappointed by this website.

 

[Deleted member 777746]

If you want a consensus you will be gravely disappointed by this website.

not at all. For example, there is a consensus here that Fed is pretty backhand GOAT

 

[CYGS]

Because Fed fans are sore losers and jelly.

 

[Deleted member 777746]

It's because I post rubbish daily so when people see my username, they choose to ignore Djokovic's greatest achievement.

rubbish

 

[Poisoned Slice]

It's because I post rubbish daily so when people see my username, they choose to ignore Djokovic's greatest achievement.

 

[Deleted member 748597]

 

[AlexM]

We literally have a user named Nole Slam on here tho

yeah thats funny I see him a lot. or at least in the past two days... since I've joined lol

 

[Deleted member 777746]

Someone should do one of Feddy with his Career Slam, and then Nole laughing with George Lucas in the background

 

[Deleted member 748597]

 

[Slowtwitcher]

20>20>17

It's math.

 

[King No1e]

GOAT metrics are mentioned non-stop here, especially the Calendar Slam which is why so many Gurus and GOATs on this forum place Laver ahead of or on par with modern greats like the Big 3, Pete and Borg. These same posters then will laud on Fed's greatness for winning the Career Slam (all 4 slams at some point in his career). Yet said Gurus always conveniently forget about the Nole Slam when comparing their favorite against him in GOAT conversations. Instead we hear all about total slams, weeks at #1, or consecutive semi-final runs.

Novak Djokovic achieved a non-Calendar Grand slam, named the "Nole Slam" in 2016 when he won the French Open, after winning Wimbledon, the US Open, the Australian Open, prior. He was the first man to hold all 4 slams at the same time since Rod Laver in 1969. He is the only man to have won 4 slams in a row in a non-calendar year, which is why it is named the "Nole Slam" in the first place.

So how come we don't hear more about the Nole Slam from champions of the Calendar Slam and Career Slam? If you give the person with the greatest achievement credit, and the person with the far lesser achievement credit, surely the person with the second greatest achievement should be given his due?

Do you think there is a double standard?

Post approved!

 

[Deleted member 777746]

Post approved!

I knew I'd make it someday

 

[Deleted member 777746]

20>20>17

It's math.

4 in a row=4 at any time, ever?

 

[Winners or Errors]

4 in 1 year > 3 + offseason +1

I think that's why. Otherwise, instead of skipping the AO in December every year, Borg would have gone down, won in Australia, and then failed on the 4th tournament (US Open) rather than the 3rd (US Open) in the cycle.

It's still a great achievement, but it's not the same as doing it in a single season when it's split across two, which is why no man has done it in the Open Era. Djoker came the closest, and Fed really blew his chance in 2004 losing to Guga, and then basically lost the FO finals to Rafa for the next three years running, keeping him from winning all four in a single season.

 

[King No1e]

I knew I'd make it someday

The Djokobitch Brigade thanks you for your contribution and support for the Djoker.

 

[Deleted member 777746]

The Djokobitch Brigade thanks you for your contribution and support for the Djoker.

 

[clayqueen]

All I know we'd have heard plenty about it if Rog or Ralph did it, given how some members of their respective cults have been putting match wins above titles, and weeks in top 10 over weeks at number 1.

The one thing I don't lose sleep over is whether Rafa is the GOAT or not.

 

[CYGS]

4 in 1 year > 3 + offseason +1

I think that's why. Otherwise, instead of skipping the AO in December every year, Borg would have gone down, won in Australia, and then failed on the 4th tournament (US Open) rather than the 3rd (US Open) in the cycle.

It's still a great achievement, but it's not the same as doing it in a single season when it's split across two, which is why no man has done it in the Open Era. Djoker came the closest, and Fed really blew his chance in 2004 losing to Guga, and then basically lost the FO finals to Rafa for the next three years running, keeping him from winning all four in a single season.

CYGS has been achieved thrice (once in the Open Era by Laver - you are wrong) but Nole Slam has only been achieved once. It’s a rarer achievement and in theory more difficult to achieve (in the exact order). So you are wrong.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

He didn't face Wawrinka

 

[octogon]

Non-Calender Grand Slam is an overrated achievement to begin with.

One of the things that makes the Calender Grand Slam so special is the time frame and pressure it has to be achieved in. There is no break.

Non-Calender year grand slam, you have a whole off-season to rest and recuperate to try and complete it. Yeah, you still need to be a great player to do it, but achieving it in a single unbroken season is far more significant. The "Serena Slam" is overrated for the same reason, though it got more publicity than the Nole Slam.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

4 in 1 year > 3 + offseason +1

I think that's why. Otherwise, instead of skipping the AO in December every year, Borg would have gone down, won in Australia, and then failed on the 4th tournament (US Open) rather than the 3rd (US Open) in the cycle.

It's still a great achievement, but it's not the same as doing it in a single season when it's split across two, which is why no man has done it in the Open Era. Djoker came the closest, and Fed really blew his chance in 2004 losing to Guga, and then basically lost the FO finals to Rafa for the next three years running, keeping him from winning all four in a single season.

You made Rod Laver cry

 

[CYGS]

Non-Calender Grand Slam is an overrated achievement to begin with.

One of the things that makes the Calender Grand Slam so special is the time frame and pressure it has to be achieved in. There is no break.

Non-Calender year grand slam, you have a whole off-season to rest and recuperate to try and complete it. Yeah, you still need to be a great player to do it, but achieving it in a single unbroken season is far more significant. The "Serena Slam" is overrated for the same reason, though it got more publicity than the Nole Slam.

Explain why CYGS has been achieved thrice but Nole Slam (starts from W and ends with RG) has only been done once if it’s more difficult to achieve.

 

[octogon]

CYGS has been achieved thrice (once in the Open Era by Laver - you are wrong) but Nole Slam has only been achieved once. It’s a rarer achievement and in theory more difficult to achieve (in the exact order). So you are wrong.

Serena did the NCYGS on the women's side, and I don't consider it anywhere near the same as the CYGS.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

 

[CYGS]

Serena did the NCYGS on the women's side, and I don't consider it anywhere near the same as the CYGS.

Flawed logic. Your opinion matters zero and explains nothing why something that’s been achieved thrice in men’s tennis is more difficult than the one that’s only been achieved once. Fail.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

The one thing I don't lose sleep over is whether Rafa is the GOAT or not.

If only everyone looked at it the same way...

 

[octogon]

Explain why CYGS has been achieved thrice but Nole Slam (starts from W and ends with RG) has only been done once if it’s more difficult to achieve.

Maybe because nobody ever set out to win all 4 Grand slams consecutively, including an off-season. People only care about the CYGS. Something being done less doesn't make it harder. That's a ridiculous logic. It just often means no one was making any special attempt to do it. You can see with how little the Nole Slam is celebrated, why players don't bother.

 

[CYGS]

Maybe because nobody ever set out to win all 4 Grand slams consecutively, including an off-season. Something being done less doesn't make it harder. That's a ridiculous logic. It just often means no one was making any special attempt to do it. You can see with how little the Nole Slam is celebrated, why players don't bother.

That still doesn’t explain difference in the difficulty level. You only prove the saltiness of trolls but it’s a fact that Nole Slam is harder to achieve than CYGS in men’s tennis (1 time vs. 3 times) - it’s a rarer achievement and by definition things that are rarer are typically more difficult to achieve. Yours has zero logic.

 

[zipplock]

Flawed logic. Your opinion matters zero and explains nothing why something that’s been achieved thrice in men’s tennis is more difficult than the one that’s only been achieved once. Fail.

"Your opinion matters zero" hahahahahahahahaha.
Spoken like a true keyboard warrior!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[octogon]

That still doesn’t explain difference in the difficulty level. You only prove the saltiness of trolls but it’s a fact that Nole Slam is harder to achieve than CYGS in men’s tennis (1 time vs. 3 times)

Do you even realise how ridiculous you sound? LOL!

It's like saying Andy Murray winning 2 Olympic Singles Gold medals is less hard than him winning Olympic Singles Silver, because he did that ZERO times. Winning Silver is easier, but Murray never did it.

You literally don't have a clue about what you are talking about

 

[Slowtwitcher]

Maybe because nobody ever set out to win all 4 Grand slams consecutively, including an off-season. People only care about the CYGS. Something being done less doesn't make it harder. That's a ridiculous logic. It just often means no one was making any special attempt to do it. You can see with how little the Nole Slam is celebrated, why players don't bother.

There's no CYGS, that's just the GS.

 

[CYGS]

Do you even realise how ridiculous you sound? LOL!

It's like saying Andy Murray winning 2 Olympic Singles Gold medals is harder than him winning Olympic Singles Silver, because he did that ZERO times. Winning Silver is easier, but Murray never did it.

You literally don't have a clue about what you are talking about

That’s because there are many others who have silvers (plus they lose the final to win silver, which automatically makes your point moot). Who else won Nole Slam (W to RG, the exact order) other than Novak?

 

[NoleFam]

Explain why CYGS has been achieved thrice but Nole Slam (starts from W and ends with RG) has only been done once if it’s more difficult to achieve.

CYGS was done thrice and NCYGS was done twice (1st by Budge then Djokovic). They even did them in the same order but Budge went on to win the CYGS after that so his CYGS overshadows his 1st achievement. Still NCYGS was done the least betwen the two like you said.

 

[octogon]

That’s because there are many others who have silvers. Who else won Nole Slam (W to RG, the exact order) other than Novak?

A rarer achievement does not make it a greater achievement . Nadal and Federer have things only they have done, but unlike insecure Djokovic fans, they don't have to oversell it's importance.

 

[NatF]

Think it will be given more credit if Djokovic can edge closer in the slam count, for most of the media the total number of slams is still number one.

 

[Deleted member 777746]

Think it will be given more credit if Djokovic can edge closer in the slam count, for most of the media the total number of slams is still number one.

What's your take on its importance?

 

[NoleFam]

Non-Calender Grand Slam is an overrated achievement to begin with.

One of the things that makes the Calender Grand Slam so special is the time frame and pressure it has to be achieved in. There is no break.

Non-Calender year grand slam, you have a whole off-season to rest and recuperate to try and complete it. Yeah, you still need to be a great player to do it, but achieving it in a single unbroken season is far more significant. The "Serena Slam" is overrated for the same reason, though it got more publicity than the Nole Slam.

I guarantee you if Nadal had won it, you would be spamming this site like crazy. You do that when he wins online polls so I can only imagine. Yea it's overrated when the wrong guy did it.

 

[CYGS]

CYGS was done thrice and NCYGS was done twice (1st by Budge then Djokovic). They even did them in the same order but Budge went on to win the CYGS after that so his CYGS overshadows his 1st achievement. Still NCYGS was done the least betwen the two like you said.

Also Nole Slam is the only one done on three different surfaces and should be valued more highly than Laver’s.

 

[CYGS]

A rarer achievement does not make it a greater achievement . Nadal and Federer have things only they have done, but unlike insecure Djokovic fans, they don't have to oversell it's importance.

Didn’t explain why. Rarity is literally one definition for being more difficult. Educate yourself, genius.

PS: we are comparing CYGS vs Nole Slam. Bringing other things in the discussion doesn’t change the fact that Nole Slam is rarer and more difficult to achieve as evidenced by the reality (2 times vs 3 times)

 

[NoleFam]

Also Nole Slam is the only one done on three different surfaces and should be valued more highly than Laver’s.

Well Djokovic won it on 3 different surfaces and he won the ATP finals. That tournament didn't begin until 1970 though so Laver and Budge didn't have a chance to achieve that in CYGS years but still that's gonna be a hard 5 tournament run to top.

 

[Tennis_Freak99]

One may wonder if it's SO overrated, Why couldn't Fedal do it?

 

[E36BMWM3]

Cause nobody likes him

 

[NatF]

What's your take on its importance?

Don't know, better tiebreaker than h2h or number of masters titles I guess.

 

[octogon]

I guarantee you if Nadal had won it, you would be spamming this site like crazy. You do that when he wins online polls so I can only imagine. Yea it's overrated when the wrong guy did it.

Ummm. No.

Nadal just got 800 weeks in the the top 10. An achievement NOBODY in the history of tennis has ever done. I didn't even bother making any comment on it, let alone "spamming the site like crazy". Because I'm not an insecure fan who needs to tout every tennis achievement that only Nadal has like it's the second coming of Djesus Christ.

The ESPN Poll stood out to me, because it shows just how significant Nadal's stature is outside of tennis fans, which is something we do not get enough perspective on as tennis board. That is why I've brought it up on multiple occasions. But I don't bother "spamming" every significant tennis record only Nadal holds, because it's a waste of time. All the Big 3 have done things no one else has. When he has sole ownership of the slam record, expect me to spam that though.LOL!

 

[MeatTornado]

Realistic answer;

It's because we as a community are incapable of discussing anything one these guys does without comparing the achievement to the other 2. So if a Novak fan tries to talk about how amazing this is and how it's something he has over Federer, then Federer fans in turn are going to respond with the fact that he was only able to do it when Nadal wasn't an obstacle in Paris, otherwise Fed would have done it at least once in his prime as well. So then we're just left with a stalemate, both sides continue to feud with each other.